Virginia gerrymandering vote

[Primemuscle]

What was the underlying crime supporting the 34 felonies?

I voted for Trump twice you lying zombie.

And you sound like this guy.   

“I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes,” Allen wrote, apparently referring to the president.

WHCD suspect Cole Allen sent anti-Trump manifesto, wanted to take out officials: ‘The Friendly Federal Assassin’
By Steven Nelson and Chris Nesi
Published April 26, 2026
https://nypost.com/2026/04/26/us-news/whcd-gunman-cole-allen-sent-anti-trump-manifesto-to-family-just-before-opening/

Many people forget that folks are considered innocent until proven guilty... even when a lot of other folks think they are indeed guilty or they simply do not like someone and wish they would be found guilty of something. I admit that I am guilty of believing where there is smoke there is fire.

[chaos]

Tit for tat, looks like Florida is next.

[Dos Equis]

Many people forget that folks are considered innocent until proven guilty... even when a lot of other folks think they are indeed guilty or they simply do not like someone and wish they would be found guilty of something. I admit that I am guilty of believing where there is smoke there is fire.

I don't forget that.  I just know that the presumption of innocence applies to a courtroom, not a person's opinion.  Nothing wrong with forming an opinion before someone is actually convicted (unless you're sitting on a jury).  And as we saw with OJ, the system doesn't always get it right. 

I agree with the smoke/fire thing.  Things usually are as they appear to be, the simplest explanation is typically the best, etc.  But not always. 

[Primemuscle]

I don't forget that.  I just know that the presumption of innocence applies to a courtroom, not a person's opinion.  Nothing wrong with forming an opinion before someone is actually convicted (unless you're sitting on a jury).  And as we saw with OJ, the system doesn't always get it right. 

I agree with the smoke/fire thing.  Things usually are as they appear to be; the simplest explanation is typically the best, etc.  But not always.

People's opinions and perceptions greatly impact whether we think someone is guilty or innocent. Whether wrong or right, juries are made up of regular people, people who, like it or not, have opinions. Jurors are strictly instructed to keep an open mind and not form an opinion or discuss the case until all evidence, arguments, and instructions are presented. Not everyone follows those instructions even when they say or even believe they have. Human nature prevails.

As for smoke and fire, more smoke often means a bigger fire. How many fires does the average person face in their lifetime? Some folks are on the hot seat more than others. It is only natural to wonder why they are.

[Dos Equis]

People's opinions and perceptions greatly impact whether we think someone is guilty or innocent. Whether wrong or right, juries are made up of regular people, people who, like it or not, have opinions. Jurors are strictly instructed to keep an open mind and not form an opinion or discuss the case until all evidence, arguments, and instructions are presented. Not everyone follows those instructions even when they say or even believe they have. Human nature prevails.

As for smoke and fire, more smoke often means a bigger fire. How many fires does the average person face in their lifetime? Some folks are on the hot seat more than others. It is only natural to wonder why they are.

People who are not serving on a jury have no obligation to refrain from forming an opinion about someone's guilt or innocence. 

[Primemuscle]

People who are not serving on a jury have no obligation to refrain from forming an opinion about someone's guilt or innocence.

This is obvious. Did I say otherwise?

[Dos Equis]

This is obvious. Did I say otherwise?

I'm not sure what you're saying exactly, because you appear to be saying people should not have an opinion about someone's guilt or innocence before they are actually convicted.  If you're not saying that, then ok, I accept that.

[Primemuscle]

I'm not sure what you're saying exactly, because you appear to be saying people should not have an opinion about someone's guilt or innocence before they are actually convicted.  If you're not saying that, then ok, I accept that.

I was not saying that at all. In fact, I believe the reality is that the opposite is true. For as long as I can recall, people I know have (sometimes strong) opinions about pretty much everything, including someone's guilt or innocence. However, many people do not qualify their opinions. And yet, we do tend to justify them.

My opinions about Trump are influenced by my dislike of the man. And I disliked him long before he was a political figure.

[Dos Equis]

I was not saying that at all. In fact, I believe the reality is that the opposite is true. For as long as I can recall, people I know have (sometimes strong) opinions about pretty much everything, including someone's guilt or innocence. However, many people do not qualify their opinions. And yet, we do tend to justify them.

My opinions about Trump are influenced by my dislike of the man. And I disliked him long before he was a political figure.

I thought Trump was a clown when he first entered the race.  I despised him.  You can read my posts about him on the board.  But three things happened.  First, I did what Hillary Clinton lied and said we should do:  gave him an open mind and opportunity to lead.  Second, I realized I had been duped by the media by things like mocking a reporter's disability.  Third, I focused on what he actually did instead of what he said on social media.   

[illuminati]

Many people forget that folks are considered innocent until proven guilty... even when a lot of other folks think they are indeed guilty or they simply do not like someone and wish they would be found guilty of something. I admit that I am guilty of believing where there is smoke there is fire.

Oh yeah sure Except when it comes to Joe Biden  -  Hypocrite. 

[Primemuscle]

Oh yeah sure Except when it comes to Joe Biden  -  Hypocrite. 

There is nothing hypocritical about this. To repeat: Many people forget that folks are considered innocent until proven guilty.

[illuminati]

There is nothing hypocritical about this. To repeat: Many people forget that folks are considered innocent until proven guilty.

PLENTY OF SMOKE AROUND BIDEN - SO YOU BELIEVE THERE'S FIRE ?

[chaos]

Looks like Texas will get it's way. Florida next...tit for tat!

