NYC Grocery stores

[Coach is Back!]

For my liberal friends who thinks that Commie Mamdani lowering groceries in NYC government ran grocery stores is a good thing might want to take a remedial class in HS Freshman economics 101.

[ProudVirgin69]

*fartz*

[NaturalWonder83]

Bodega Cats

[MajorDomo]

*fartz*

We expected no less from you, lol

[deadz]

The stupidity of the New Idiots who voted him in still amazes me. Obviously an abundance of very sick people in this Country.

[Dave D]

Soon enough It won’t matter . AI will make sure we all have an abundance of life’s necessities!

[Humble Narcissist]

Soon enough It won’t matter . AI will make sure we all have an abundance of life’s necessities!

It will even spoon feed us.

[loco]

[ProudVirgin69]

We expected no less from you, lol

It’s about the same effort as Coach put into this thread.  Feel free to make some actual claims and I’ll address them

[Grape Ape]

I read that a coalition of bodega owners are suing the city for unfair practices, arguing that Mamdani's markets would be operating under unfair trade practices....or something like that.

[Irongrip400]

I read that a coalition of bodega owners are suing the city for unfair practices, arguing that Mamdani's markets would be operating under unfair trade practices....or something like that.

Reminds me of the warden in Shawshank Redemption. That contractor comes to him and says “your free labor is undercutting me on all these projects” or something like that. Then he slips him a pie with cash in it, and thus the corruption begins. I’d imagine there will be some pissed off store owners about this. Mamdani is a shit show, and while people may be in love with him now, what he’s doing is seriously dangerous for our future economy.

[Lartinos]

I don’t trust food coming from the government.

There isn’t even any accountability at USPS and this would actually be totally government run.

[Grape Ape]

Reminds me of the warden in Shawshank Redemption. That contractor comes to him and says “your free labor is undercutting me on all these projects” or something like that. Then he slips him a pie with cash in it, and thus the corruption begins. I’d imagine there will be some pissed off store owners about this. Mamdani is a shit show, and while people may be in love with him now, what he’s doing is seriously dangerous for our future economy.

That's a good analogy (nh).

[mphgrove]

I am not 100% against this, may not work out but worth an experiment. The grocery industry has pulled out of huge swaths of the American cityscape leaving few food options for many, many residents. Encouraging the industry from the bully pulpit is the best option but that has not worked. I used to work in one of those neighborhoods and saw first hand the progressive pull-outs by the large corporations. I would not have voted for him (law enforcement, immigration, Israel, etc.) but I am not against some of his “financial” experiments. For example, Ken Griffen can certainly afford to pay a few more property tax dollars on his highest price condo ever purchased in NYC on Central Park.

[Grape Ape]

I am not 100% against this, may not work out but worth an experiment. The grocery industry has pulled out of huge swaths of the American cityscape leaving few food options for many, many residents. Encouraging the industry from the bully pulpit is the best option but that has not worked. I used to work in one of those neighborhoods and saw first hand the progressive pull-outs by the large corporations. I would not have voted for him (law enforcement, immigration, Israel, etc.) but I am not against some of his “financial” experiments. For example, Ken Griffen can certainly afford to pay a few more property tax dollars on his highest price condo ever purchased in NYC on Central Park.

Just because they can, doesn't mean it's right.

And him gloating about it in front of the man's place, and sending out lists of other folks publicly is awful.

[Humble Narcissist]

I am not 100% against this, may not work out but worth an experiment. The grocery industry has pulled out of huge swaths of the American cityscape leaving few food options for many, many residents. Encouraging the industry from the bully pulpit is the best option but that has not worked. I used to work in one of those neighborhoods and saw first hand the progressive pull-outs by the large corporations. I would not have voted for him (law enforcement, immigration, Israel, etc.) but I am not against some of his “financial” experiments. For example, Ken Griffen can certainly afford to pay a few more property tax dollars on his highest price condo ever purchased in NYC on Central Park.

Why did the corporations pull out of those areas?

[mphgrove]

Low margins, crime, shrinkage, management issues. I am not questioning the logic of profitability and closure from a pure capitalist perspective. But where does that leave the grandmother taking care of grandkids and needing reasonably priced groceries? Maybe that question gives a feel for my perspective here. And doing NOTHING is what is driving many of the younger generation to a more severe type of “socialism”.

