Another IFBB Pro to PDI

[TheGoldenPrince]

Toronto Pro is just the first IFBB show this year to be cancelled.  Their will be moreThe Colorado Pro was far from a success and the competitors will be harder to find next year I promise.  As will the sponsors.  From what heard the space was very small to what was expected as was the turnout.  Sorry but with tightening of budgets and now a new way to use advertising money, the IFBB shows are going to have less and less major sponsors.  Ask Lee's sponsor.

The IFBB supporters need to start realizing that sponsors for the past 30+ years have been forced to sponsor ONLY IFBB shows since they were the only player in town.  Well now is is another player in town and it appears it is going to make a huge splash in the sponsorship money pool.  There are going to be more IFBB shows happening, giving more fans the opportunity to see more shows without haveing to travel across the country or in the mountains.  

Shows will be exciting and fun for everyone.  The judging will be fair and done by people who really know the industry.  The judges Wayne is securing alone will blow your mind.  Some of the biggest names ever in BB history and the health & fitness industry will be judges.  

You really are going to have to face the facts, the IFBB is going down fast and the PDI will be there to pick up the survivors.

LOL, ok "onlyme", an entire international sporting body that has lasted for as long as anybody can remember sinking ship in favour of some unproven new entity that has been "in the works" for at least a couple of years...  Oh brother, not another morbidly obese professional hater clamouring for his day in the sun...

[kmhphoto]

wait, are you talking about the Toronto Pro?  Cause the IFBB gave him a show this year, didn't require the prize $ up front, and then he cancelled, despite doing it in the last 2 years, right?  How come you're not bringing that up?

Yes, despite Winston's efforts he had to cancel the show which was unfortunate for him, the IFBB the athletes. I have no idea why they decided not to require the prize money. One could speculate that as he'd previously held the show with no problems they relaxed their rules?
Speculation but e ven if he had paid the money to the IFBB it would not have made any difference had the show still been cancelled as it would have been returned to Winston?
While the concept is sound it's sometimes difficult for promoters to raise the money so early. They depend on sponsorship inocme and ticket sales to barely beak even.
So it's a Catch 22. Insist on the prize money upfront and lose promoters because they can't raise it, or take a calcullated risk.
What would you do?
Remember, depsite what you think, there are not hoards of people out there prepared to risk promoting shows.

[onlyme]

Well Phil has posted on here that he has.
But you said "and didn't pay Darrem until many months after". As you didn't say that you assumed the payment had been made I thought I'd ask. Thanks for clearing things up. This was another of your attempts to indicate that you had facts when you don't.
Where have I attacked the promoter or "every other detail of a show taht is months away"
I asked why you - even as an emplyeee - are not concerned that the first show held under the PDI banner is being run by someone who has a history of NOT paying the athletes. Isn't that a little but of a PR blunder?

I don't think Phil put on here he got the money.  He posted he reposted the check.  BIG difference.  But, no matter the fact is he got paid 2 weeks after his win.  And how about the other 7 or 8 competitors.  Did they get paid yet.  And so far no one has posted an official copy of the letter from the bank.  Only a typed one which I or anyone can do.  I just find it hard to believe a few of you support the way the IFBB shows are done.  After more than 40 yeas of doing shows you think they would have it down by now.  That is why the PDI will bring a fresh twist on the boring and unorganized shows the IFBB sanction.

And why hasn't anyone answered why the Charlotte Pro (and probably all others) had to deposit the prize money into the IFBB account prior to being granted a sanction yet the Colorado Pro did not.  Why was this done.  So far NO ONE has answered.  In fact this question has been erased numerous times already.

[onlyme]

LOL, ok "onlyme", an entire international sporting body that has lasted for as long as anybody can remember sinking ship in favour of some unproven new entity that has been "in the works" for at least a couple of years...  Oh brother, not another morbidly obese professional hater clamouring for his day in the sun...

Um 8 posts and this punk is an expert.  I have a funny feeling Golden Girl is a gimmic account to support the IFBB.  Sad, sad sad.  Oh, I already had my day in the sun.  Hehehe something you'll never expericence.  No go back to bed

[Bigger Business]

What lie did I tell last time?  Even those that hate me will tell you, I'm pretty honest.

Rob.....the way I interpret your 'honesty' is that you live by the Castanza cliche' of "it's not a lie if you believe it'.

