Why do you trash BBs at 180 lbs? There are four classes in the national NPC shows that require competitors to be under 180 (bantam, lightweight, middleweight, & welterweight). Some of these guys have gone pro with the IFBB at that weight as well (the last was Jose Raymond). Most of these guys aren't going to go into competition, but so few are interested that bodybuilding will die if the the ones who are interested get trashed by their "betters." Also, someone may be 230 lbs but also be at 20% BF. Weight isn't everything. & BBs are invented, not born. Everyone has to start somewhere.