Fort Hood Shooter’s Execution to be Live-Streamed

[BB]

This isn't a huge deal, states routinely allow civilian and media witnesses to observe executions. it is a volunteer process usually. Viewing this Livestream will be a volunteer process. I doubt it will be graphic, and perhaps there will be an age check.

Also lots of folks now like to claim they are citizen journalists, auditors, etc.... well now they are getting that chance on a mass scale. Go watch the process if you like or not. This isn't compulsory viewing.

[ProudVirgin69]

This isn't a huge deal, states routinely allow civilian and media witnesses to observe executions. it is a volunteer process usually. Viewing this Livestream will be a volunteer process. I doubt it will be graphic, and perhaps there will be an age check.

Also lots of folks now like to claim they are citizen journalists, auditors, etc.... well now they are getting that chance on a mass scale. Go watch the process if you like or not. This isn't compulsory viewing.

It is quite a departure from existing protocol, actually.  States allow a small number of media representatives (less than 10, typically) to witness, and there is no recording of the execution.  Broadcasting it for mass consumption is wholly unprecedented in our country.

[ProudVirgin69]

Good to hear

The west has become a bunch of pussies

In China they still have public executions primarily for sex offenders and murderers

China ended public executions almost 20 years ago, in 2007.  Even Saudi Arabia ended public executions in 2022, because they both determined that they foster more anti-government sentiment and invite international criticism than the "benefits" they provide.

I’m not sure rolling a paraplegic out in his wheelchair and shooting him to death on a livestream is going to have the effect Hegseth is going for, personally.

[BB]

It is quite a departure from existing protocol, actually.  States allow a small number of media representatives (less than 10, typically) to witness, and there is no recording of the execution.  Broadcasting it for mass consumption is wholly unprecedented in our country.

Federally, it's 6 witnesses for convicted, 8 general, and 10 media. Here's the breakdown - https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/26.4 . It's not done that way not so much for moral reasons, but logistical. They don't want enough people there to disrupt anything, and because of space concerns.

Most states allow a civilians also.

Just as an aside, on the state level in America (and on a country level in France), one of the main drivers of abandonment of public executions years ago was from a logistics side. They were high annoyance, little upside events.

I just don't see it as a huge deal, it's not compulsory. They aren't forcing anyone to watch. It's just a modernization of the process. The one sticking point that has merit is the "no under 18" rule, but that can be overcome with a internet based age check or similar.

[joswift]

it wont happen, its just a smoke screen for the mid-terms

[Irongrip400]

1. Treason

2. Murdered 13, wounded more than 30 on a Federal military base (Fort Hood) and yelled "Allahu Akbar" during the attack.

3. He was waging jihad to protect the Taliban....as a US Soldier on a US Military (in case you didn't get it) - see #1

4. We haven't had a military firing squad execution in since WWII. It should be live-streamed to show Radical Islam what's in store for them.

5. The difference between us and a third world country is that they do this every fucking day...in a public square.

6. Don't like, don't watch it. I'm quite sure this won't be broadcasted on network or cable TV but through specific livestream platforms.

7. I don't a give fuck what your reasoning is.

I’m on board with this dude getting smoked. Shit, that he’s been alive this long after is tragic, they should’ve fed him through a whole tree grinder years ago (I’m serious w out that, pedos too) but we should be above this type of thing. It’s all bread and circus.

[Dave D]

It is quite a departure from existing protocol, actually.  States allow a small number of media representatives (less than 10, typically) to witness, and there is no recording of the execution.  Broadcasting it for mass consumption is wholly unprecedented in our country.

True.New technologies create new opportunities. Live broadcasts on tv and streaming isnt comparing apples to apples.

[chaos]

Pay per view it and donate the money to the victims families.

[illuminati]

I’m on board with this dude getting smoked. Shit, that he’s been alive this long after is tragic, they should’ve fed him through a whole tree grinder years ago (I’m serious w out that, pedos too) but we should be above this type of thing. It’s all bread and circus.

What do you mean we should be above this type of thing ??

