Lance Dreher

[MajorDomo]

Maybe this has been posted before but it just came across my YouTube feed. I was always impressed by Lance - he was built like a tank

[funk51]

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[funk51]

  Dreher, LanceBorn December 31, 1954Height 5'8" [image]

Contest History

1974
Teen Mr America - AAU 4th

1976
Collegiate Mr America - AAU Winner

1977
Mr America - AAU Medium, 9th

1980
Mr America - AAU HeavyWeight, 3rd

1981
Gold's Classic - NPC HeavyWeight, 3rd
Mr America - AAU HeavyWeight, 1st
World Amateur Championships - IFBB Overall Winner
World Amateur Championships - IFBB HeavyWeight, 1st

1982
Olympia - IFBB 15th

1983
Olympia - IFBB 15th

1984
Universe - Pro - NABBA 3rd
World Championships - WABBA Professional, 3rd

1985
Universe - Pro - NABBA 3rd
World Championships - WABBA Professional, 5th

1986
Universe - Pro - NABBA Winner

1988
Chicago Pro Championships - IFBB 6th

1989
Arnold Classic - IFBB 9th

1991
Musclefest Grand Prix - IFBB 15th

1992
Chicago Pro Championships - IFBB 19th

Magazine Covers

Feburary 1982
Issue 97
Muscle Training Illustrated

May 1982
Issue 29
Muscle Mag International

January 1983
Issue 104
Muscle Training Illustrated

July 1983
Vol 5, Num 17
Muscle & Bodybuilder

September 1983

Health and Strength

September 1983
Vol 42, Num 6
IronMan

June 1984
Vol 21, Num 3
Muscular Development

July 1985
Vol 44, Num 5
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[IroNat]

Darn good bodybuilder in his day.

He's still kicking on youtube.

[Van_Bilderass]

I'm an absolute supp/drug nerd and remembered this little thing, perhaps uninteresting for most but I would have liked to talk to this MrYouAreSoDumb (genius level fella actually) about this offline because this just can't be correct, something's being missed here

Tongkat Ali is just a herbal supp.

[MajorDomo]

I'm an absolute supp/drug nerd and remembered this little thing, perhaps uninteresting for most but I would have liked to talk to this MrYouAreSoDumb (genius level fella actually) about this offline because this just can't be correct, something's being missed here

Tongkat Ali is just a herbal supp.

I looked up some of the research on Tongkat Ali- and it is quite the chemical warehouse. Many natural substances are incredible in their composition- I worked for 3 years in a pharma startup as a research chemist and we were developing applications for the Indian Gooseberry.

Goofy name but a chemical factory. One compound, chebulinic acid, can regrow hair. Ive seen the clinical study.

[MajorDomo]

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Thanks Funk! That picture in front of the pyramid is one i remember from one of the muscle mags!

[Van_Bilderass]

I looked up some of the research on Tongkat Ali- and it is quite the chemical warehouse. Many natural substances are incredible in their composition- I worked for 3 years in a pharma startup as a research chemist and we were developing applications for the Indian Gooseberry.

Goofy name but a chemical factory. One compound, chebulinic acid, can regrow hair. Ive seen the clinical study.

People dismiss herbs as if they can't contain the most powerful drugs/chemicals.

I'm just skeptical Tongkat can raise test to that degree in an old man with long term suppression of the HPTA. It's interesting though but trying to figure out what was actually going on would require more testing. I can't recall the reason but Tongkat is banned in Europe. That poster on Reddit owns a supp company out of Arizona and it seems like he really knows his shit wrt analytical testing of herbs and so on. I mean I can't really judge like you could but he impressed me because a while back a hundred supp companies were selling "Turkesterone" (from Turkestanica Ajuga plant) and this guy came out and said NONE were selling actual Turkesterone! They didn't know what testing was actually needed, the different types of methods, to confirm the plant plus actives and so on. He said when pressed the Chinese said they either didn't know what they were selling either or knew it was something else. The supp industry is dirty as hell and even the honest players can get fooled.

Just in case you have time to waste and feel like skimming this, does this guy know what
he's talking about? If I'm not mistaken he's not a chemist or a scientist himself but learned along the way when he started selling nootropic drugs and research chemicals way back (and was busted by the Feds). Now no more grey area stuff.

[Irongrip400]

I'm an absolute supp/drug nerd and remembered this little thing, perhaps uninteresting for most but I would have liked to talk to this MrYouAreSoDumb (genius level fella actually) about this offline because this just can't be correct, something's being missed here

Tongkat Ali is just a herbal supp.

That’s too high. Why would you take something that would make it that high? My doc has told me he wants me up to 900-1,000 from my 700 and I told him I’m not interested in having testosterone levels at the rate of an 18 year old. 2,000 is nuts.

[Van_Bilderass]

That’s too high. Why would you take something that would make it that high? My doc has told me he wants me up to 900-1,000 from my 700 and I told him I’m not interested in having testosterone levels at the rate of an 18 year old. 2,000 is nuts.

Yeah that's a separate discussion, it would just be interesting if anything could raise endogenous production to that degree in such a subject. Others only note a relatively small but perhaps significant increase.

There's a huckster HRT doc on IG who says every male should strive for 2,000 test as that is optimal. Do you just want to get by and nap on the weekends or do you want to get up above the clouds?

Check it out:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DaGSN_Ajydg/

If you are below 1,000 naturally you should consider HRT haha