Another IFBB Pro to PDI

[240 is Back]

I've never "bashed" the PDI. I questioned whether it could succeed based on it's past history and the falling interest in competetive bodybuilding. We've already seen one show cancelled due to lack of sponsorship and fan interest. Once again you jumped all over that by bashing the IFBB and complaining that athletes had been let down. Your recent poster for the NOC revelled a severe lack of sponsors, yet you were happy to pareade it without your usual diatribe?

I've stated several times that I'd love to see the bodybuilders making more money. Why would I not want that, a lot of them are friends? Unlike you,
But any MBA will tell you that without demand there can be no supply. Unlike you, I do attend shows and attendancies have been falling over the years. If the fans aren't flocking to the shows now, why will they rush out to thr PDI onses? That's not bashing is it?

Unlike you I don't take money from the athletes pockets. I do understand that you have to. Each to their own.

Poster came from MD, Keveypoo.

And the demand IS there. The supply of an acceptable product HASN'T been there.  Take a step back.  A swollen gut 8-time champ is not marketable or fun for fans.  A 300-pound distended gut is not cool or worth a ticket.  Do you really think Ronnie will ever star in a movie of Pumping Iron caliber to revitalize a
sagging fanbase? 

No. ANd there is no interest to, on the part of the IFBB.  They're letting the sport die.  Mark my words- O will suck this year.  No PPV, poor production, and lots of cut corners.  Next year, it'll be the VyoO or the BSN O, and it'll be just another contest.  You knew that already, right?

[240 is Back]

Unlike you I don't take money from the athletes pockets. I do understand that you have to. Each to their own.

Seriously Kev, you're way off base tonight.  Debate is fun, but please explain how I take $ from the athlete's pockets?  Most clients get a return on that $300 in the first year easily. not to mention the intangibles that come with the exposure.  Plus it's important to them to display themselves to the world.  They customize it to their heart's desire, and I build it.  I'm not taking money from anyone.  I offer a service they find way more valuable than the cost of the site. 

man, you are a little nuts tonight.  Sat night... things not going so well for you?  Are you lonely, Kevin?  You sound like it.  I hope you find happiness, man.  You sound like an unreasonable, small man. A small, small man.

[kmhphoto]

Kev, step back and think. 

With all the history you know- do you REALLY think Wayne would let his frist show's athletes go unpaid?  Do you REALLY think he'd sabotage his own division by not paying guys?  And it's an amateur show.  What kind of pay do those guys get? Um...

The world is watching for him to fail.  If there are cracks in the armor, guys will make a lot of noise.  But you guys can't find them yet.  If Wayne's PDI- a private company- chooses not to disclose their finances four months BEFORE an event- you're pissed?  Tell me, have you seen Microsoft's Dec 2006 financial records yet?  NO?  HOly crap!  Let's write a letter!  How dare they not disclose corporate info for events that are 120 days away?  Those bastards!

Dude, you're melting thanks to whatever beef you have with Wayne.  I do not paste his words here- everyhting I say is my own.  I don't talk specifics about promoting like Keith, or about past shows like Wayne does.  I focus on future growth.

I didn't say the athletes at the NOC would not be paid. I asked why you're not questioning the fact that the first show is being run by a promoter with a history of NOT paying athletes. If the IFBB were allowing him to run a show you'd be asking quesitons? But because it's the PDI you're strangely silent. I expect nothing less as you're one of their employees.

Interesting how you defend the rights of other companies yet you demand to know the finacies of Shawn and the IFBB!

I'll repeat once again, for the hard of hearing and the terminally stupid, I have no beef with Wayne. I like him. I spent a couple hours taliking to him recently.

I've yet to experience a meltdown but as you have, what's it like?

[240 is Back]

Unlike you I don't take money from the athletes pockets. I do understand that you have to. Each to their own.

Rhino is a household name on the boards.  He did a shoot and article with MD and Musclemag for upcoming articles.  He just signed with AtLarge.  He got a site which kicks some serious ass, judging by the response it gets above all of my other work  He's easily one of the top 5 most recognizeable PDI guys, maybe top 3, right?  He stands out as the FIRST guy to make that leap.

Tell me how I have taken money from Rhino's pocket.  

[240 is Back]

I asked why you're not questioning the fact that the first show is being run by a promoter with a history of NOT paying athletes.

wait, are you talking about the Toronto Pro?  Cause the IFBB gave him a show this year, didn't require the prize $ up front, and then he cancelled, despite doing it in the last 2 years, right?  How come you're not bringing that up?

[240 is Back]

I've yet to experience a meltdown but as you have, what's it like?

Well, Kevin, I did meltdown when some prick posted my wife's info on the web.  Wouldn't you?  Any man with respoect for his wife would do the same to protect her. 

Either you don't know the joy of marriage, or you don't repect your wife enough to do anything to protect her.  Either way, I pity you, Kevin.