[ProudVirgin69]

Federally, it's 6 witnesses for convicted, 8 general, and 10 media. Here's the breakdown - https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/26.4 . It's not done that way not so much for moral reasons, but logistical. They don't want enough people there to disrupt anything, and because of space concerns.

Most states allow a civilians also.

Just as an aside, on the state level in America (and on a country level in France), one of the main drivers of abandonment of public executions years ago was from a logistics side. They were high annoyance, little upside events.

I just don't see it as a huge deal, it's not compulsory. They aren't forcing anyone to watch. It's just a modernization of the process. The one sticking point that has merit is the "no under 18" rule, but that can be overcome with a internet based age check or similar.

As previously stated, there’s quite a bit of difference between the small number of individuals previously allowed to witness an execution, and live-streaming it to the general public.

True.New technologies create new opportunities. Live broadcasts on tv and streaming isnt comparing apples to apples.

Functionally speaking, what’s the difference? 

[BB]

As previously stated, there’s quite a bit of difference between the small number of individuals previously allowed to witness an execution, and live-streaming it to the general public.
 

Ok, explain to me why it's so much better or worse to have 8 civilian witnesses vs 800 vs 8000, etc.... ? You have free will not to partake. Having civilian witnesses is an allowed thing. If you don't want people to see it, then ban it or just don't sentence people to death. But to argue that it's so much worse because it is livestreamed is horseshit.

Heck, one could even argue that it is more respectful to the process to watch the thing because we (the majority of the citizenry) are putting aside our queasiness to see that the justice we voted for is done. If you are going to allow the judicial killing of someone, you should at least have the balls to watch it to understand what you have signed on for.

[Never1AShow]

First of all there's no justice here because justice would be him being killed 13 times, and then also injured 30 times commensurate with his actions.  Second, there are very good reasons to make it public and livestream, transparency, finality, showing the death penalty actually does occur without 30+ years of appeals and delay (see botched execution lady), showing the public that this is society's choice, depussification of America, depussification of  the military, restoration of some modicum of trust to government to actually do what it said.  You may not agree with them, but just ignoring them isn't honest.

[Coach is Back!]

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[Van_Bilderass]

it wont happen, its just a smoke screen for the mid-terms

Yeah I'm sure it won't happen, too many negatives and the rest of the admin will object. If I'm wrong I'll eat crow.

JD Vance immediately sort of came out against it. I don't like the dude but he sounded pretty presidential here.

If Hegseth was one of the shooters he could show that he's actually tough and not just an actor.

1. Treason

2. Murdered 13, wounded more than 30 on a Federal military base (Fort Hood) and yelled "Allahu Akbar" during the attack.

3. He was waging jihad to protect the Taliban....as a US Soldier on a US Military (in case you didn't get it) - see #1

4. We haven't had a military firing squad execution in since WWII. It should be live-streamed to show Radical Islam what's in store for them.

5. The difference between us and a third world country is that they do this every fucking day...in a public square.

6. Don't like, don't watch it. I'm quite sure this won't be broadcasted on network or cable TV but through specific livestream platforms.

7. I don't a give fuck what your reasoning is.

I know it was treason, an unimaginably horrible act. He was supposed to treat soldiers but killed them instead.

"Radical Islam" want to die. Ever hear of suicide bombers? This guy probably expected to be killed in the attack. This would be a great recruiting tool. Remember what they did to Bin Laden, how they buried him? They didn't make a spectacle of it. They didn't publicize photos.

(as an aside, somewhat O/T: when Al Qaeda isn't killing U.S. civilians they are working for the U.S. ISIS, same thing)

I saw a bunch of SF operators all come out against it, for multiple reasons. It's interesting especially considering SF operators are all psychopaths.

Someone calling himself legalnerd posted this; I'm not in a position to evaluate whether it's correct.

[Van_Bilderass]

The pope and other senior Church officials just keep doing things Coach doesn't like.

[BB]

Someone calling himself legalnerd posted this; I'm not in a position to evaluate whether it's correct.

