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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #100 on: June 17, 2006, 02:45:24 PM »
and i'm not flaming bob, this latest drama has proven to be too much of a headache, so i am trying to just stick to issues and not start arguments just to start them. 

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #101 on: June 17, 2006, 03:03:29 PM »
I'm not saying your facts are wrong.  I'm questioning your motives.  Are you anti-PDI, pro-PDI, or neutral?  because you've said you were in support of it before, but when you post things here which reflect negatively on wayne, it looks like you're trying to undermine his efforts.  you're in a position of power, and your words hold more weight than those of the rest of us in the eyes of readers. 

I'm neutral.

Keith brought a few questions to the table...I answered them. Wayne was responsible at the time. There is no motive except to give factual answers to questions asked. Just because Wayne may have screwed up, and you suppport him.....doesn't mean you should ignore the facts.

Im Pro-athlete...no matter how you dice it up.

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #102 on: June 17, 2006, 03:31:20 PM »
It wasn't until *after* the IFBB Orlando Pro fiasco in 2004 that the new rule regarding advanced payment was instituted.  Prior to that, a person could get a sanction without having paid anything. 

The Orlando promoter - James Goad - was awarded his sanction in 2003, when Wayne was still at the helm. 

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #103 on: June 17, 2006, 05:14:57 PM »
I'm not saying your facts are wrong.  I'm questioning your motives.  Are you anti-PDI, pro-PDI, or neutral?  because you've said you were in support of it before, but when you post things here which reflect negatively on wayne, it looks like you're trying to undermine his efforts.  you're in a position of power, and your words hold more weight than those of the rest of us in the eyes of readers. 

To be fair,

it's not being anti something for providing facts that are NEGATIVE.

Being objective is about bringing focus to all aspects of an issue. Even the negative ones.

Anyone can bring the attention to these facts about the PDI. If Chick has more credit than others, then perhaps there is a reason for that?

With that being said, he did come across as a bit of anti-PDI on the radio show, talking about how Lee Priest definitely would be in trouble for challenging the IFBB, competing in Mr O after competing at the NOC.

Sidenote: I thought Cicherillo's assessment of the Lee Priest situation was somewhat interesting, and seemed to hold value, until he decided that there were no chance for Lee to beat the IFBB.

And remember, Lee still have his Athlete Rep in Cicherillo, since he still is a member of the IFBB...

I thought Cicherillo got somewhat lost there. And I also believe he should step down as a Athlete's Rep as soon as he can find someone who has the same dedication.

Because he is great on the radio, and this Athlete Rep thing ties his hands.

I doubt there will be anyone willing to step up as Cicherillo and Shawn Ray have done though. Sure, Cicherillo ain't perfect. But he's burning for the BB culture (look I-one, I didn't use the term 'sport' ;D)....

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #104 on: June 17, 2006, 07:48:09 PM »
To be fair,

it's not being anti something for providing facts that are NEGATIVE.

Being objective is about bringing focus to all aspects of an issue. Even the negative ones.

Anyone can bring the attention to these facts about the PDI. If Chick has more credit than others, then perhaps there is a reason for that?

With that being said, he did come across as a bit of anti-PDI on the radio show, talking about how Lee Priest definitely would be in trouble for challenging the IFBB, competing in Mr O after competing at the NOC.

Sidenote: I thought Cicherillo's assessment of the Lee Priest situation was somewhat interesting, and seemed to hold value, until he decided that there were no chance for Lee to beat the IFBB.

And remember, Lee still have his Athlete Rep in Cicherillo, since he still is a member of the IFBB...

I thought Cicherillo got somewhat lost there. And I also believe he should step down as a Athlete's Rep as soon as he can find someone who has the same dedication.

Because he is great on the radio, and this Athlete Rep thing ties his hands.

I doubt there will be anyone willing to step up as Cicherillo and Shawn Ray have done though. Sure, Cicherillo ain't perfect. But he's burning for the BB culture (look I-one, I didn't use the term 'sport' ;D)....

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It's interesting that Lee Preist hasn't been banned already from the IFBB for signing with the PDI.

I'm pretty sure just the defection is enough to warrant his suspension according to IFBB rules.

Any comments on this Chick?

I'd prefer he was allowed to compete wherever he wanted to be that ain't gonna happen...

