Gamma-O doing great without Cook

[shiftedShapes]

well, at least chris is so honest and forthright that knowing the products were crap (as he indicated about knowing their lab tests) that he was willing to continue to defraud all of us and convince us they were the best thing ever and the reason he was in top shape. so long as they paid his contract. wonderful. so everyone is mad that chris isnt getting paid, yet it is ok for him to blatantly lie to all of us and have us buy a product based on his recommendation? yeah, i get the whole endorsement deal. but if you have ethics as chris portrays himself to have, then dont accept any money from a company that is using your fans, your body, and your trust from others to profit. since he didnt need the money, as he so flatly put it. he has his own business anyway. so if you dont need the money chris, then why just continue with the lie. forget not getting paid. why didnt you, if you didnt need the money, just say, " you know, my fans and my friends deserve better than that. they dont deserve to be lied to by me. i dont want and wont accept your offer"

but no, everyone would rather that he lie because he is a pro bodybuilder and they arent held to any standards at all.

there's a difference between bodybuilders and fans.

it's analagous to the one between sharps and marks

pick your side wisely

[Steve Blechman]

I started this post in response to the gamma-o is broke post.  I in no way tried to bash or disrespect Chris.  The contract Chris has is unexecuted.  It was never signed.  Even if it was it clearly states that if Cook becomes a finical burden to the company we can let him go. (read that twice so it sinks in)

When we first started the Cook ads you all bashed him.  Then we let him go and he's everyones hero?  As the Pres of Gamma I have a crazy idea that I want the company to turn a profit.  Go figure.  What a scum bag I am.  I know you all work for free.

The deal with MD was this.  They get exclusive rights to Cook in exchange for x number of free pages in the Mag and other perks.  We save on the ads and that off sets the cook fee.  Steve did not live up to all the things we were promised.  We called him for months with no return calls.  When we stopped the ads we were still paying Cook.  Remember that the whole time I was paying the contracts were not signed and all we did was have him at 2 shows and some pictures.  The guy did well.  It's not like he dug ditches.

If Chris is really honest in his interview he will tell you that our phone conversation was not an easy one for me to make and I told him I would recommend him and do all I could to futher his career.  I never had to let someone go before that I really liked.  I had many dinners with him and his wife and I did not want to see this end.  Unfortunately, I had to do what was best for the company.

As for the BS pictures you moron's post of him in the off season....I have seen Ronny and Jay look just as bad.  That's why it's called off season.  We started talking to him after those pictures so that was not the issue.  It was purely a return on investment.

John Napolitano

After reading Gamma-O’s post regarding me not living up to my end of the deal.  I need to let everyone know this is simply not the truth and that I gave them all we previously agreed on.  The problem began when Gamma-O stopped paying their bills and their ads were pulled based on a credit decision.  As far as returned calls go, I was so disgusted with the unprofessional manner in which they handled the whole situation with Chris Cook, that I had no desire to speak with anyone at Gamma-O.

[xpac2]

After reading Gamma-O’s post regarding me not living up to my end of the deal.  I need to let everyone know this is simply not the truth and that I gave them all we previously agreed on.  The problem began when Gamma-O stopped paying their bills and their ads were pulled based on a credit decision.  As far as returned calls go, I was so disgusted with the unprofessional manner in which they handled the whole situation with Chris Cook, that I had no desire to speak with anyone at Gamma-O.

sued

[Stavios]

After reading Gamma-O’s post regarding me not living up to my end of the deal.  I need to let everyone know this is simply not the truth and that I gave them all we previously agreed on.  The problem began when Gamma-O stopped paying their bills and their ads were pulled based on a credit decision.  As far as returned calls go, I was so disgusted with the unprofessional manner in which they handled the whole situation with Chris Cook, that I had no desire to speak with anyone at Gamma-O.

Steve, are you saying that Gamma-O people are full of shit ?