Pages 6-8 - https://api.army.mil/e2/c/downloads/2024/08/16/264d455f/ar-190-55-u-s-army-corrections-system-procedures-for-military-execution.pdf .

I see nothing that would preclude live streaming.

They had a bunch of Yale and Harvard law professors look this over for the news networks. The only real path they saw was the "no one under 18" rule.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/legal-path-seems-narrow-to-challenge-livestream-of-fort-hood-shooters-execution-experts-say .

[Van_Bilderass]

Pages 6-8 - https://api.army.mil/e2/c/downloads/2024/08/16/264d455f/ar-190-55-u-s-army-corrections-system-procedures-for-military-execution.pdf .

I see nothing that would preclude live streaming.

They had a bunch of Yale and Harvard law professors look this over for the news networks. The only real path they saw was the "no one under 18" rule.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/legal-path-seems-narrow-to-challenge-livestream-of-fort-hood-shooters-execution-experts-say .

OK thanks. What have you seen, do people think they will go through with it? JD's response was like, "hold on a second, not a good idea" I'm thinking too much bad press already, allied leaders coming out against it.

Obviously it would immediately be clipped and put on all social media so the "no under 18" wouldn't mean anything. And if they did film it they would probably blur the shit out of it, not film it in HD close-up. Just thinking out loud

The SF guys I watched said, "the message you think you are sending might not be the message received"

I mentioned this to a relative and they said, "but they showed the Ceaușescu execution on TV." I'm old enough to remember seeing that. The funny thing about seeing nasty things; it seems I've gotten more sensitive with age LOL. My bro put up some gore from Ukraine on the TV and I said take it off, I don't want to see. Battlefield executions of traitors with flamethrowers and shit like that. Kids might handle it better in some ways, I don't know.

[WrongAdvices]

This is the dividing line here between pussies and nonpussies. Are there any nonpussies here who are against it?

[ProudVirgin69]

This is the dividing line here between pussies and nonpussies. Are there any nonpussies here who are against it?

Why do you want to watch someone die?

[Van_Bilderass]

This is the dividing line here between pussies and nonpussies. Are there any nonpussies here who are against it?

I guess it depends on the message you want to send and what you want your society to be?

Would you say Special Forces operators who have been in direct combat, who don't want to see this, are pussies? I take it you are no pussy, how many lives have you taken and how many battle wounds do you have? How much killing, torture and death have you personally witnessed? It's funny that it seems the tough guys who love this idea have done nothing themselves, have seen nothing.

Coach is a tough guy, I don't know how many people he has killed though. Trump is really tough but he had those damn heel spurs so he couldn't go to Vietnam, he really wanted to though but they just wouldn't let him.

Maybe the dividing line is between posers and actual tough guys.

[chaos]

The SF guys I watched said, "the message you think you are sending might not be the message received"

The SF guys I watched said, "the message was already sent when he shot up those people on the base"

[WrongAdvices]

Why do you want to watch someone die?

I don’t want to, we all must be compelled to in order to understand what it takes to protect society and the cost to brave men.

I also don’t believe any real SF operators would be against it. Maybe some self promoting narcissists trying for clicks, or ones with TDS or phonies like Hankins.

[BB]

OK thanks. What have you seen, do people think they will go through with it? JD's response was like, "hold on a second, not a good idea" I'm thinking too much bad press already, allied leaders coming out against it.

Obviously it would immediately be clipped and put on all social media so the "no under 18" wouldn't mean anything. And if they did film it they would probably blur the shit out of it, not film it in HD close-up. Just thinking out loud

The SF guys I watched said, "the message you think you are sending might not be the message received"

I mentioned this to a relative and they said, "but they showed the Ceaușescu execution on TV." I'm old enough to remember seeing that. The funny thing about seeing nasty things; it seems I've gotten more sensitive with age LOL. My bro put up some gore from Ukraine on the TV and I said take it off, I don't want to see. Battlefield executions of traitors with flamethrowers and shit like that. Kids might handle it better in some ways, I don't know.