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #105 on: June 17, 2006, 08:16:57 PM »
I'd prefer he was allowed to compete wherever he wanted to be that ain't gonna happen...

Why won't that happen?

It's entirely possible that Lee will compete for multiple organizations this fall. 


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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #106 on: June 17, 2006, 08:19:33 PM »
Why won't that happen?

It's entirely possible that Lee will compete for multiple organizations this fall. 


On what planet?

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #107 on: June 17, 2006, 08:41:30 PM »
On what planet?

It's Suin' season...  Lee, Vince, and 1-2 other names you know and love will be doing the PDI NOC then attempting the do the IFBB if they're banned.  Then, they'll sue if not allwoed to compete at the O.

The fact that the IFBB is talking so tough about it NOW sends a clear signal they're not prepared to suspend the PDI guys. 

Think bout it ;)



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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #108 on: June 17, 2006, 08:44:15 PM »
It's Suin' season...  Lee, Vince, and 1-2 other names you know and love will be doing the PDI NOC then attempting the do the IFBB if they're banned.  Then, they'll sue if not allwoed to compete at the O.

The fact that the IFBB is talking so tough about it NOW sends a clear signal they're not prepared to suspend the PDI guys. 

Think bout it ;)



Will be interesting to see what happens if they do turn up to try to compete in the O. I hope they do...

One problem for wayne is why would HE want them to go back? Kinda of de-values his show...

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #109 on: June 17, 2006, 09:47:37 PM »
On what planet?

The IFBB has a long-standing (and recent, too) history of not enforcing its 'rules'.  What makes this 'rule' any different?


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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #110 on: June 17, 2006, 09:54:22 PM »
The IFBB has a long-standing (and recent, too) history of not enforcing its 'rules'.  What makes this 'rule' any different?

And from the law types here, will the history of un-enforced rules help the PDI guys at all?

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #111 on: June 17, 2006, 10:12:27 PM »
It's interesting that Lee Preist hasn't been banned already from the IFBB for signing with the PDI.

I'm pretty sure just the defection is enough to warrant his suspension according to IFBB rules.

Any comments on this Chick?

I'd prefer he was allowed to compete wherever he wanted to be that ain't gonna happen...

He hasen't done anythin wrong...YET.

Announcing your intentions means nothing...Lee (or anyone else for that matter)will actually have to step on a non-sanctioned stage for any such rule to be broken...THEN they are subject to suspention.


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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #112 on: June 18, 2006, 03:08:34 AM »
He hasen't done anythin wrong...YET.

Announcing your intentions means nothing...Lee (or anyone else for that matter)will actually have to step on a non-sanctioned stage for any such rule to be broken...THEN they are subject to suspention.


Signing one of the PDI's contracts (which he has done apparently) has to go against the rules of the ifbb.

When the 12 guys defected in 1990 they were banned straight away from what I remember (by wayne of course..)

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #113 on: June 18, 2006, 08:16:02 AM »
Signing one of the PDI's contracts (which he has done apparently) has to go against the rules of the ifbb.

When the 12 guys defected in 1990 they were banned straight away from what I remember (by wayne of course..)

The interesting thing is that certain bodybuilders bounced between federations on a regular basis. If my memory's correct, John Terilli and Ed Kawak frequently popped up at both NABBA/WABBA and the IFBB, without any drama for leaving the latter for the former.

As for the guys that joined the World Bodybuilding Federation, three of the 13 guys who did so never competed in an IFBB show prior to joining Vince McMahon's upstart league: Troy Zuccolotto, Aaron Baker, and Jim Quinn.

Then, of course, there's the whole issue with Lou Ferrigno. But, that's another story.

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #114 on: June 18, 2006, 08:21:28 AM »

Then, of course, there's the whole issue with Lou Ferrigno. But, that's another story.

Lemme guess.

You gonna charge us $20 for that story?

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #115 on: June 18, 2006, 11:32:04 AM »
The interesting thing is that certain bodybuilders bounced between federations on a regular basis. If my memory's correct, John Terilli and Ed Kawak frequently popped up at both NABBA/WABBA and the IFBB, without any drama for leaving the latter for the former.

