Another IFBB Pro to PDI

[Hedgehog]

Why did the IFBB higher-ups allow such a tyrant to ruin their organization for 20 years?  Why did his bosses allow such terrible conduct without ever stopping him?  Very strange that we only hear of how evil he was once he starts a competing organization.  While he was making the Weiders and manion a fortune, he was a saint. Then, when he's fleecing the marketable guys, suddenly there are so many bad things to say.

If he was so bad, why did the IFBB let him run everything for 20 years?

I always thought DeMilia was a jerk, and responsible for shafting Shawn, Cormier, Levrone and Wheeler out of winning the Olympia. Since he was responsible for that VERY show.

And lots of others on this board has taken shots at DeMilia over the years as well. This was maybe before you arrived to Getbig, since DeMilia was active in the IFBB a few years ago.

But to state that there never was any critisism towards DeMilia as long as he was in the IFBB... That's just not true.

Look back at Olympia press conferences, and then tell me if Shawn Ray is kissing Wayne DeMilia's ass.

DeMilia may have changed. I doubt it. But lets give him the benefit of a doubt.

Don't however put out some shit about there never was critisism towards DeMilia.

Nig, please.

YIP
Zack

[240 is Back]

What I meant-

who was it that said 'now that demilia is gone, the ifbb is trying to rebuild'?

DeMilia promoted events, did all the legwork, and was a prick to a lot of people, that seems to be a pretty widely accepted fact.  BUT it was based upon the policy of the IFBB.  Otherwise, the weiders and others in power would have removed him.  Nobody can have such a high profile for 20 years- coupled with plenty of public bitching about him- without their bosses knowing just about everything that happens.  Whatever wayne did, the IFBB condoned or closed its eyes to, or he wouldn't have been there 20 years. 

So the absolute WORST that wayne can be is EQUAL to the IFBB.  And, since I care about more shows, more money, and better deals for athletes, it doesn't concern me as much ANY bbing org holding a monopoly.  If and when the IFBB is killed and PDI is supreme, I'll be trying to help the next renegade org. get off its feet.  Monopolies suck.

[kmhphoto]

Makes no sense.  A guy is putting on 5 shows, and saying he doesn't care if you compete in the IFBB too.

A guy is putting 150k out there for pro BBers to win.

And it's not the athletes complaining- it's photographers.  LMAO...

He also said he had arranged yearly health screening for his athletes but that was proven to be a lie, but you say nothing about that?
Contrast that to what you would say if Bob's announcement had been false.
Where is the 150K he's putting out there. Only if he can find three promoters in Europe will there be anything like that amount of money.

You're not an athlete but you're always complaining about the NPC and IFBB.

[240 is Back]

He also said he had arranged yearly health screening for his athletes but that was proven to be a kie, but you say nothing about that?
Contrast that to what you would say if Bob's announcement had been false.
Where is the 150K he's putting out there. Only if he can find three promoters in Europe will there be abything like tjat amount of money.

You're not an athlete but you're always complaining about the NPC and IFBB.

I build websites for athletes.  The better they do, the better I do.  Plus it's fun to see a sport I like grow instead of dying.

I could care less from where the $150k comes.  Wayne can pay it, promoters can, it doesn't matter.  It's a private company, Kev.  It's okay with you that Gilette hasn't released their Dec 2006 numbers yet, right?  So why does it matter if Wayne's private company doesn't tell Mr Horton everything?

And there is a reason that the health info is not known.  Athletes will be taken care of.  I would tell you, but I don't know that I can trust you not to spread it, Kev, as some unscrupulous ppl might try to ruin things.  But I can pretty confidently say that the PDI guys will receive yearly checkups. 

[Ronnie Rep]

 In this so called "Land of Opportunity" people should be thrilled to have another
 Bodybuilding Federation or Bodybuilding Division in which to provide entertainment for fans, and an opportunity for Bodybuilders to get a bigger piece of the pie.  

[sgt. d]

What I meant-

who was it that said 'now that demilia is gone, the ifbb is trying to rebuild'?

DeMilia promoted events, did all the legwork, and was a prick to a lot of people, that seems to be a pretty widely accepted fact.  BUT it was based upon the policy of the IFBB.  Otherwise, the weiders and others in power would have removed him.  Nobody can have such a high profile for 20 years- coupled with plenty of public bitching about him- without their bosses knowing just about everything that happens.  Whatever wayne did, the IFBB condoned or closed its eyes to, or he wouldn't have been there 20 years. 

So the absolute WORST that wayne can be is EQUAL to the IFBB.  And, since I care about more shows, more money, and better deals for athletes, it doesn't concern me as much ANY bbing org holding a monopoly.  If and when the IFBB is killed and PDI is supreme, I'll be trying to help the next renegade org. get off its feet.  Monopolies suck.

