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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2006, 09:55:20 PM »
I guess my point is that back in the 80-90's weider were earning big dollars from supplements, magazines and healthy ticket sales and that some (we all know not enough...) went back into putting on decent shows and even to athlete contracts when the WBF came around in 1990.

Don't forget mailorder used to be huge. Arnold made a fortune selling his courses directly through mailorder as did mike mentzer for that short period he was the messiah.

Some pros even made decent money writing books that were published by big publishers. Zane had several successful books.

Now the top 5 guys get all the guest posing work, decent supplement deals, prize money and mag deals but the incomes drop very fast after that...

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2006, 10:11:16 PM »
 the internet is good if they have a product.  would like to know how tanji does with client sign-ups , dina with membership and a couple of others out there.  to the general pop men's bbing = steriods that's offline or online.  that has always killed expansion... esp with non-industry money.
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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2006, 10:31:04 PM »
the internet does the following:

- gets guys to record and distribute shows after they occur for free
- has ripped dvds on filesharing networks
- gives more up to date information than the magazines and books
- gives more recent interviews
- lets fans directly interact with pros instead of going to seminars
- has pictures and video clips distributed frequently
- lets fans talk about what supplements are worth buying at all and which are the best deal

as a result, people don't need to go to shows, go to seminars, buy magazines, buy books, buy webcasts or pay per views, buy dvds, or even spend money on most supplements to get the information and images that such purchases normally provide. seven methods of revenue that the internet may be wiping out.

show tickets, magazine sales, and supplements which pay for adspace in magazines are where most money comes from. with so few people willing to pay for what they can get for free, where do we propose the business gets its revenue?


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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2006, 10:38:01 PM »
Well think about it.  Before the internet was around BB was at it's highest.  When it evoleved BB got worse and worse and now is at its all time low.  Mix that with Weiders and you have an evolving loser

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2006, 11:21:09 PM »
what big $$$$$? serious???
I don't see any bodybuilding companies going public with a weekly new IPO?
Failure to get TV contracts and major corporate sponsers have hurt the real bucks that could be made.
It is a  simple case of the fast internet nickel for a brief time or the slow steady dollar and future growth

There are more competitors and more ancillary personnel making more money than ever before.  That's important.

The reason that Canon, GMC, and other major corporations no longer sponsor bodybuilding has *nothing* to do with your assertion. 

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2006, 11:21:59 PM »
pose for pay is another blackeye on the sport.

Why? 

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2006, 04:44:37 AM »
I know I haven't spent a penny on tickets, magazines, videos for at least the past 5 years yet i'm more up to date than i've ever been.

Has everything we get for FREE from the net killed the sport?

Less dollars coming in (mags/tickets) must be making it harder and harder for them to spend it on the shows and athletes...
The mags sucked! Bullshit routines and endless product hawking. Lies and deception about what the guys use to put on all that size... I haven't bought one in years. Except for all the wannabes who seethe with jealousy and seem to hate the Pros(if you can't be em, hate em), the net's been great for bodybuilding.
*Contest results and pics right away
*The Pros honest opinions
*Open gear discussion
* Supplement reviews from people who have no vested interest in promoting a product
very few down sides  :)

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2006, 05:37:52 AM »
Golf is a sport.. Hardcore athletes..

It's funny you say that, because most retired athletes (too many to mention) spend all of their time these days playing golf.

I recently heard an interview with Michael Jordan saying that he felt that Golf was definitely the most difficult sport to play consistently and that we was amazed at how pro golfers could win several tournaments in the same year. He also said that in terms of co-ordination and mental toughness golf had to be up there as well.

Funny I must have missed the part where he talked about pro bodybuilding.

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2006, 07:45:54 AM »
It's funny you say that, because most retired athletes (too many to mention) spend all of their time these days playing golf.

I recently heard an interview with Michael Jordan saying that he felt that Golf was definitely the most difficult sport to play consistently and that we was amazed at how pro golfers could win several tournaments in the same year. He also said that in terms of co-ordination and mental toughness golf had to be up there as well.

Funny I must have missed the part where he talked about pro bodybuilding.

Yeah but MJ was no stranger to the juice.

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2006, 09:09:16 AM »
Yeah but MJ was no stranger to the juice.



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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2006, 12:12:37 PM »


Funny I must have missed the part where he talked about pro bodybuilding.

did you ever think that maybe he knew he couldn't handle bodybuilding so he never bothered trying 8)

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2006, 01:00:49 PM »
did you ever think that maybe he knew he couldn't handle bodybuilding so he never bothered trying 8)

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Yeah, you're probably right.