As for the guys that joined the World Bodybuilding Federation, three of the 13 guys who did so never competed in an IFBB show prior to joining Vince McMahon's upstart league: Troy Zuccolotto, Aaron Baker, and Jim Quinn.

Then, of course, there's the whole issue with Lou Ferrigno. But, that's another story.
The punishments have varied depending upon who you pissed off at the time and where you went.

Samir did the WABBA Mr World in 1985 and then had to sit out 2 years yet when he did the Nabba worlds in 1990 he was allowed back in straight away.

The IFBB and WABBA had huge feuds. NABBA was always more passive since most of their champs eventually were poached by wayne for the IFBB (buchanon, fox, kawak etc) so if guys went back for a show it seemed they were forgiven more readily. It was really totally up to wayne's discretion really.




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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #116 on: June 18, 2006, 12:00:16 PM »
Lee isn't going to get banned by the IFBB.  He's one of the few white guys the (at least for now AMI) mags can put on the cover & stop people in their tracks.  If anyone else hasn't figured it out, the only purpose the Weiders have for pro BBs is to sell their mags & support their advertising.  That's why the same person wins the Olympia each year; that's easier to market.

As for cancelled shows, the IFBB Toronto show fell through this year.  Did Bob come on our board & gloat about that? 


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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #117 on: June 18, 2006, 12:07:12 PM »
Not trying to be morbid, but when Joe Weider dies, i'm willing to bet anything that the Arnold will be a PDI event. 

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #118 on: June 18, 2006, 01:21:36 PM »
Lemme guess.

You gonna charge us $20 for that story?

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No, I would have settled for $10 ;D

Ferrigno signed with the WBF and the 1992 Championship was hyped as a showdown between him and champion Gary Strydom. Of course, Lou left the WBF shortly after the federation started drug-testing. He returns to the IFBB, signs with Weider, becoming the highest paid contract holder with that particular company, and (despite not having competed in over a decade and a half) gets a special invite to the Mr. Olympia.




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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #119 on: June 18, 2006, 01:26:52 PM »
Ferrigno signed with the WBF and the 1992 Championship was hyped as a showdown between him and champion Gary Strydom. Of course, Lou left the WBF shortly after the federation started drug-testing. He returns to the IFBB, signs with Weider, becoming the highest paid contract holder with that particular company, and (despite not having competed in over a decade and a half) gets a special invite to the Mr. Olympia.

Sounds like some info that the PDI guys will use in their lawsuit to be filed Oct 2nd.

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #120 on: June 18, 2006, 01:38:23 PM »
Jesus Christ 240... Shut your fucking piehole already...  You completely made an ass out of yourself above and beyond here.  It's just sad watching you hissy fit like a little slapped around 2 year old.

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #121 on: June 18, 2006, 01:51:05 PM »
Sounds like some info that the PDI guys will use in their lawsuit to be filed Oct 2nd.



There is not lawsuit to file.  If there was one, it would be filed against the person who was organizing the X-Treme Challenge


This is only just the beginning, the shows are being canceled, and soon will be the PDI.  And anyone who steps on stage will be in a world of shit when they try to come back to the IFBB
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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #122 on: June 18, 2006, 01:52:54 PM »
Jesus Christ 240... Shut your fucking piehole already...  You completely made an ass out of yourself above and beyond here.

Not really.

He's just too young to know as much bodybuilding/IFBB history as some of the other posters around here. 

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #123 on: June 18, 2006, 01:53:48 PM »
This is only just the beginning, the shows are being canceled, and soon will be the PDI.  And anyone who steps on stage will be in a world of shit when they try to come back to the IFBB

Is this really Vince Goodrum, or one of the people he claims uses his account:  JohnJohn, RayRay, Bookie, the Smash Bros., Uncle Petey and Aunt Faith, etc?

You lie all the time Vince.

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Re: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled
« Reply #124 on: June 18, 2006, 01:56:56 PM »
Berserker, if Lee and others who have qualified for the O are not allowed to compete (they have signed the contract), they have said they will sue the IFBB.

IMO, precedent set in the past, examples of men being allowed to do shows with competing organizations AND the IFBB, could possibly come into play with a trial.  Maybe I'm wrong... maybe a nonprofit org CAN selectively enforce rules.  However the idea of lee on the stand spilling his guts on the IFBB is something they probably don't want, and will avoid by letting him compete, anyway.