Author Topic: A serious question for Jay Cutler (Read 6393 times)

LuciusFox · « **Reply #25 on:** May 08, 2006, 02:01:32 PM »

Quote from: Big Poppa J on May 08, 2006, 11:48:56 AM

240 - HE CHEATED! How can anyone still argue that Jay won in 2001 when he took diuretics? His conditioning was the best in the show BECUASE HE TOOK DIURETICS. That's the only reason anyone says he had a chance of beating Big Ron. Fact is, Ronnie outmuscled him and utterly RAPED Jay from the back. I respect Jay and appreciate his physique but that doesnt mean he ever beat Coleman or ever will . . .

Great point! It's often ignored.

pumphard · « **Reply #26 on:** May 08, 2006, 02:03:17 PM »

What are u trying to say that others didn't take it, they just didn't get caught. Just like Ben Johnson in the 1988 Olympics, he was just the dummy that got caught.

delta9mda · « **Reply #27 on:** May 08, 2006, 02:10:23 PM »

Quote from: Big Poppa J on May 08, 2006, 11:48:56 AM

240 - HE CHEATED! How can anyone still argue that Jay won in 2001 when he took diuretics? His conditioning was the best in the show BECUASE HE TOOK DIURETICS. That's the only reason anyone says he had a chance of beating Big Ron. Fact is, Ronnie outmuscled him and utterly RAPED Jay from the back. I respect Jay and appreciate his physique but that doesnt mean he ever beat Coleman or ever will . . .

hahahaha "he cheated". get it right it is more like he tested positive (got caught, so the magazines say). do you think jay was the only one there that may or may not have been using diuretics. i wasnt there and i didnt handle the samples for testing so i have no idea what is up. if a bb'r tested + for roids would you say "he cheated!".

LuciusFox · « **Reply #28 on:** May 08, 2006, 02:13:54 PM »

Quote from: pumphard on May 08, 2006, 02:03:17 PM

What are u trying to say that others didn't take it, they just didn't get caught. Just like Ben Johnson in the 1988 Olympics, he was just the dummy that got caught.

That's true, but it is still against the rules and he got away with it.

Tigerman · « **Reply #29 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:15:53 PM »

Quote from: delta9mda on May 08, 2006, 02:10:23 PM

hahahaha "he cheated". get it right it is more like he tested positive (got caught, so the magazines say). do you think jay was the only one there that may or may not have been using diuretics. i wasnt there and i didnt handle the samples for testing so i have no idea what is up. if a bb'r tested + for roids would you say "he cheated!".

I can't claim that nobody but Jay was using diuretics, but probably they just reduced their dosages. Otherwise I can't explain why so many competitors were soft that year, including Ronnie (never in 15 years he has been seen holding that much water)...

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:18:14 PM »

Quote from: Tigerman on May 08, 2006, 05:15:53 PM

I can't claim that nobody but Jay was using diuretics, but probably they just reduced their dosages. Otherwise I can't explain why so many competitors were soft that year, including Ronnie (never in 15 years he has been seen holding that much water)...

I don't believe everyone was tested.

ARMZ · « **Reply #31 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:19:19 PM »

Quote from: Scimowser on May 08, 2006, 11:27:49 AM

Lets say that Ronnie suffers an injury this year which forces him to retire, or he simply opts to quit for whatever reason. You go to the Olympia and win it, finally getting your overdue Sandow. How would you feel?

Not in the sense of winning the competition, but winning it without Ronnie competing? Do you think you would accept the trophy with as much joy as you would if Ronnie was announced 2nd instead of absent.

Would you be able to accept that from the judges point of view, you just couldnt beat him?

Let's remember, Ronnie had it the same way in '98.. Ronnie never beat Dorian...

thisiskeith12 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:21:05 PM »

Quote from: ARMZ on May 08, 2006, 05:19:19 PM

Let's remember, Ronnie had it the same way in '98.. Ronnie never beat Dorian...

Great point!

phyxsius · « **Reply #33 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:23:27 PM »

Quote from: ARMZ on May 08, 2006, 05:19:19 PM

Let's remember, Ronnie had it the same way in '98.. Ronnie never beat Dorian...

I can sense ND and Hulkster will bring their gay debate in this thread..

LuciusFox · « **Reply #34 on:** May 08, 2006, 05:55:03 PM »

Quote from: ARMZ on May 08, 2006, 05:19:19 PM

Let's remember, Ronnie had it the same way in '98.. Ronnie never beat Dorian...

Dorian never beat Haney

Scimowser · « **Reply #35 on:** May 09, 2006, 02:06:16 AM »

i know about the Haney/Yates/Coleman situation, thats why i am so keen to see what Jay's opinion is on the matter. He has all the tools to beat Ronnie except for an unbiased judging system (his back width and thickness is incredible, hes catching ronnie up), but he is running out of time to get the shot against him he needs. If Ronnie retires then people will forever say Jay COULDNT beat him plain and simple. If he does beat him in the next 2 years then some might actually start saying crap like "oh Ronnies over the hill, passed his best" blah blah blah.

nicorulez · « **Reply #36 on:** May 09, 2006, 05:34:09 AM »

Jay would never beat Ronnie when Ronnie is in shape. Big Ron has a better chest, back, glutes, quads, hams, and arms (easily). Jay has equivalent delts and better calves. His abs aren't even much better lately as he has developed some GH bloat also. In the end, Ronnie is harder and more vascular. His density is much greater. Jay is great, but he better watch out for the next wave of guys. Ronnie is the Mr. O till he retires. Big Poppa J is right on with his assessment.

bestposer1 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 09, 2006, 07:15:49 AM »

Quote from: ARMZ on May 08, 2006, 05:19:19 PM

Let's remember, Ronnie had it the same way in '98.. Ronnie never beat Dorian...