[240 is Back]

Steve, are you saying that Gamma-O people are full of shit ?

monster impending litigation

[I ETA PI]

Past experience has told me that if many people have problems with one person.....it's usually the one person that is at fault. 

[timfogarty]

but no, everyone would rather that he lie because he is a pro bodybuilder and they arent held to any standards at all.

this is a point I've tried to argue before.  when you endorse a product, the only thing of value you provide is your reputation.  but time after time, bodybuilders allow their names to be attached to scam products.  Ronnie and those life force disks, Dugdale and that hgh spray, the list goes on and on.  by endorsing scam products, which ultimately will disappear from the market, you are hurting your chances to endorse another product in the future.

[Lift Studios]

and that hgh spray,

Have you tried "that hgh spray"? It's hardly a scam, try it before you make your own set of false claims.

Mr. Prez likes to become invisible when cold hard facts are presented...

[punk_rockerX]

Have you tried "that hgh spray"? It's hardly a scam, try it before you make your own set of false claims.

hell yeah... i heard lenda murray talk about this on that hardbody radio show.  think she said her and her husband feel it;s some of the best stuff on the market?  lenda always seemed like a quality gal.

oh, and for this whole gamma-poo thing... as the saying goes... yu can;t do good business with bad people 

[timfogarty]

Have you tried "that hgh spray"? It's hardly a scam, try it before you make your own set of false claims.

it's a scam because there is absolutely no science to back up such products that contain picogram doses of the active ingredients.   you're likely to get more of the active ingredients of these sprays by riding your bike down the street with your mouth open. 

and if you believe in homeopathy, it's a scam because it's a misuse of the concepts of homeopathy.   True homeopathy is that the "esssence" of an element (which there is no such thing) counters that element.  You would take the essence of arsenic (arsenic diluted in water so much so that there is less than one molecule per dose) to counter the effects of arsenic.  So the "essence" of HGH should counter the effects of HGH, not enhance it.

if picograms of GH under the tounge is so effective, then why inject thousands or tens of thousands of time more?   if less is more, why not inject 1 IU or 1/2 IU, or 1/10 IU rather than 18 that some bodybuilders do?

[DragonsBreath]

Great interview with Cook. Can you believe that so-called "prez" at Gamma-O?

I quote: "Cook NEVER had a contract with us"!!! WTF....Prez?

Poor business men derserve a poor reputation.

Gamma-O after Cook sues them:

[Van_Bilderass]

it's a scam because there is absolutely no science to back up such products that contain picogram doses of the active ingredients.   you're likely to get more of the active ingredients of these sprays by riding your bike down the street with your mouth open. 

and if you believe in homeopathy, it's a scam because it's a misuse of the concepts of homeopathy.   True homeopathy is that the "esssence" of an element (which there is no such thing) counters that element.  You would take the essence of arsenic (arsenic diluted in water so much so that there is less than one molecule per dose) to counter the effects of arsenic.  So the "essence" of HGH should counter the effects of HGH, not enhance it.

Exactly. Homeopathy is a scam and even if homeopathy worked sprayflex would still be a scam.

[Lift Studios]

it's a scam because there is absolutely no science to back up such products that contain picogram doses of the active ingredients.   you're likely to get more of the active ingredients of these sprays by riding your bike down the street with your mouth open. 

and if you believe in homeopathy, it's a scam because it's a misuse of the concepts of homeopathy.   True homeopathy is that the "esssence" of an element (which there is no such thing) counters that element.  You would take the essence of arsenic (arsenic diluted in water so much so that there is less than one molecule per dose) to counter the effects of arsenic.  So the "essence" of HGH should counter the effects of HGH, not enhance it.

if picograms of GH under the tounge is so effective, then why inject thousands or tens of thousands of time more?   if less is more, why not inject 1 IU or 1/2 IU, or 1/10 IU rather than 18 that some bodybuilders do?

So you haven't tried it.

[240 is Back]

So you haven't tried it.

Seriously, I would kill for some hgh spray that works.  Is the stuff legit?  I have heard extremes on both sides of it- it either works great, or it sucks.

