what was the arnold/mentzer confrontation about at the 80 olympia?

[Scimowser]

Arnold had an ego problem because he believed he was better than everyone else (he generally was and still is lol). He wanted the weight classes to make sure he was guaranteed the title. Mike wanted to be in Arnolds position and thought he was the best. For better or worse, Arnold won the competition and Mike couldnt deal with that. Essentially it destroyed his career as a competitive bodybuilder

[TheGoldenPrince]

yep, that's my point. anabolics are SUPPOSED to help you assimilate and synthesize higher intakes of protein.

this is anabolics 101.

In actual fact, naturals need far less protein.

i honestly don't know the nutritional requirements of the contemporary drug assisted bodybuilder (has there actually been any non-weider influenced/funded research on this subject?)

we've all had too much weider bullshit forced down our throats for too many years, but mentzer had the courage to challenge the protocol which is probably his most significant achievement.

weider has committed the greatest fraud ever in the fitness industry. he has sold his bullshit philosophy (building a billion dollar industry) since the 40's and propped up his heavily juiced bodybuilders as proof of it's efficiency, when in fact the real truth lied in pharmacology.

Naturals don't require less protein per se, otherwise they wouldn't grow w/o the aid of gear. Not as much as Trevor Smith was taking but still a lot is needed as protein buids muscle. Carbs and fat have very potent anabolic properties as well; I could lecture on all this for hours but who would listen? Plus, though I'm a philantropist and Good Samaritan to the poor and needy, I most justifiably charge well-endowed professionals and top amateurs a nice fee for advanced secrets as well as you can't put no pricetag on quality muscle gains. Some people equate lack of growth as lack of protein; not true really, as your body needs to be able to absorb the aminos and everything else. People buy chicken and rice, and eat it anyhow but there is a science to food selection and meal timing, as well as cycling an variety. As far as anabolics, yes I know the chemicals help utilise the calories and protein far better but they are so anabolic that a genetic freak even on a deprived diet would make great gains, so long as some protein was being ingested, as was the case with Mentzer.

[cornebb]

anyone have more pics from 80' olympia?

[bicepsforyou]

Good ?

[pumpster]

For better or worse, Arnold won the competition and Mike couldnt deal with that. Essentially it destroyed his career as a competitive bodybuilder

Can't blame him for being upset, but after seeing Robinson denied more than once he should've been a little more realistic about the politics that are part of such a commercial enterprise as the IFBB and Weider. Of course 5th place seems absurd but if you don't win who cares anyway?

It's clear that he, like Schwarzenegger, had his own set of ego problems.

[gibberj2]

well if he got 5th he shouldn't be mad at arnold. he should be mad an places 2-4.

[pumpster]

Except that there was already long-term animus between them that produced tension and a confrontation at the contest, plus the impression that it was fixed with the late entry of Schwarzenegger.

Can't blame Mentzer at all for disliking Schwarzenegger who was clearly both annoying and surrounded by a coterie of Gold's yes-men. Too bad he couldn't see that this Arnold nonsense was a one-year thing, which left the field wide-open in subsequent years. With a little patience he'd have been rewarded by sticking around.

[TheGoldenPrince]

Except that there was already long-term animus between them that produced tension and a confrontation at the contest, plus the impression that it was fixed with the late entry of Schwarzenegger.

Can't blame Mentzer at all for disliking Schwarzenegger who was clearly both annoying and surrounded by a coterie of Gold's yes-men. Too bad he couldn't see that this Arnold nonsense was a one-year thing, which left the field wide-open in subsequent years. With a little patience he'd have been rewarded by sticking around.

Perhaps he would have been rewarded but it all depends. Dickerson got his due but guys like Danny P justifiably got tired of the bs and packed it up too.

[Jr. Yates]

Perhaps he would have been rewarded but it all depends. Dickerson got his due but guys like Danny P justifiably got tired of the bs and packed it up too.

which was sad don't blame him though. The giant killer was great to see. us shorter guys love the shorter guys.

[TheGoldenPrince]

which was sad don't blame him though. The giant killer was great to see. us shorter guys love the shorter guys.

Padilla was awesome; I'd love to see him make a comeback all-natural to try and dethrone Chick at the Masters Pro World next year!

[pumpster]

Weider was savvy but for whatever reason when it comes to the Olympia the thought process was warped. He let most of his best BBs leave in the early 80s where if he'd let them win once in a while BB would have been more interesting with good rivalries between them until the mid-80s-Robinson, Padilla, Szkalak, Mentzer, Fox.

[kimo]

in bodybuiding all stars book which mike prefaced he says many flattering things regarding arnold he simply disaggrred on his training methods and arnold took it personal . aking like arnold want to be worshipped and not criticised but mentzer or not arnold would probably have won in 1980.