Unless Hasan, himself, does the whole Habeas Corpus thing, I think we'll have it. Hasan wants to die, and it's been that way for years. I don't see the "under 18" rule going anywhere either, unless the admin secretly wants to shut it down. There are too many ways to fix it to be adults only, at least on the official level.

If it does go through, I think it will be a "big whoop" as they say. They'll film it in a certain way to show the least violent angles, at worse we'll maybe see a bit of blood on a shirt, and be left thinking "that's it?". Firing squads aren't spectacularly violent, and I think most adults would've seen worse - R Budd Dwyer, the Kirk shooting, the train stabbing, etc.... by now.

Like most death penalty things here in the US, sentiment seems to be split with with it running pro. This is especially true with rank and file military. They don't care they just want him gone.

I've seen the "the message isn't what you think it is" type posts by some youtube ex-military, but they have a vested interest because they make money off of being a contrarian. I doubt we'll see a major uptick in violence from this either. We accidentally bombed a school, and it's been relatively quiet, this guy is small potatoes compared to that.

I may or may not view it. probably not. I also think those that object should be allowed to not partake in an piece of it. I've seen the Ceaușescu execution, etc..... there just isn't any wonder in it anymore in it for me.

[Van_Bilderass]

The SF guys I watched said, "the message was already sent when he shot up those people on the base"

Were they positive towards showing it on the internet?

Unless Hasan, himself, does the whole Habeas Corpus thing, I think we'll have it. Hasan wants to die, and it's been that way for years. I don't see the "under 18" rule going anywhere either, unless the admin secretly wants to shut it down. There are too many ways to fix it to be adults only, at least on the official level.

If it does go through, I think it will be a "big whoop" as they say. They'll film it in a certain way to show the least violent angles, at worse we'll maybe see a bit of blood on a shirt, and be left thinking "that's it?". Firing squads aren't spectacularly violent, and I think most adults would've seen worse - R Budd Dwyer, the Kirk shooting, the train stabbing, etc.... by now.

Like most death penalty things here in the US, sentiment seems to be split with with it running pro. This is especially true with rank and file military. They don't care they just want him gone.

I've seen the "the message isn't what you think it is" type posts by some youtube ex-military, but they have a vested interest because they make money off of being a contrarian. I doubt we'll see a major uptick in violence from this either. We accidentally bombed a school, and it's been relatively quiet, this guy is small potatoes compared to that.

I may or may not view it. probably not. I also think those that object should be allowed to not partake in an piece of it. I've seen the Ceaușescu execution, etc..... there just isn't any wonder in it anymore in it for me.

Thanks. Yeah the ex-militaries are contrarian and against the Iran war, against Israel and against the Trump admin, though many were Trump supporters in the past. I'm biased towards their view obviously. Maybe they've seen where the wind is blowing and decided to cash in on it, I don't know. They do have a certain "right" to speak on war since they've been there and done it, I think. Same way Vietnam vets could say the war was misguided and war is hell or whatever.

That John "Shrek" McPhee Delta Force guy said the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were really stupid, "when have we been the good guys, when have we won anything?" but said he loved every minute of it LOL. Just loved killing and blowing stuff up.

One Navy Seal guy, Jake Zweig, said there is literally no difference between a serial killer on death row and an SF guy, referenced some study. They select for people with a lot of childhood trauma. Highly intelligent sociopathic ADD autists.

I don't remember who said it, but someone on a podcast said the U.S. is one of the most violent societies on earth LOL. The way the populace thinks. Though some cities like Chicago are like literal war zones.

Edit. BTW, I saw Coach's buddy Tim Kennedy was shot up in the Congo, might lose his leg. Apparently was working for Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater, protecting blood diamonds and collecting taxes. Tim is near 50 I think and I saw some SF guys say violence is extremely addicting and many can't let go until they die. Maybe he wanted to prove himself after being exposed as telling fish stories.

[illuminati]

Why do you want to watch someone die?

Why wouldn't you ?
Many of us have seen parents & relatives die.