But also remember this...Ronnie was never Dorian's top rival, Flex was. Ron was ninth in '97

The Ugly · « **Reply #38 on:** May 09, 2006, 07:18:23 AM »

I don't think Jay's gonna respond.

Scimowser · « **Reply #39 on:** May 09, 2006, 09:02:14 AM »

i beg to differ. Ronnie has a droopy chest, his abs are shite when you can see them, who cares about a rippes arse, his legs arent of Jays standard/class (theyre bigger but not better)

He has Jay on arms, back, Xframe and size but jay has better legs, abs, equal delts and can bring in a different package every contest

LuciusFox · « **Reply #40 on:** May 09, 2006, 02:09:51 PM »

Quote from: Scimowser on May 09, 2006, 09:02:14 AM

i beg to differ. Ronnie has a droopy chest, his abs are shite when you can see them, who cares about a rippes arse, his legs arent of Jays standard/class (theyre bigger but not better)

He has Jay on arms, back, Xframe and size but jay has better legs, abs, equal delts and can bring in a different package every contest

Jay doesn't quite have the detail $:-\$

WOOO · « **Reply #41 on:** May 09, 2006, 02:10:26 PM »

Quote from: LuciusFox on May 09, 2006, 02:09:51 PM

Jay doesn't quite have the detail $:-\$

He is still lacking from the back... but if he comes in dry, look out!

hipolito mejia · « **Reply #42 on:** May 09, 2006, 02:14:04 PM »

Quote from: hillbilly on May 08, 2006, 11:43:43 AM

ok Ronnie was older than Jay when he took his first O!

But his chin wasn't touching the floor either!

Jay Cutler · « **Reply #43 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:08:39 PM »

I will go for @ least 3 more yrs, I will be 35 then, its about being the best for me and will do what I need to do to get there, but stay healthy doing so... I am not tapped out yet guys, trust me. I have a lot to give to the bodybuilding world still. Thanks for the support.

bigbalddaddy · « **Reply #44 on:** May 10, 2006, 09:20:19 PM »

Quote from: Jay Cutler on May 10, 2006, 09:08:39 PM

I will go for @ least 3 more yrs, I will be 35 then, its about being the best for me and will do what I need to do to get there, but stay healthy doing so... I am not tapped out yet guys, trust me. I have a lot to give to the bodybuilding world still. Thanks for the support.

Great attitude bro!!! That's what your fans need to hear! I think 3 years is a little short compared to how long people are going but only you can make that call. Till then rock on, c-ya @ Golds!

castor troy · « **Reply #45 on:** May 10, 2006, 10:19:03 PM »

Hello Jay Cutler, on the bodybuilding radio you mentioned some packaged whole food called abulous or abulus?? I was wondering if it tastes good and where I can get them, Thanks.

240 is Back · « **Reply #46 on:** May 10, 2006, 10:22:42 PM »

Quote from: castor troy on May 10, 2006, 10:19:03 PM

Hello Jay Cutler, on the bodybuilding radio you mentioned some packaged whole food called abulous or abulus?? I was wondering if it tastes good and where I can get them, Thanks.

dude, you have the coolest name in getbig history. congrats!

Scimowser · « **Reply #47 on:** May 10, 2006, 11:51:55 PM »

people always question jays back. Sure he lacks detail for his level and its not crispy dry, but his whole package is incredible. The Ronnie fanatics are always eager to point out Jays weaknesses when its clearly evident the great man has plenty of his own. If he was viewed through neutral eyes then it would be different.

Thanks for the answer Jay. It is much appreciated

LuciusFox · « **Reply #48 on:** May 11, 2006, 03:49:24 AM »

Quote from: Scimowser on May 10, 2006, 11:51:55 PM

people always question jays back. Sure he lacks detail for his level and its not crispy dry, but his whole package is incredible. The Ronnie fanatics are always eager to point out Jays weaknesses when its clearly evident the great man has plenty of his own. If he was viewed through neutral eyes then it would be different.

Thanks for the answer Jay. It is much appreciated

I don't think Jay has Ronnie's back detail, but I think he has more width.

The Ugly · « **Reply #49 on:** May 11, 2006, 07:09:02 AM »

Quote from: Jay Cutler on May 10, 2006, 09:08:39 PM

I will go for @ least 3 more yrs, I will be 35 then, its about being the best for me and will do what I need to do to get there, but stay healthy doing so... I am not tapped out yet guys, trust me. I have a lot to give to the bodybuilding world still. Thanks for the support.

That's it?

Man. Gypped.

Author Topic: A serious question for Jay Cutler (Read 6393 times)

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