240 STFU already!!!!! You know nothing. How many lies are you going to tell on this site?   Also you claim you had  a disease so we can feel sorry for you. You give out personal info of people who join your cheap ass web site. Oh yeah them websites you make is a piece of shyt.I dont think using the same outline for each person website is a smart idea.BISH PLEASE

Onlyme -if you dont like this site or anything related to bodybuilding then why are you here? you trash all the pros and contest, and just about everything.You are getting as bad as 240. your true colors are starting to show that you are an clown. Damn that spider bite really did something to your brain

[kmhphoto]

I build websites for athletes.  The better they do, the better I do.  Plus it's fun to see a sport I like grow instead of dying.

I could care less from where the $150k comes.  Wayne can pay it, promoters can, it doesn't matter.  It's a private company, Kev.  It's okay with you that Gilette hasn't released their Dec 2006 numbers yet, right?  So why does it matter if Wayne's private company doesn't tell Mr Horton everything?

And there is a reason that the health info is not known.  Athletes will be taken care of.  I would tell you, but I don't know that I can trust you not to spread it, Kev, as some unscrupulous ppl might try to ruin things.  But I can pretty confidently say that the PDI guys will receive yearly checkups. 

I'm not asking to see anyones financial papers. You said that WAYNE is putting $150K out there. He's not. At the moment the only show there are any details of - apart from a date - is the NOC. The Toronto show was cancelled due to the lack of sponsorship. The PDI seems to have zero sponsors so it's possoble that will fo the same way.
Wayne hasn't been too succesful in promoting these days - look at his event in Chicago.

I'm not talking about any possible new health care arrangement, I brought up the one the PDI claimed to have made in one of their first press releases. It was a lie, There never was an arrangement.
How can anyone be expected to believe there is one now?

[sgt. d]

I build websites for athletes.  The better they do, the better I do.  Plus it's fun to see a sport I like grow instead of dying.

I could care less from where the $150k comes.  Wayne can pay it, promoters can, it doesn't matter.  It's a private company, Kev.  It's okay with you that Gilette hasn't released their Dec 2006 numbers yet, right?  So why does it matter if Wayne's private company doesn't tell Mr Horton everything?

And there is a reason that the health info is not known.  Athletes will be taken care of.  I would tell you, but I don't know that I can trust you not to spread it, Kev, as some unscrupulous ppl might try to ruin things.  But I can pretty confidently say that the PDI guys will receive yearly checkups. 

them elementary school websites  

your local crack head could set them websites up

you are an idiot, cant you see or is your bf sauce covering up your eyes







ps. send me a copy of that book how to gain 90 pounds of fat

[Hedgehog]

240 STFU already!!!!! You know nothing. How many lies are you going to tell on this site? You cheated on your "made up wife" on this site. What married man would come on this site and hit on women and post naked pics of other women?  Also you claim you had  a disease so we can feel sorry for you. You give out personal info of people who join your cheap ass web site. Oh yeah them websites you make is a piece of shyt.I dont think using the same outline for each person website is a smart idea.BISH PLEASE

Onlyme -if you dont like this site or anything related to bodybuilding then why are you here? you trash all the pros and contest, and just about everything.You are getting as bad as 240. your true colors are starting to show that you are an clown. Damn that spider bite really did something to your brain

If PDI goes well, it's good for the athletes.

There are some questions to be answered though. Time will tell.

What connection has onlyme to the PDI? Some people are suggesting that he is connected to it in some way?

YIP
Zack

[240 is Back]

anyone be expected to believe there is one now?

What athletes did Wayne have last time?

[240 is Back]

What connection has onlyme to the PDI? Some people are suggesting that he is connected to it in some way?

Spring 2007 PDI Hawaii Classic.

[sgt. d]

So now you care about the pros? You do websites for them but bash them later, and is known for giving out people personal info when you get into a argument with them. Talk about bad business

[Hedgehog]

Spring 2007 PDI Hawaii Classic.

Are you kidding?



I hope the contest goes well for him. I really do.

But what's with all the negative onslaught on the IFBB? That's gonna work against him IMHO.


YIP
Zack

[240 is Back]

So now you care about the pros? You do websites for them but bash them later, and is known for giving out people personal info when you get into a argument with them. Talk about bad business

You're very incorrect.

I'm very good about keeping personal info private.  You are incorrect.  After Cheri Lane, a very happy client insulted my wife, business, etc, and dared me to diss her back, I did, but only using info that was readily available to X-boarders and delivered to me by an X-board member who had collected it.  I know very little info about my clients, and I don't know anything about Arvilla or Cheri, other than what has been posted on the boards by them.  

She was pissed I was calling mike out for leg training, so she insulted my wife.  She trashed my business, posted lot of my pics.  Dared me to retaliate.  I showed her the personal shit the other member had found, and she accused me of stuff.    I have 4 saved PMs where I begged her to end it, that I apologize, that it should end, and she continued to beg me to fight back.  And when I did, she acted all violated.  