Then when youre proven otherwise you backtrack and manipulate the poor young getbiggers

Personally, its a beautiful thing......you have my blessing

carry on 

[kmhphoto]

Toronto Pro is just the first IFBB show this year to be cancelled.  Their will be moreThe Colorado Pro was far from a success and the competitors will be harder to find next year I promise.  As will the sponsors.  From what heard the space was very small to what was expected as was the turnout.  Sorry but with tightening of budgets and now a new way to use advertising money, the IFBB shows are going to have less and less major sponsors.  Ask Lee's sponsor.

The IFBB supporters need to start realizing that sponsors for the past 30+ years have been forced to sponsor ONLY IFBB shows since they were the only player in town.  Well now is is another player in town and it appears it is going to make a huge splash in the sponsorship money pool.  There are going to be more IFBB shows happening, giving more fans the opportunity to see more shows without haveing to travel across the country or in the mountains.  

Shows will be exciting and fun for everyone.  The judging will be fair and done by people who really know the industry.  The judges Wayne is securing alone will blow your mind.  Some of the biggest names ever in BB history and the health & fitness industry will be judges.  

You really are going to have to face the facts, the IFBB is going down fast and the PDI will be there to pick up the survivors.

Morning Keith - well it is here in the UK

A fine cut and paste from Wayne there mate
Everyone who was at the event was mightily impressed with the job done adn are looking forward to next year as are the promoters the sponsors and the athletes. Even us arch enemies in the pit were commenting on how much we'd enjoeyed it.
So what's your reasoning?
As a fully paid up member of the NUJ I can tell you that "Sources tell us" " A close friend" "An insider: etc etc means "We're making this up"

Looking at the ad for the PDI's first show it's clear that sponsors are taking less interest in sport. Even the promise your promise that "Shows will be exciting and fun for everyone" does not appear to have them flocking at the door. Or is the slim possibility that the "entertainment" of the precious show that only a paedophile would want to see again?
Some of us would rather drown that be part of that.

[TheGoldenPrince]

Um 8 posts and this punk is an expert.  I have a funny feeling Golden Girl is a gimmic account to support the IFBB.  Sad, sad sad.  Oh, I already had my day in the sun.  Hehehe something you'll never expericence.  No go back to bed

Hahaha, so bumming around on your laptop all day and caving in to your gluttony instead of actually bodybuilding like us champions and kings makes you an expert now?  For someone who has already admitted that he "looks like shit", you are doing an awful lot of talking, fat boy. LOL, you already had your day in the sun all right, a corpulent nobody baiting a legend like Shawn as his sole "calling" in life. Now get down and kiss my feet Porky; that is where your place is, under my rule and yoke forever and ever.

[kmhphoto]

I don't think Phil put on here he got the money.  He posted he reposted the check.  BIG difference.  But, no matter the fact is he got paid 2 weeks after his win.  And how about the other 7 or 8 competitors.  Did they get paid yet.  And so far no one has posted an official copy of the letter from the bank.  Only a typed one which I or anyone can do.  I just find it hard to believe a few of you support the way the IFBB shows are done.  After more than 40 yeas of doing shows you think they would have it down by now.  That is why the PDI will bring a fresh twist on the boring and unorganized shows the IFBB sanction.

And why hasn't anyone answered why the Charlotte Pro (and probably all others) had to deposit the prize money into the IFBB account prior to being granted a sanction yet the Colorado Pro did not.  Why was this done.  So far NO ONE has answered.  In fact this question has been erased numerous times already.

I stand corrected about Phil's payment.
I agree that it is wrong that his payment was delayed but as it was due to a mistake by the bank Phil and the other athletes will be able to recoup any monies lost from the bank.
2 weeks is not a long time for athletes to wait for their money, I know a few years back athletes on the European tour had to wait months for payment. Even the promoter in the UK would have them wait for ages. This was before Kerry Kayes ran the shows. Who was it now? Oh yes, Wayne DeMillia.

Ultimately the only people who have a tenuous right to demand why some promoters are asked for the prize money up front while others are not are prospective promoters?

[TheGoldenPrince]

Um 8 posts and this punk is an expert.  I have a funny feeling Golden Girl is a gimmic account to support the IFBB.  Sad, sad sad.  Oh, I already had my day in the sun.  Hehehe something you'll never expericence.  No go back to bed

Hehehe, maybe the PDI is the only avenue where out-of-shape losers like yourself can secure employment.  

[kmhphoto]

Hahaha, so bumming around on your laptop all day and caving in to your gluttony instead of actually bodybuilding like us champions and kings makes you an expert now?  For someone who has already admitted that he "looks like shit", you are doing an awful lot of talking, fat boy. LOL, you already had your day in the sun all right, a corpulent nobody baiting a legend like Shawn as his sole "calling" in life. Now get down and kiss my feet Porky; that is where your place is, under my rule and yoke forever and ever.