[timfogarty]

So you haven't tried it.

$150 for three bottles of water?  No thank you.  I'd rather spend it on something like HMB.  At least that feels like deca.

[timfogarty]

Seriously, I would kill for some hgh spray that works.  Is the stuff legit?  I have heard extremes on both sides of it- it either works great, or it sucks.

HGH is a drug, regulated by the FDA.   It would be illegal for these sprays to contain a useful amount of the drug.

But sprayflex doesn't even use the words 'growth hormone' on their webpage.  they say Growth + Healing.  Nor can I find a list of ingredients anywhere on their pages.  Are the ingredients even listed on the bottle?  The FDA requires anything over a trace amount be listed.

[Lift Studios]

$150 for three bottles of water?  No thank you.  I'd rather spend it on something like HMB.  At least that feels like deca.

You're right you spend your money on HMB and see what result you get. I'll spend my money on Sprayflex. If you don't try it, you have no grounds to speak on.

How about getting back to the topic - GAMMA-O and it's false advertising and/or it's 1/2 truths on this post.

[timfogarty]

You're right you spend your money on HMB and see what result you get. I'll spend my money on Sprayflex. If you don't try it, you have no grounds to speak on.

it was a joke.  we all know HMB doesn't do what they claimed it did.   I'm saying that when ranking scams in the supplement world, gh sprays are much higher on the list than HMB.    In my opinion, spray products are the worst of the worse.   It is scientifically impossible for such small doses of those amino acids and other chemicals to have any effect on the body.  And you're likely to encounter much more of those ingredients many other places in your diet or in your environment.

and it's cute that you include your affiliate number in that link

[240 is Back]

You're right you spend your money on HMB and see what result you get. I'll spend my money on Sprayflex. If you don't try it, you have no grounds to speak on.

How about getting back to the topic - GAMMA-O and it's false advertising and/or it's 1/2 truths on this post.

lift, if I try it, and it doesn't work like gh... is wayne brady gonna have to slap a denverite?

[JKDMan]

$150 for three bottles of water?  No thank you.  I'd rather spend it on something like HMB.  At least that feels like deca.

What? HMB is garbage.

[240 is Back]

Buttplug aka Bill Phillips used that line to sell HMB (97? 98?), therefore destroying his the last bit of his hard earned credibility.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

it was a joke.  we all know HMB doesn't do what they claimed it did.   I'm saying that when ranking scams in the supplement world, gh sprays are much higher on the list than HMB.    In my opinion, spray products are the worst of the worse.   It is scientifically impossible for such small doses of those amino acids and other chemicals to have any effect on the body.  And you're likely to encounter much more of those ingredients many other places in your diet or in your environment.

and it's cute that you include your affiliate number in that link

I have to disagree with you on HGH sprays.  Some actually do and some don't


I've been selling Humagro, Test-RX, & Testatropinol for 3 years (homeopathic compounds).  I've gotten praises for those products for years and tons of re-orders.  I recently gave a friend of mine some Humagro.  Doesn't work out or anything, just swims every weekends and he's lost about 15 pounds and gained about 2 pounds of lean muscle.  His hair which is fading into gray had went back to his original color.

These products have been around for almost 15 years.  They've stood the test of time and etc.  Homeopathic compounds work if they are formulated correctly

[Stavios]

 Doesn't work out or anything, just swims every weekends and he's lost about 15 pounds and gained about 2 pounds of lean muscle.  His hair which is fading into gray had went back to his original color.

I have a small penis, will your stuff make it grow too ?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I have a small penis, will your stuff make it grow too ?

Figures you fall "a little short",  but Humagro won't give you a bigger pecker

[Al-Gebra]

lift, if I try it, and it doesn't work like gh... is wayne brady gonna have to slap a denverite?

I can testify to the power of sprayflex. i used it and I got a monster pair of imaginary lats . . . but I also got ILS like Lift.