Take form it what you want.  I have worked with 75 clients since Nov, and ONE of them got mad at message board physique critique drama, six months AFTER being a very vocally happy customer.  The other 74 did not.  Interpret it how you want.  I stand by my very strong privacy policy, and it's pretty obvious from the fact that every post you make under sgt.d account trashes me, so what else would I epxect but lies from you?

[240 is Back]

Are you kidding?

I hope the contest goes well for him. I really do.

But what's with all the negative onslaught on the IFBB? That's gonna work against him IMHO.

Yes, I'm kidding, but only half.  Rumors are all over the place, and I'm very careful to only repeat what I'm asked to repeat/share.  keith has promotional experience, and is way more privy to the info side of the PDI than anyone I know, myself included.  I don't want to know more than I need to- who has time?  I like the steady clients and the entertainment it brings.  And, the fact that it'll make for better pro BBing.

[sgt. d]

You're very incorrect.

I'm very good about keeping personal info private.  You are incorrect.  After Cheri Lane, a very happy client insulted my wife, business, etc, and dared me to diss her back, I did, but only using info that was readily available to X-boarders and delivered to me by an X-board member who had collected it.  I know very little info about my clients, and I don't know anything about Arvilla or Cheri, other than what has been posted on the boards by them.  

She was pissed I was calling mike out for leg training, so she insulted my wife.  She trashed my business, posted lot of my pics.  Dared me to retaliate.  I showed her the personal shit the other member had found, and she accused me of stuff.    I have 4 saved PMs where I begged her to end it, that I apologize, that it should end, and she continued to beg me to fight back.  And when I did, she acted all violated.  

Take form it what you want.  I have worked with 75 clients since Nov, and ONE of them got mad at message board physique critique drama, six months AFTER being a very vocally happy customer.  The other 74 did not.  Interpret it how you want.  I stand by my very strong privacy policy, and it's pretty obvious from the fact that every post you make under sgt.d account trashes me, so what else would I epxect but lies from you?

yes we all know that you never lie on here

what was i thinking when i typed that 

[240 is Back]

yes we all know that you never lie on here
what was i thinking when i typed that 

Hey, no offense, but I took screenshots in case people didn't believe.  I was continually bashed- I emailed mike, PMed them, tried calling, begging them to stop. I even apologized for the argument and tried to end it. Continuous bashing on my wife continued, and really, I was tired of it.  I showed ROn what I had, he told me not to launch it, and I didn't.  But he did call for a truce, which lasted until the next time I spoke to mike and cheri didn't like it, when she continued the fight. this time, i ignored her.

most here will agree, i have been a real A-hole in the past, but I don't try to do that anymore.  I fight with chick,shawn, and lift, sure.  They don't want the PDI and I do.  But I have neither the time nor energy to have flame wars anymore.   I'll let the world make their decision on who they believe- my screenshots and 74 happy clients, or one lady who was very happy til I critiqued her hubby's physique.  Whatever.

[240 is Back]

Don't however put out some shit about there never was critisism towards DeMilia.

re-reading your post-

I meant there was no criticisms from ABOVE in the IFBB.  Many athletes complained.  But I meant, if Ben and Jim et al were indeed being held down by Wayne, if he was the only prick on the team, he wouldn't have lasted 20 years in the IFBB.   He did what they wanted, period.  Sure, he may have enjoyed it, I dunno, or he may have hated playing the bad guy.  But they liked him enough to pay him well for 20 years of work. 

[onlyme]

He also said he had arranged yearly health screening for his athletes but that was proven to be a lie, but you say nothing about that?
Contrast that to what you would say if Bob's announcement had been false.
Where is the 150K he's putting out there. Only if he can find three promoters in Europe will there be anything like that amount of money.

You're not an athlete but you're always complaining about the NPC and IFBB.

Kevin Kevin Kevin, come on now.  Other than Chic, I bet not one IFBB pro has the insurance CHic supposedly setup.  Come on.   He has shows in Europe scheduled.  You are so funny.  You are IFBB through and through to the very end aren't you.  That's loyalty but it's also your demise.  Sit back and watch the show grow.  Then you and Issac can come back and apoligize. 

[onlyme]

240 STFU already!!!!! You know nothing. How many lies are you going to tell on this site? You cheated on your "made up wife" on this site. What married man would come on this site and hit on women and post naked pics of other women?  Also you claim you had  a disease so we can feel sorry for you. You give out personal info of people who join your cheap ass web site. Oh yeah them websites you make is a piece of shyt.I dont think using the same outline for each person website is a smart idea.BISH PLEASE

Onlyme -if you dont like this site or anything related to bodybuilding then why are you here? you trash all the pros and contest, and just about everything.You are getting as bad as 240. your true colors are starting to show that you are an clown. Damn that spider bite really did something to your brain

Excuse who are you.  Sgt d.  What is your real name and a pic please.  Without it you are just another 17 year old who will be on here more and more now that school is out.  Son, I can pretty much bet that I have taken more shits in gyms than days you've have worked out.  You know nothing about BB.  When you can even come close to what I have done then you can open your piehole.  And even then, only to agree with whatever i tell you. 