Keith,
When I first read this I thought he was reffering to me!
Sorry to admit I was relieved when I realised it wasn't

[brianX]

Hahaha, so bumming around on your laptop all day and caving in to your gluttony instead of actually bodybuilding like us champions and kings makes you an expert now?  For someone who has already admitted that he "looks like shit", you are doing an awful lot of talking, fat boy. LOL, you already had your day in the sun all right, a corpulent nobody baiting a legend like Shawn as his sole "calling" in life. Now get down and kiss my feet Porky; that is where your place is, under my rule and yoke forever and ever.

Hi Shawn

[kmhphoto]

Hehehe, maybe the PDI is the only avenue where out-of-shape losers like yourself can secure employment.  

I'm not sure that Keith is an employee. 240 is.

[timfogarty]

LOL, ok "onlyme", an entire international sporting body that has lasted for as long as anybody can remember

first, the pro IFBB is different than the amateur IFBB.  but both have really only been around in their current form since 1964.  That's when the amateur side actually formed an international contest.  And that's when the pro side started having the Olympia.  The amateur side seems to be doing ok and will probably survive.  The pro side is hardly international, as other than one in Australia and one in Toronto (and not even that one anymore), there hasn't been a show outside the US for a while.

But the fact of the matter is that nothing is constant in business.  Businesses come and go all the time.   The IFBB is a business, privately held.

Bob Hoffmand and the AAU were the dominate force in bodybuilding from 1940 to the early to mid 1970s.  The decline of the AAU and the rise of the IFBB correlates well with the decline in health of Bob Hoffman.  Joe Weider has already retired and is out of the picture.   We'll have to see whether the pro IFBB survives its founders.

[TheGoldenPrince]

first, the pro IFBB is different than the amateur IFBB.  but both have really only been around in their current form since 1964.  That's when the amateur side actually formed an international contest.  And that's when the pro side started having the Olympia.  The amateur side seems to be doing ok and will probably survive.  The pro side is hardly international, as other than one in Australia and one in Toronto (and not even that one anymore), there hasn't been a show outside the US for a while.

But the fact of the matter is that nothing is constant in business.  Businesses come and go all the time.   The IFBB is a business, privately held.

Bob Hoffmand and the AAU were the dominate force in bodybuilding from 1940 to the early to mid 1970s.  The decline of the AAU and the rise of the IFBB correlates well with the decline in health of Bob Hoffman.  Joe Weider has already retired and is out of the picture.   We'll have to see whether the pro IFBB survives its founders.

Aah yes, thanks for that Tim; I may be competing in the IFBB Universe (World Amateur Championships) one day myself. That competition alone has seen the nurturing of legends like Robby, Mentzer and even Big Ron.

[timfogarty]

Aah yes, thanks for that Tim; I may be competing in the IFBB Universe (World Amateur Championships) one day myself. That competition alone has seen the nurturing of legends like Robby, Mentzer and even Big Ron.

better be natural.  the rules state 3 years drug free.

[TheGoldenPrince]

I'm not sure that Keith is an employee. 240 is.

I stand corrected then. 240 is quite obviously simply a rundown loser but if Keith is not an employee, what is this rotund buffoon's deal then? A bitter failure who could not quite make it in any BB arena?

[mikediesel]

Golden Prince = Shawn "tranny" Ray

[Platz]

I stand corrected then. 240 is quite obviously simply a rundown loser but if Keith is not an employee, what is this rotund buffoon's deal then? A bitter failure who could not quite make it in any BB arena?

Shawn, why are using a gimmick account? 

[getfast81]

What has the source of the poster got to do with it?
Amazing how someone with zero experience of the business suddenly knows so much about the demand levels.
As for Pumoping Iron, consider this. Had Arnold not gone on to become a movie superstar, would it be as popular?

The O will continue being a success. Technical problems from last year will be addressed. Biggest prize money available. As for the PPV I'm glad it's gone. Waste of money. Theatre is great. If you don't like the hotel, there are others. Though as you aren't going what concern is it of yours?  The Expo will be great.
Whoever is the sponsor next year doesn;t matter, as long as the O's on, athletes are making money.

Sorry Kev gotta jump in here.  The O will be awful.  No PPV?  Complete bullshit.  I live on the east coast and I am not going to Vegas no time soon and I have ordered the last 3 Os on PPV.  I suffered through last years production and watching that jackass drop half a ton on himself.  The pathetic challenge round which was the main waste of money on the card.  I suffered for 40 bucks.  And then I got to see Gustavo "gay for pay"  Badell pose around like a monkey and another Ronnie vs Jay classic showdown.  We all could use an alternative.  Damn how much more could you suck up to the Weiders?  240 is right, two old men just want to see a legacy "UNFOLD".  Bullshit.

