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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2006, 11:45:43 PM »
Are Titus & Ryan suspended from the IFBB?


Cause if not, that would mean that standing on DeMilia's stage is, in their book, worse than burning your own car with a torture victim inside then bragging about it to your friends. Allegedly.  Oh, and MSNBC won't be covering the 'Priest Saga'.

Titus and Ryan haven't been actually convicted of a anything yet.  I thought it was innocent until proven guilty in the US.  Trial by media seems to be the new American way.

When and IF Lee steps on the NOC stage he with have proven himself in comtempt of the IFBB rules.  Titus and Ryan have yet to have that shown.

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2006, 11:52:27 PM »
Titus and Ryan haven't been actually convicted of a anything yet.  I thought it was innocent until proven guilty in the US.  Trial by media seems to be the new American way.

I don't have my IFBB rulebook handy.  is there something in there about embarassing the sport?  I don't know how it is in other sports, but many companies will kindly *allow* you to take a leave of absense after you're caught on walmart cameras buying kerosene which ended up burning a car full of personal assistant 30 minutes later...

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2006, 01:31:34 AM »
I don't have my IFBB rulebook handy.  is there something in there about embarassing the sport?  I don't know how it is in other sports, but many companies will kindly *allow* you to take a leave of absense after you're caught on walmart cameras buying kerosene which ended up burning a car full of personal assistant 30 minutes later...
A few girls got banned in the early 80's for doing playboy stuff

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« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2006, 01:31:43 AM »
I was thinking a little about this the other day,

Particularly about Bob's idea of how the professional athlete is/should be treated.

It came to me that Bob was talking shit.  Normally I don't think Bob talks all that much shit but he got it wrong when he suggested that shittalking does not happen in other sports.  Thats a hilarious idea.  Go to any sport game with a ball and you'll be overcome by the haters.  There are haters everywhere.  Most of the crowd are haters.  They're biased, they don't see sense and basically they want you to get your head knocked off if you are not on their team. :)

Perhaps Bob is unaware of the multitudes of soccer players who have received death threats due to their performances or the players who have actually been killed as a result.  When you compare that to this lowly board where people make a few jibes here it puts it in perspective. ::)

I'm not endorsing some of the things said here, I'm just pointing out oh humble "iron warrior" that if you're getting your knickers in a twist over some text you certainly wouldn't have the mettle to stand on a field and cop people talking about your race/wife/looks etc from the sidelines.

Still, there is always the Eric Cantona method...

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« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2006, 01:36:53 AM »
in america we like to do everything bigger and better.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1927380


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Re: Abusing athletes...
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2006, 01:45:00 AM »
Cantona was very Kung Fu.

Gained lots of respect from fans for kicking the shit out of that loudmouth too, for some reason.

Joga Bonito!

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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2006, 01:48:45 AM »
It's good to see people are taking this thread so seriously, because it was meant to be a serious thread, if it's alright for guys like the picture below to represent the industry, it just tells me that no one, the IFBB officials and the "athletes rep" included gives a shit.............




I definitely think IFBB should look into it. I agree with you in this case, no doubt.

But it should not be the Athlete Rep. The Athlete Rep is representing the BB's.

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« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2006, 01:52:09 AM »
Bob made the IFBB's position very clear about what will happen to Lee & Vince when they do the NOC.  They are breaking an IFBB rule, and he assured us that there are NO EXCEPTIONS made for athletes who break the IFBB's rules. Fair enough.

My Q is, what does the IFBB rulebook say about professional conduct?  I know there are several top IFBB ladies who do pornographic movies, as well as other IFBB guys who do carry themselves in society in a less than professional manner.

Bob, will the IFBB only be selectively enforcing the rulebook this fall? 

And to the legal minds around here- does lee have a case?  Pretend Lee sues the IFBB for banning him from the O.  He says that X does porn or Y threatened someone with assault.  Both violations of the same rulebook punishing lee.  Can a nonprofit org selectievly enforce its rules?  I'm serious here, I don't know.

In what way is it not professional to star in pornographic movies?

This is a serious question.

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2006, 06:45:51 AM »
What about holding promoters accountable for their poor taste in productions - ala 2004 NOC?

http://www.getbig.com/pics/noc/2004/strip.htm

Shit, I've never seen that. Yes, definatly hold the promoters accountable, there's kids in the audiance and even one on stage!!!!!!!!!!

After seeing that, to help keep the industry legit, I think the promotors should run their production plans through the IFBB before going on with the show. Surely there has to be someone in the IFBB with some morals that can make decisions reguarding production. Hell, Jim Manion has kids....ask him if he would want his children watching something like that!!

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Re: Abusing athletes...
« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2006, 09:08:57 AM »
I am glad Barry Bonds doesn't have to put up with the abuse that pro BBers do!

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« Reply #60 on: June 14, 2006, 09:32:41 AM »
Dear Friends
Kind regards

Sportsmen and women are doing what most of us dream of and when they don't give 100% we have a right to be fucked off.
Death threats may be a bit much but surely that wouild encourage sports stars to try harder?
Yours thankfully
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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #61 on: June 14, 2006, 09:42:00 AM »
What about holding promoters accountable for their poor taste in productions - ala 2004 NOC?

http://www.getbig.com/pics/noc/2004/strip.htm

Wow, words don't really do this justice.


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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #62 on: June 14, 2006, 09:52:55 AM »
Wow, words don't really do this justice.



Now you know why I bitch so much about ethics in bodybuilding and why the mainstream or even most of the fans themselves don't take this industry seriously. I took my kid to the Ironman thinking he would see what a professional bodybuilding show was like, needless to say I didn't expect Rodney St. Cloud and Kai Green doing a gay chippindales skit!!