[Humble Narcissist]

Low margins, crime, shrinkage, management issues. I am not questioning the logic of profitability and closure from a pure capitalist perspective. But where does that leave the grandmother taking care of grandkids and needing reasonably priced groceries? Maybe that question gives a feel for my perspective here. And doing NOTHING is what is driving many of the younger generation to a more severe type of “socialism”.

A grocery chain isn't going to offer fresh, healthy food if no one is going to buy it.

[Coach is Back!]

Low margins, crime, shrinkage, management issues. I am not questioning the logic of profitability and closure from a pure capitalist perspective. But where does that leave the grandmother taking care of grandkids and needing reasonably priced groceries? Maybe that question gives a feel for my perspective here. And doing NOTHING is what is driving many of the younger generation to a more severe type of “socialism”.

Exactly what he’s doing is how communism started. Lower prices so much that it squeezes out smaller businesses who that can’t compete as well as privately held grocery stores who also can’t compete. Once that happens the government comes in takes over. It’s cost control. It’s also what potato IQ Harris ran on in 24’

[GymnJuice]

I am not 100% against this, may not work out but worth an experiment. The grocery industry has pulled out of huge swaths of the American cityscape leaving few food options for many, many residents. Encouraging the industry from the bully pulpit is the best option but that has not worked. I used to work in one of those neighborhoods and saw first hand the progressive pull-outs by the large corporations. I would not have voted for him (law enforcement, immigration, Israel, etc.) but I am not against some of his “financial” experiments. For example, Ken Griffen can certainly afford to pay a few more property tax dollars on his highest price condo ever purchased in NYC on Central Park.

He can afford it, no doubt. But I’ve always believed government works best when the people keep a close eye on it. When only a few shoulder most of the tax burden that oversight weakens. People don’t care as much about how money is spent when it’s someone else’s money. A flat tax is a pipe dream, but it would give everyone an equal stake in watching how government money is used.

[mphgrove]

Exactly what he’s doing is how communism started. Lower prices so much that it squeezes out smaller businesses who that can’t compete as well as privately held grocery stores who also can’t compete. Once that happens the government comes in takes over. It’s cost control. It’s also what potato IQ Harris ran on in 24’

So just let the oligarchs get richer and richer and the middle class (our children) get poorer and poorer. There are risks with government involvement (especially our own inefficient governments in USA) but a balance has been struck in many other nations that is working either somewhat or well. I go back to “capitalism with guardrails”. You think there is no such thing. I think there is.

[Grape Ape]

So just let the oligarchs get richer and richer and the middle class (our children) get poorer and poorer. There are risks with government involvement (especially our own inefficient governments in USA) but a balance has been struck in many other nations that is working either somewhat or well. I go back to “capitalism with guardrails”. You think there is no such thing. I think there is.

The problem is at what point does it stop?  The lion's share of taxes are paid by the rich as is.  And they will always find ways to maximize their $, which could include getting the fuck out of NY, which will create more problems.

I completely understand the challenges new entrants into the workforce face.  And I completely understand how the youth can gravitate to socialism if they aren't able to afford a house, etc......but I also feel strongly that giving the gov't more money won't solve a damn thing.

[mphgrove]

The problem is at what point does it stop?  The lion's share of taxes are paid by the rich as is.  And they will always find ways to maximize their $, which could include getting the fuck out of NY, which will create more problems.

I completely understand the challenges new entrants into the workforce face.  And I completely understand how the youth can gravitate to socialism if they aren't able to afford a house, etc......but I also feel strongly that giving the gov't more money won't solve a damn thing.

Philosophical economic arguments. I don’t guess there is an easy right or wrong. If it tips too far, “communism/socialism” certainly is a disaster. But there is another side: fairness and equity when income inequality is extreme based on how you were born, as in so many nations on the planet, I lean to that side.

[chaos]

So just let the oligarchs get richer and richer and the middle class (our children) get poorer and poorer.

What happens in communism and socialism?

[Van_Bilderass]

I just can't resist. Conservatives, are you surprised? Coach, are you surprised?