[kmhphoto]

Sorry Kev gotta jump in here.  The O will be awful.  No PPV?  Complete bullshit.  I live on the east coast and I am not going to Vegas no time soon and I have ordered the last 3 Os on PPV.  I suffered through last years production and watching that jackass drop half a ton on himself.  The pathetic challenge round which was the main waste of money on the card.  I suffered for 40 bucks.  And then I got to see Gustavo "gay for pay"  Badell pose around like a monkey and another Ronnie vs Jay classic showdown.  We all could use an alternative.  Damn how much more could you suck up to the Weiders?  240 is right, two old men just want to see a legacy "UNFOLD".  Bullshit.

So based on your previous experience are you saying you're pleased there's no PPV or not?
I agree about the bench press, too risky to try live. The Challenge Rounds have been an attempt make the show more interesting but unfortunatley didn't work out as hoped.
I know the people working behind the scenes at the O are doing everything they can to ensure it's a success for the fans and athletes.
Not sure what you mean about Gustavo's routine but I'll respect your interpretation.
How is the legacy unfolding?
240 complains about the Olympia but he's never been to one just like the majoruty of the complainers on here.
So it got moved from the Mandallay. Good, the place went down hill rapidly over the last few years it was held there and most people who went to the O while it was there, chose to stay elsewhere.
Don't like the Orleans, great, don't stay there. Choose one of the other hotels in the area. There's quite a few I believe?
Now I agree that having the expo in a different venue is a bit awkward but right now there's no alternative. I'd suggest staying at the Hilton so you're close to the Expo then taking a cab ride over to the venue, which is far superior to the Mandallay's.
Or you could do what 240 does and sit at home and watch it on the computer and bitch and moan about production values, Bob's commentary, the IFBB suck, when did the cheques clear, etc etc. while he's on the phone to his boss - Wayne - sucking up.

[240 is Back]

GoldenShowerPrince- In this argument, you're not worthy of a response unless 1) you've been here for a while or 2) you identify yourself. 

You're obviously a regular, disguising youself.  If not, reveal yourself before getting involved.

And this argument is boring as hell.  Instead of talking about thw $150,000 that Wayne is pumping into the athlete's pockets this Sept/Oct, Horton wants to talk about whether the Orlando promoter can pay athletes in a show that doesn't pay money! (it's an amateur show he's running- there are no prize monies that I know of!)

Bottom line, the PDI is bringing in money.  It's plainly obvious that anyone who wants to question everything they do, that this person is obviously trying to make nice with IFBB brass.   And it's selfish- athletes deserve more money and if Horton has his way, they won't be seeing it

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

LMAO@this unemployed, obese joke of a loser attacking gainfully employed industry professionals. Why do folks even take this attention-seeking buffoon seriously?

Yes, I think 240 is an attention whore and I remember him ripping into me and my business a long time ago as well as today since I'm against the PDI.  However I certainly cannot deny his web skills as I've had him design some banners for me which paid off big time when I used them for my Ebay ads. 


I just hope he takes my advice on running a business

[240 is Back]

Yes, I think 240 is an attention whore and I remember him ripping into me and my business a long time ago as well as today since I'm against the PDI.  However I certainly cannot deny his web skills as I've had him design some banners for me which paid off big time when I used them for my Ebay ads. 


I just hope he takes my advice on running a business

Yeah, I think we're in agreement.  I do respect the business you run, and I do try to learn from you.  You are a former client and I"m not attacking your work there.   Real life and business are separate

I am, however, going at you for monster allegience to the sinking IFBB ship.  And since I think you are just a little bit crazy, I'll be going at your for that too

[LuciusFox]

 Why don't we just wait and see what happens?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Yeah, I think we're in agreement.  I do respect the business you run, and I do try to learn from you.  You are a former client and I"m not attacking your work there.   Real life and business are separate

I am, however, going at you for monster allegience to the sinking IFBB ship.  And since I think you are just a little bit crazy, I'll be going at your for that too

I don't believe the IFBB is sinking because I see things getting better.  I think the PDI is unproven and I haven't seen anything that would think it would not suffer the same fate as the WBF.  I think it will hurt a lot of amateurs who may decide to compete and it will practically end the careers of the IFBB pros.  Wayne is partially responsible for the humilation the returning athletes from the WBF and forced them to do a skit where they came out from some coffins so I find it for a weird twist of fate. 


Who knows