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #63 on: June 14, 2006, 11:10:52 AM »
I think the IFBB and its "athletes" rep should hold their athletes accountable, but how would you even begin to do that.  Unlike most other sports, the shady characters are the norm and the ones running things, not the minority.  Its a sport that accepts and is supported by heavy drug use, gay for pay, and snake oil supplement companies.  Most of the athletes promote an unhealthy lifestyle and lack any kind of charisma, talent, or potential for mainstream endorsements and fans. 

Bob's just a company man, who lacks any real authority to enact change.  Thats not completely his fault either, its the nature of his industry, most bber's won't step up to support any action he would take.  However, he should make a push for IFBB pro's to conduct themselves in a professional manner.  King made himself look like a fool, which is something many pro's do and it only makes the sport and IFBB look bad.  My guess is that King will stay quiet/off the boards for a while, he knows he made an ass of himself.  I highly doubt he has a PI on Rob, and his lawsuit claims are pure bs.

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2006, 11:20:35 AM »
Now you know why I bitch so much about ethics in bodybuilding and why the mainstream or even most of the fans themselves don't take this industry seriously. I took my kid to the Ironman thinking he would see what a professional bodybuilding show was like, needless to say I didn't expect Rodney St. Cloud and Kai Green doing a gay chippindales skit!!

Well,

I'm not going to tell you how to raise your son...

But look at it this way:

Better for him to see that shit when you were there to explain what the hellz was going on (yeah, like you COULD.. LOL), than for him to come across it by accident on his own.

Don't have any regrets bro. Seems like you're a cool dad, trying to do the right thing.

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #65 on: June 14, 2006, 11:29:13 AM »
I think the IFBB and its "athletes" rep should hold their athletes accountable, but how would you even begin to do that. 


Simple, You sanction and/or suspend the "athlete" and if they refuse to comply or have re-occuring incedinces, then set higher boundries such as a ban for 6mos, 1 year or 2 years from competing or guest posing at an NPC event or whatever plus sanctions. If they want to appeal, then the Federation must form an appeals board.

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #66 on: June 14, 2006, 11:52:56 AM »
If the IFBB followed their own rules that they setup there would be no bodybuilders left to compete.  Those rules were placed to satisfy the legal part of setting up the Federation.  They basically don't mean a thing unless they chose to enforce them.

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #67 on: June 14, 2006, 12:03:13 PM »
Keep the porn in the porn industry and the bodybuilding in the bodybuilding industry...simple as that. If a pro is caught doing porn or posing in provocative positions fine and suspend them, clean up the industry and make it more appealing and legit. As for actors and actresses, you cannot compare that to the bodybuilding industry and believe it or not SAG and AFTRA also have an guidelines that the actors have to follow. If your going to call bodybuilding a "sport" then treat it as such.......HOLD THE "ATHLETES" ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS!

oh, lets create of board of censorship.  why dont you move to iran or cuba where they have rules like that?

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #68 on: June 14, 2006, 12:10:01 PM »
What they do on stage is one thing.

What they do off stage is another.

The only problem is that IFBB has been holding double standards for so long. A bodybuilder shouldn't have to deal with someone telling him or her to disclose his/her sexuality.

In regards to doing porn and such, they should absolutely be allowed to such things. But do not bring anything like that on a bodybuilding stage.

The NYC show was a total disgrace. A low mark in BB.

Competitive bodybuilding, male or female, isn't supposed to be sexy. It's supposed to be impressive.

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #69 on: June 14, 2006, 12:28:15 PM »
Simple, You sanction and/or suspend the "athlete" and if they refuse to comply or have re-occuring incedinces, then set higher boundries such as a ban for 6mos, 1 year or 2 years from competing or guest posing at an NPC event or whatever plus sanctions. If they want to appeal, then the Federation must form an appeals board.

From the procedural standpoint it would be easy to enforce, but I was looking at the same way onlyme is......if they decided to enforce the rules there would be no bodybuilders left, they would all be suspended and it would be the end of the IFBB.

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #70 on: June 14, 2006, 12:31:40 PM »
oh, lets create of board of censorship.  why dont you move to iran or cuba where they have rules like that?

I didn't realize that "bigbumbbell" was literally your real name, I just thought it was your board name.......... :-\!

Anyway, then I guess you could say the same for any professional sports league or franchise!!

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #71 on: June 14, 2006, 12:41:21 PM »
From the procedural standpoint it would be easy to enforce, but I was looking at the same way onlyme is......if they decided to enforce the rules there would be no bodybuilders left, they would all be suspended and it would be the end of the IFBB.

Of course details would have to be worked out, but trust me, there would be plenty of bodybuilders left, it's an ego driven industry and these guys love to show off, also if they want to be called "professional", then they should act "professional" just like when a ball player gets into the bigs, they are EXPECTED to follow a professional code of conduct and when they don't, they get fined and/or suspended...the difference between pro's and amatures!

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #72 on: June 14, 2006, 12:44:55 PM »
oh, lets create of board of censorship.
It already exists - called musclemayhem.com
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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #73 on: June 14, 2006, 01:36:36 PM »
It already exists - called musclemayhem.com

good call.  another one is www.getbiginanother6mont hs.com

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #74 on: June 14, 2006, 01:50:54 PM »
Now you know why I bitch so much about ethics in bodybuilding and why the mainstream or even most of the fans themselves don't take this industry seriously. I took my kid to the Ironman thinking he would see what a professional bodybuilding show was like, needless to say I didn't expect Rodney St. Cloud and Kai Green doing a gay chippindales skit!!

Next time, stay home and watch the dvd..........
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