[Necrosis]

Tit for tat, looks like Florida is next.

You tards started it lol

didnt the dems introduce a bill blocking all gerrymandering but every repub voted no? I am pretty sure that happened.

[Necrosis]

I thought Trump was a clown when he first entered the race.  I despised him.  You can read my posts about him on the board.  But three things happened.  First, I did what Hillary Clinton lied and said we should do:  gave him an open mind and opportunity to lead.  Second, I realized I had been duped by the media by things like mocking a reporter's disability.  Third, I focused on what he actually did instead of what he said on social media.

You listened to him speak and thats what convinced you?

The man is banned from his home state wrt business is he not? lolol.

Trump is leading you into pure idiocracy.

[chaos]

You tards started it lol

didnt the dems introduce a bill blocking all gerrymandering but every repub voted no? I am pretty sure that happened.

Looks like they'll finish it too.

[Primemuscle]

I thought Trump was a clown when he first entered the race.  I despised him.  You can read my posts about him on the board.  But three things happened.  First, I did what Hillary Clinton lied and said we should do:  gave him an open mind and opportunity to lead.  Second, I realized I had been duped by the media by things like mocking a reporter's disability.  Third, I focused on what he actually did instead of what he said on social media.

In my opinion, your initial instincts about Trump were correct. Sometime in the future, you will have come full circle, because you will wake up to reality.

I am surprised that you listened to Hillary Clinton. During her concession speech on November 9, 2016, she said what was expected of her when she declared, "We owe him (Trump) an open mind and the chance to lead."
 
Are you still focused today on what Trump is doing? Have you not noticed that Trump eventually does much of what he posts on Truth Social and says to MSM. His posts are often more of a warning of what's to come -- from him.

There was a time when you and I agreed about Trump. I have hope that this happens again.

[LurkerNoMore]

What was the underlying crime supporting the 34 felonies?

I voted for Trump twice you lying zombie.

And you sound like this guy.   

“I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes,” Allen wrote, apparently referring to the president.

WHCD suspect Cole Allen sent anti-Trump manifesto, wanted to take out officials: ‘The Friendly Federal Assassin’
By Steven Nelson and Chris Nesi
Published April 26, 2026
https://nypost.com/2026/04/26/us-news/whcd-gunman-cole-allen-sent-anti-trump-manifesto-to-family-just-before-opening/

For falsifying business records.  And you only voted twice?  Stay home with a tummy ache during one of the elections?  Must be why you are kissing his ass extra hard now to make up for that one time.

[illuminati]

In my opinion, your initial instincts about Trump were correct. Sometime in the future, you will have come full circle, because you will wake up to reality.

I am surprised that you listened to Hillary Clinton. During her concession speech on November 9, 2016, she said what was expected of her when she declared, "We owe him (Trump) an open mind and the chance to lead."
 
Are you still focused today on what Trump is doing? Have you not noticed that Trump eventually does much of what he posts on Truth Social and says to MSM. His posts are often more of a warning of what's to come -- from him.

There was a time when you and I agreed about Trump. I have hope that this happens again.

Did she say that after her Giant tantrum & smashing everything she could & running away from
Addressing her supporters on the Night.
Just left them waiting - Hideous Slag - America Dodged a bullet that night.

[Primemuscle]

Did she say that after her Giant tantrum & smashing everything she could & running away from
Addressing her supporters on the Night.
Just left them waiting - Hideous Slag - America Dodged a bullet that night.

Ask Dos Equis. He is who brought Hillary's comments up.

[chaos]

For falsifying business records.  And you only voted twice?  Stay home with a tummy ache during one of the elections?  Must be why you are kissing his ass extra hard now to make up for that one time.

Maybe you should read the thread, LurkingforBOYS

[Dos Equis]

You listened to him speak and thats what convinced you?

The man is banned from his home state wrt business is he not? lolol.

Trump is leading you into pure idiocracy.

Here is what I said:

I thought Trump was a clown when he first entered the race.  I despised him.  You can read my posts about him on the board.  But three things happened.  First, I did what Hillary Clinton lied and said we should do:  gave him an open mind and opportunity to lead.  Second, I realized I had been duped by the media by things like mocking a reporter's disability.  Third, I focused on what he actually did instead of what he said on social media.

Your reading comprehension sucks.

[Dos Equis]

For falsifying business records.

And how do you know this when the jury was not required to find that he falsified business records?

Here is a little help:

Judge Merchan issued legally incorrect jury instructions
• Judge Merchan instructed the jurors that they “need not be unanimous as to
what those unlawful means were.”2
• Judge Merchan provided the jury with three options of “unlawful means”: a
violation of Federal election law, violation of tax law, or falsification of records.
• Under these instructions, the jury was not required to agree on the underlying
crime Trump committed. It could have been split 4-4-4 among the three vague,
distinct options provided by the judge.
• The jury was ultimately only unanimous with respect to half of the elements.
• The underlying crime and the jurors’ agreement on it remain entirely unknown.

https://aflegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Merged-One-Pagers.pdf

[Dos Equis]

For falsifying business records.  And you only voted twice?  Stay home with a tummy ache during one of the elections?  Must be why you are kissing his ass extra hard now to make up for that one time.

I voted for Trump twice.  I didn't only vote twice, you lying zombie.  Wait.  Are you just outright lying, or do you just not understand what I said? 

[Humble Narcissist]

I voted for Trump twice.  I didn't only vote twice, you lying zombie.  Wait.  Are you just outright lying, or do you just not understand what I said?

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