One of the greatest true athletes of all time....unbelievable work ethic, drive, intensity, clutch shooting, vertical leap, playoff performers, 6 time NBA champion, multiple time MVP and olympian couldn't Handle Bodybuilding.... ::)

What exactly couldn't he handle? Going 3.0 on the treadmill????

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2006, 01:39:39 PM »
did you ever think that maybe he knew he couldn't handle bodybuilding so he never bothered trying 8)

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I think you've hit the nail on the head. I'm sure MJ not only knew he couldn't handle bodybuilding, I'm sure he deeply regrets not pursuing the "sport" instead of basketball. I'm sure he'd gladly give up the tens (if not hundreds) of millions of dollars, the healthy internal organs, and normal lifespan he probably has in a heartbeat to trade places with KL or any other top bodybuilder.
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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2006, 08:19:48 PM »
haha apparently you guys aren't familiar with sarcasm ::)

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2006, 08:52:33 PM »
It's funny you say that, because most retired athletes (too many to mention) spend all of their time these days playing golf.

I recently heard an interview with Michael Jordan saying that he felt that Golf was definitely the most difficult sport to play consistently and that we was amazed at how pro golfers could win several tournaments in the same year. He also said that in terms of co-ordination and mental toughness golf had to be up there as well.

Funny I must have missed the part where he talked about pro bodybuilding.


I'd love to see him take up bodybuilding.. What "SPORT" do you think he'd have a better chance of beating a pro at?  Then you will find your answer which is harder..   Note: I got a hole in one on a par three when I was 9..



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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2006, 09:05:00 PM »
MINI PUT PUT DOSENT COUNT o and mj earned 500mil just from air jordanm contract and clothing line in the last 5 years  so yer im sure he is sitting at home with his wife and kids and his millions of dollers still with that whole in his heart that only body building would of filled
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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2006, 09:11:45 PM »
MINI PUT PUT DOSENT COUNT o and mj earned 500mil just from air jordanm contract and clothing line in the last 5 years  so yer im sure he is sitting at home with his wife and kids and his millions of dollers still with that whole in his heart that only body building would of filled


I think he got beat by some old fat guy last time he played golf if I remember correctly.. Funny how hard this sport is that some old fat guy can beat a rich pro athlete..  Maybe the old guy was on the juice..

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2006, 12:40:57 AM »
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The internet and message boards COULD have been a huge help to bodybuilding, but it has had the opposite effect. Why? Most come on these sites just to get a rise , stay in the shadows and never do anything constructive for our sport.

You know - I tend to agree with you there, which is why I wrote some new guidelines on the main boards  to start working on making bodybuilding more positive for all. People who don't like the industry so go away.

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Magazine sales are down and I doubt the internet has helped supplement companies much.
I know I haven't spent a penny on tickets, magazines, videos for at least the past 5 years yet i'm more up to date than i've ever been.

Now this is a serious issues. Magazine sales are down for all - for entertainment, sports, news, niche mags - because the Internet, in the last 7 years lets you find information, news, pictures and more faster than the magazine. How does Time Magazine give us the news when you can get it right away on the Internet, on television.... same with entertainment magazines... and with bodybuilding magazines. What can they do to make people buy them.

The answer is to give us the stories that we can't get online right away. Interviews, training pictures, photo shoots, more on the expo, training articles, etc. 

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Less dollars coming in (mags/tickets) must be making it harder and harder for them to spend it on the shows and athletes... I guess my point is that back in the 80-90's weider were earning big dollars from supplements, magazines and healthy ticket sales and that some


Well - it was different then. In 1993, there were no bar companies nor very many supplement companies. Steel Bar, Powerbar were the first bars. Balance Bars, Clif Bars came later. Now you have many different bars by many different companies. Same with the supplement industry. Before Met-Rx came along (when Milos was selling it from his trunk), there where very few. Twinlabs, Weider, etc. Then in the 1990's, you had an explosion of companies (EAS, Labrada and so one) until there were 100's of them. Then in the 2000's, mainstream started to buy some out (EAS, Pure Protein, Metrx, etc), and putting them in mainstream markets, dilluting the health stores, etc.  Many supplement companies sponsored athletes, and still do. But everybody now looks at their ROI.

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as a result, people don't need to go to shows, go to seminars, buy magazines, buy books, buy webcasts or pay per views, buy dvds, or even spend money on most supplements to get the information and images that such purchases normally provide. seven methods of revenue that the internet may be wiping out.

This is the worst of it. Somehow, there should be a way where the fans of bodybuilding should come to the shows and expos and go over things, like many other sports or industries do. I do not understand how one can criticize, yet never go to a show or expo. There is absolutely ZERO reason why you can't go to one of them. Zero.

Hopefully, we can start working on that.