[brianX]

No.  Jay is still in love with the O dream.  I'm talking about a man who has been wronged by the IFBB.  No more clues now! lol... I can't confirm, but I hear things.  Bottom line, more names are going each month, and the BIG ONE will be near the end of the list, but when he goes, there will be a pretty big 'holy shit' from the world of BBing.

Dexter Jackson

[kmhphoto]

Poster came from MD, Keveypoo.

And the demand IS there. The supply of an acceptable product HASN'T been there.  Take a step back.  A swollen gut 8-time champ is not marketable or fun for fans.  A 300-pound distended gut is not cool or worth a ticket.  Do you really think Ronnie will ever star in a movie of Pumping Iron caliber to revitalize a
sagging fanbase? 

No. ANd there is no interest to, on the part of the IFBB.  They're letting the sport die.  Mark my words- O will suck this year.  No PPV, poor production, and lots of cut corners.  Next year, it'll be the VyoO or the BSN O, and it'll be just another contest.  You knew that already, right?

What has the source of the poster got to do with it?
Amazing how someone with zero experience of the business suddenly knows so much about the demand levels.
As for Pumoping Iron, consider this. Had Arnold not gone on to become a movie superstar, would it be as popular?

The O will continue being a success. Technical problems from last year will be addressed. Biggest prize money available. As for the PPV I'm glad it's gone. Waste of money. Theatre is great. If you don't like the hotel, there are others. Though as you aren't going what concern is it of yours?  The Expo will be great.
Whoever is the sponsor next year doesn;t matter, as long as the O's on, athletes are making money.

[kmhphoto]

ell me how I have taken money from Rhino's pocket.  

Did you charge him for the site?
I've never charged.

[240 is Back]

As for the PPV I'm glad it's gone. Waste of money.

What about the thousands of fans who will not be able to see the O this year because a trip to LV is not feasible for them?  Are you "glad" they'll be missing it?

[240 is Back]

Did you charge him for the site?
I've never charged.

Which is why you're dependent off the generosity of FLEX to buy your pictures. You HAVE to be a shill.  If not, they might buy some other guy's pics. 

Of course I charged him for the site.  But it's safe to say that he made money in excess of $300 as a result of buying that site, not even considering future opportunities.

[kmhphoto]

Well, Kevin, I did meltdown when some prick posted my wife's info on the web.  Wouldn't you?  Any man with respoect for his wife would do the same to protect her. 

Either you don't know the joy of marriage, or you don't repect your wife enough to do anything to protect her.  Either way, I pity you, Kevin.

Respect.
Though I wouldn't have given the asshole the satisfaction of watching a public meltdown.

[240 is Back]

Amazing how someone with zero experience of the business suddenly knows so much about the demand levels.

I find it interesting when someone can't attack the points of my argument, they attack my lack of 20 years schmoe experience that they're so proud of.  

Stick with the debate, chubbs.  Why is AMI unloading the O, if it is so super duper?  And why cheat teh fans out of a PPV?  You might be "glad", but a lot of ppl are not.

[Hedgehog]

wait, are you talking about the Toronto Pro?  Cause the IFBB gave him a show this year, didn't require the prize $ up front, and then he cancelled, despite doing it in the last 2 years, right?  How come you're not bringing that up?

What is the first competition on the PDI schedule?

That seems to be the competition and promotor he is referring to.

What is there to this information that Horton supplies about the promotor not being able to pay in the past?

Anyone know about this?

YIP
Zack

[kmhphoto]

Which is why you're dependent off the generosity of FLEX to buy your pictures. You HAVE to be a shill.  If not, they might buy some other guy's pics. 

Of course I charged him for the site.  But it's safe to say that he made money in excess of $300 as a result of buying that site, not even considering future opportunities.

I am not dependant on any one client.
If I didn't shoot for FLEX, my opinions of the PDI would not change. Watch this space
So you are dependant on the athletes because you charge them. I don't.

[240 is Back]

What is the first competition on the PDI schedule?

That seems to be the competition and promotor he is referring to.

What is there to this information that Horton supplies about the promotor not being able to pay in the past?

Anyone know about this?

YIP
Zack

The man doing the Orlando PDI show was the Orlando IFBB pro show promoter, and didn't pay Darrem until many months after.  It's a pro qualifier, so I'm not too sure there is to be money to change hands.  And with teh buzz, the names, and the momentum wayne has generated, I find it pretty hard to believe that anyone will get screwed out of a dime there.  WOuld cast a shadow on the NOC much like the Sray check cashing fiasco.

[kmhphoto]

I find it interesting when someone can't attack the points of my argument, they attack my lack of 20 years schmoe experience that they're so proud of.  

Stick with the debate, chubbs.  Why is AMI unloading the O, if it is so super duper?  And why cheat teh fans out of a PPV?  You might be "glad", but a lot of ppl are not.

Well experience is often more use than a handfull of degrees. A leading UK property deveopers was recently interviewing for management positions. He held a "round table" discussion with several recent MBA's , and after 20 minutes stood up and said "what @£$$ing language are you talking"

Where's the proof that AMI are unloading the O or anything else for that matter? Most of your posts are filled with wild ccusations but rarley fact.