It funny that some guys think I hate on the IFBB, Manion, Weiders, and Sean.  I really don't call it hate when evrything I say is absolutely true.  The thing you guys are used to, is shoving the shit you hear under the carpet and forget about it.  Well I don't.  Cause no definite answer has been given.  Once the questions have been answered in full I go on.  Like the check for Phil.  Sure it got redeposited on Monday but that doesn't mean it cleared.  And there were 9 more checks out there.  You guys who chose to ignore this crap really don't have much going for you.

See unlike every single person on here excluding 2 I am willing to put more money and time into another show cause I like BB.  See instead of bad mouthing people on here abut things I know nothing about, I actually go out and do something about it.  See I walk the walk and talk the talk.  So, battling me on any level is a losing experience and waste of time for you.  What I say I say out of knowledge and knowing people who tell me things cause they are afraid too.  It is pretty evident I am not afraid to say anything and I can back up everything I say and do. 

[onlyme]

Onlyme -if you dont like this site or anything related to bodybuilding then why are you here? you trash all the pros and contest, and just about everything.You are getting as bad as 240. your true colors are starting to show that you are an clown. Damn that spider bite really did something to your brain

Please show me anywhere that I bash a bodybuilder.  Just once.  Sean is not a bodybuilder anymore, and where do I bash him when he was a BB.  In fact there are plenty of times I have said on here how much I like his body.  I have said it numerous time how great his body WAS.  I only point out his other non-attributes.  I have nevrr bashed Chic either in regards to BB.  Quit making shit up Sgt. Dickhead.  And bashing shows.  I was giving Sean allot of tips.  In fact since you are talking out of your ass, I also set him up with his military connection in Colorado.  Nothing I have said about any show or Sean is made up.  I strictly state facts or want answers to certain questions.  IN fact I even said the Colorado Pro was great for the fans and competitors it just wasn't a money maker.  So son again get your facts straight cause youjust embarassed yourself.  Now go tell mommy what you just did and hope she doesn't take away you computer priveledges.

[TheGoldenPrince]

GoldenShowerPrince- In this argument, you're not worthy of a response unless 1) you've been here for a while or 2) you identify yourself. 

You're obviously a regular, disguising youself.  If not, reveal yourself before getting involved.

And this argument is boring as hell.  Instead of talking about thw $150,000 that Wayne is pumping into the athlete's pockets this Sept/Oct, Horton wants to talk about whether the Orlando promoter can pay athletes in a show that doesn't pay money! (it's an amateur show he's running- there are no prize monies that I know of!)

Bottom line, the PDI is bringing in money.  It's plainly obvious that anyone who wants to question everything they do, that this person is obviously trying to make nice with IFBB brass.   And it's selfish- athletes deserve more money and if Horton has his way, they won't be seeing it

Someone post the mighty most "pubescular" pic! Rob, you have already been owned too many times in the past it isn't even funny. A fat mound of turd baiting actual BBs like Shawn & Bob?? Now go milk your mountainous flabby titties somewhere will you? The PDI is targeted to bring in money yes but nothing has been proven as of yet. The IFBB on the other hand has been around ever since kids like you were even on this planet; just what is wrong with mentioning the facts? You are the sodding obese clown trying to ingratiate yourself with this upcoming dummy organisation...

[WOOO]

is it just me, or are all recent threads turning into "240 exposed"?

[kmhphoto]

Kevin Kevin Kevin, come on now.  Other than Chic, I bet not one IFBB pro has the insurance CHic supposedly setup.  Come on.   He has shows in Europe scheduled.  You are so funny.  You are IFBB through and through to the very end aren't you.  That's loyalty but it's also your demise.  Sit back and watch the show grow.  Then you and Issac can come back and apoligize. 

Well Keith, at least Bob's was a genuine arrangement. He can't force other athletes to take part. Unfortunatley the PDI's was a figment of your Boss's imagaination. Much like the Euro tour. No venues, no sponsors, no promoters.
Looks like Press Release No 13 will be a sad one?

"The PDI has a plan and we are sticking to it, there is no need to rush things, we are taking things at our own pace and so the 2006 NOC and Euro tour has been delayed until 2007. We will be releasing details of the other 35 shows we have planned for next year in a forthcoming press release."

[bigdumbbell]

what was the part about mclean hospital, isn't that a part of Massachusetts General Hospital?