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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2006, 12:50:35 AM »
IMO, companies are able to make MORE money by using the web, EVEN magazines like FLEX and MD.  Why?  Because they could just as easily offer the same content on their website for a fee, and many of us would buy it.  Why can't we pay $5 and download each issue of MD? I know I would!  (Note, Boss B: Monster profit margins!)

Plus, remember back in the day when you wanted to order something- you'd cut out the page, mail in a money order with your handwritten order, and wait 6-8 weeks for it to arrive?  Today, you place an order, confirm immediately, and can follow the package for 2 days via UPS.com

There is a reason that the web is up, mags are down, and these companies are not doing better (AMI's sales are taking a beating right now- i posted the numbers today):

They refuse to embrace the web and lose control.  Sure, a few kids might scan articles and share them.  BUT the overall savings (printing and distributing a mag ain't cheap!) and the increased business (many of us would ALWAYS buy MD if it was as easy as clicking a paypal button) would more than compensate for the lost paper sales.

But, they'll catch on about a year after a competitor does it.  Like many firms in this industry, control always outweighs growth- a fatal mistake in any industry which is continually changing.

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2006, 12:55:43 AM »
Think about the porn mags.. Who needs those anymore now that we have internet porn..

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2006, 02:34:22 AM »
Think about the porn mags.. Who needs those anymore now that we have internet porn..

Yes this is the best thing about the internet.  If all else fails, please keep the porn going strong.

And actually, I think it would be allot easier, cost effective and profitable for all the magazine to be available online.  Instaed of spending millions of dollars to print and distribute the printed copy, have it available online for viewing and/or download for half the price for the printed version.  You would get more people looking and buying the magazine.  They can literally put exactly whats in the printed version on the net and only have to do it once.  Back issues would be easy to get, articles and information would be available faster, millions of dollars would be save and many more millions would be made.  If someone wants to print out 1 pages or the whole magazine they have the choice.  Just look at how much money could be saved even in paper which would save trees.  Ink, all the aspects relating to the printing of the magazines.  It is a great idea.

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2006, 02:59:24 AM »
First of all - kudos for a good thread and many interesting posts.
Let this be a trend, guys  ;)

Internet has changed the system of spreading information.
 When I started to be interested in BB I read Flex. And this was
the channel of info, back then. The internet has totally changed
the way I look on BBing and bodybuilders. This has it's up&down side.
I know not only about steroid, but about GH, synthol, etc etc.
I'm no longer brainwashed by Flex/Weiders/AMI,
so Cell-Tech isn't the only thing they use? ;), thats good.
I get more accurate infomation about the sport on internet,
also the downside of it which is interesting.

Financially, I think that it is only the magazines thats "hurting".
But they must change the consept, more in depth, interviews,
training articles etc. If they loose money, will that effect the
pro bodybuilder? If so, then internet can be a problem, as it is
today.


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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2006, 04:02:21 AM »
the 3 best things that happened/happen/will happen to bodybuilding are:
INTERNET
CHINA
PDI (if managed right the moment joe and ben are 6 feet under, and it's not too far, it will be a whole new game)
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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2006, 04:30:49 AM »
IMO, companies are able to make MORE money by using the web, EVEN magazines like FLEX and MD.  Why?  Because they could just as easily offer the same content on their website for a fee, and many of us would buy it.  Why can't we pay $5 and download each issue of MD? I know I would!  (Note, Boss B: Monster profit margins!)

Plus, remember back in the day when you wanted to order something- you'd cut out the page, mail in a money order with your handwritten order, and wait 6-8 weeks for it to arrive?  Today, you place an order, confirm immediately, and can follow the package for 2 days via UPS.com

There is a reason that the web is up, mags are down, and these companies are not doing better (AMI's sales are taking a beating right now- i posted the numbers today):

They refuse to embrace the web and lose control.  Sure, a few kids might scan articles and share them.  BUT the overall savings (printing and distributing a mag ain't cheap!) and the increased business (many of us would ALWAYS buy MD if it was as easy as clicking a paypal button) would more than compensate for the lost paper sales.

But, they'll catch on about a year after a competitor does it.  Like many firms in this industry, control always outweighs growth- a fatal mistake in any industry which is continually changing.

  We shall see if this is true. I think that some people would get MD and the rest would discuss a story in it. That's not too bad, but I think we'll still laugh at the photoshopped covers ;D

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Re: Is the internet actually good for the sport?
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2006, 07:27:31 AM »
The music industry has grown eventhough the execs cry behind belief that file sharing sites are killing them.  How many new fans have been exposed to the sport since the internet?  A lot of athletes have setup shop at  sites like myspace and developed a bit of a following there.  This activity doesnt happen with just magazine on a shelf.   IFBB and other companies connected to the sport, lifestyle or whatever have to grow up.
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