As for the PPV,, me personal opinion that it costs far too much to produce. The ROI is either too small or none at all. The audeince for it has not grown because the general public is not interested in the sport.

[kmhphoto]

The man doing the Orlando PDI show was the Orlando IFBB pro show promoter, and didn't pay Darrem until many months after.  It's a pro qualifier, so I'm not too sure there is to be money to change hands.  And with teh buzz, the names, and the momentum wayne has generated, I find it pretty hard to believe that anyone will get screwed out of a dime there.  WOuld cast a shadow on the NOC much like the Sray check cashing fiasco.

Did Darrem get paid?

[240 is Back]

Where's the proof that AMI are unloading the O or anything else for that matter? Most of your posts are filled with wild ccusations but rarley fact.

AMI's stock took a beating this year.  I cannot deliver proof at this time.  But even Bob Chick made it very clear, saying that even if the O does change hands after the 2006 show, everything will remain the same.

Why would the athlete's rep state this?   Obviously I have more, but I'm not going to post it.  And are you sure that "Most of your posts are filled with wild ccusations but rarley fact"?   Sure I'm annoying and wrong about opinion stuff, but when I deliver a story, it's usually pretty accurate.  

[240 is Back]

Did Darrem get paid?

Did Heath? LOL... how the hell should I know.  I am not Darrem and I am not that promoter. I never claimed to know everything about the PDI.  You're the one attacking the promoter and every other detail of a show taht is months away. 

[kmhphoto]

AMI's stock took a beating this year.  I cannot deliver proof at this time.  But even Bob Chick made it very clear, saying that even if the O does change hands after the 2006 show, everything will remain the same.

Why would the athlete's rep state this?   Obviously I have more, but I'm not going to post it.  And are you sure that "Most of your posts are filled with wild ccusations but rarley fact"?   Sure I'm annoying and wrong about opinion stuff, but when I deliver a story, it's usually pretty accurate.  

Yes, Bob made it clear that the O will continue whatever happens and he's correct. You're choosing to take that as evidence that AMI is unloading it. Hardly proof positive is it?
Odd how when you thought Bob was implying that he had access to information you chose to call him a liar, call up his emplyer and try to publicly denounce him. Yet, now you are using his statement as your evidence!

If you have more, tell us. Or has your Boss told you not to say anything?

When have you ever delivered a factual story?
You are the master of jumping on bandwagons and maintaning your emplyment status. Little else.

[kmhphoto]

Did Heath? LOL... how the hell should I know.  I am not Darrem and I am not that promoter. I never claimed to know everything about the PDI.  You're the one attacking the promoter and every other detail of a show taht is months away. 

Well Phil has posted on here that he has.
But you said "and didn't pay Darrem until many months after". As you didn't say that you assumed the payment had been made I thought I'd ask. Thanks for clearing things up. This was another of your attempts to indicate that you had facts when you don't.
Where have I attacked the promoter or "every other detail of a show taht is months away"
I asked why you - even as an emplyeee - are not concerned that the first show held under the PDI banner is being run by someone who has a history of NOT paying the athletes. Isn't that a little but of a PR blunder?

[ironneck]

is badell going to pdi?
i heard the pdi likes natural bbers

[onlyme]

wait, are you talking about the Toronto Pro?  Cause the IFBB gave him a show this year, didn't require the prize $ up front, and then he cancelled, despite doing it in the last 2 years, right?  How come you're not bringing that up?

Toronto Pro is just the first IFBB show this year to be cancelled.  Their will be moreThe Colorado Pro was far from a success and the competitors will be harder to find next year I promise.  As will the sponsors.  From what heard the space was very small to what was expected as was the turnout.  Sorry but with tightening of budgets and now a new way to use advertising money, the IFBB shows are going to have less and less major sponsors.  Ask Lee's sponsor.

The IFBB supporters need to start realizing that sponsors for the past 30+ years have been forced to sponsor ONLY IFBB shows since they were the only player in town.  Well now is is another player in town and it appears it is going to make a huge splash in the sponsorship money pool.  There are going to be more IFBB shows happening, giving more fans the opportunity to see more shows without haveing to travel across the country or in the mountains.  

Shows will be exciting and fun for everyone.  The judging will be fair and done by people who really know the industry.  The judges Wayne is securing alone will blow your mind.  Some of the biggest names ever in BB history and the health & fitness industry will be judges.  

You really are going to have to face the facts, the IFBB is going down fast and the PDI will be there to pick up the survivors.

[TheGoldenPrince]

Did Heath? LOL... how the hell should I know.  I am not Darrem and I am not that promoter. I never claimed to know everything about the PDI.  You're the one attacking the promoter and every other detail of a show taht is months away. 

LMAO@this unemployed, obese joke of a loser attacking gainfully employed industry professionals. Why do folks even take this attention-seeking buffoon seriously?