Gamma-O doing great without Cook

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Welcome to Getbig, Milky-Tits!

Yea I know....

[GetItOnNY]

John its good to hear from you, email me your number because I dont have your cell # in my new phone.We can all go hang out and raise some hell in Vegas.

One thing I would like to point out to people, now this is nothing against Chris Coook, because Chris is a great guy.I admit Chris Cook, is a very marketable athlete looks wise, but condition wise he is not.Chris is a handsome man, has great symetry, and carries a good amount of muscle.The problem is Chris Cook has never come in dry, and really hard in any show I have seen him compete in.I have competed against Chris 3 times, and even up close he is lean but never is razor sharp.Chris is one of those athletes who looks great when he is in the gym or on stage alone, but you put some one who comes in ripped  like Branch Warren or Dexter Jackson he doesnt look very good.Even new pros like David Henry know if your a pro bodybuilder you have to be bone dry, and ripped.....Period.Once Chris Cook either stops using insulin, or does more cardio, he just might do some serious damge as a pro.I think Chris Cook tries to come in big, instead of coming in shredded.I also think if Chris came in at 250 instead of 265 he would look 10 times better then he has previously.Chris has what it takes to be a good pro, size and symetry wise, but he really lacks conditioning.This thread is not defending John, or putting down Chris, I am just speaking from a buissness stand point.If you dont come in hard at shows you wont place, and if you dont palce people wont buy the products your endorsing.Why does BSN do so well , Ronnie Coleman.Why does Muscle tech do so well ...Jay Cutler, Branch Warren ,Gustavo Badell,and so on.I hope in the near future Chris Cook does find the demons that is haunting him so he can come is shredded.Chris is a very likeable person who has unlimited potential once he comes to shows dialed in.But until that happens not many companies are going to put there money on a horse that never places.

[Gamma-O President]

I agree but I knew that when I started the deal with Chris.  It was not his placing.  When MD did not hold up there end we could not sign him.  The only time his placing was an issue was when I was defending him to the investors.  It's hard to explain paying top dollar for that.  I thought he had a good look but not everything is my decsion.

[GetItOnNY]

John you as well as I know most investors dont know or care anything about bodybuilding, all they care about is the bottom line .You cant blame them with so many risky investments out there.John You have a great product and you are an athlete your self, so you practice what you preach.Investors on the other hand only look at numbers, not what  might be or could be.Chris Cook be a top contender if he even mastered his conditioning.That is a big maybe, its a hit or misss.Just like horse racing ,you wouldnt invest on a horse that never won a race or even placed ,but you invested in it  because it was a great looking horse.John I think MD backed out of the deal and quit his articles because he wasnt performing well.So they just wanted to shift the blame on you, how convienient,lol.If Steve Blechman is so innocent, then why did he pull Chris Cooks articles from MD right about the same time you stopped endorsing Chris.Now I like Chris, and I respect Steve Blechman, but this all doesnt add up to me .Steve Blechman why did you stop printing Chris Cooks articles? Also Steve why didnt you answer Johns phone calls.Finally Steve why are you putting all the blame on John, when I feel your not telling us the whole story? I know from the past Twin Lab and Steve Blechman havent been vey nice to athletes such as Jim Quinn,Gerard Dente and Skip Lacour.These athletes told me one day they were endosed then out of the blue they were dropped for no logical reason.In this situation there is no winners ,just a bunch of corporate B.S. John next time just becareful who you do buissness with, and next time get everything in writing when dealing with companies like MD.Otherwise bullshit like this happens, and it becomes a major headache

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

John you as well as I know most investors dont know or care anything about bodybuilding, all they care about is the bottom line .You cant blame them with so many risky investments out there.John You have a great product and you are an athlete your self, so you practice what you preach.Investors on the other hand only look at numbers, not what  might be or could be.Chris Cook be a top contender if he even mastered his conditioning.That is a big maybe, its a hit or misss.Just like horse racing ,you wouldnt invest on a horse that never won a race or even placed ,but you invested in it  because it was a great looking horse.John I think MD backed out of the deal and quit his articles because he wasnt performing well.So they just wanted to shift the blame on you, how convienient,lol.If Steve Blechman is so innocent, then why did he pull Chris Cooks articles from MD right about the same time you stopped endorsing Chris.Now I like Chris, and I respect Steve Blechman, but this all doesnt add up to me .Steve Blechman why did you stop printing Chris Cooks articles? Also Steve why didnt you answer Johns phone calls.Finally Steve why are you putting all the blame on John, when I feel your not telling us the whole story? I know from the past Twin Lab and Steve Blechman havent been vey nice to athletes such as Jim Quinn,Gerard Dente and Skip Lacour.These athletes told me one day they were endosed then out of the blue they were dropped for no logical reason.In this situation there is no winners ,just a bunch of corporate B.S. John next time just becareful who you do buissness with, and next time get everything in writing when dealing with companies like MD.Otherwise bullshit like this happens, and it becomes a major headache

Steve Blechman came up here already and explained the reason and then had to correct John's statement, Gamma-O stopped sending the checks for advertising and they dropped the ads along with Chris Cook.  I'm not sure how Steve could even be close in the wrong.  If he doesn't receive ad money which was 15,000 a month (Very good deal for all the exposure Gammo-O got), then you gotta drop the ads, plain and simple. 

MD is the best mag out right now and to lose out on advertising with them is not good.  There's practically no-where else.  Most mags mainly endorse their own products heavily.  The only person who doesn't is Jeff Everson's mag.


If you are moving out of bodybuilding and into MMA, you better hope Tim Silva loses because if he doesn't, its going to look bad for Gamma-O.


 

[GetItOnNY]

Vince ,yes Steve said was he didnt recieve any money from John and Gamm O, but do you know what the exact biz agreement was?We can only speculate because we dont know the whole story.How do you know Steve wasnt giving John a trade out of free adds to cover the costs of endorsing Chris Cook? Had do you know Steve is even telling the truth? This is alll here say, but what is the true story.I know John and he seems to be a very straight up and strait forward guy ,so why would he make up such nonsense? I know from the past Twin Lab has not always treated athletes always fairly, and I have heard this from the athletes themselves.I know Skip Lacour who wrote Md and was endorsed by Twinlab and one day they dropped his adds and his endorsement without any notice .I do agree MD is the best bodybuilding  magazinbe out there, but every rose has its share of thorns.I dont beleive MD is  not totally innocent in this matter, and I also think its not  right to shift all the blame onto Gamm O.I think what happened is Chris Cook is a great athlete but he didnt perfom as well as MD expected him to so they stopped his articles, and stopped the endorsement agreement with Gamm O.Then they conviently put all the blame on Gamma O.Like I said before I know John and his partner pretty well, and they are a legitmate company who seem to practice what they preach.

[240 is Back]

Interview with Chris Cook on all of this coming out very, very soon. The truth shall come out.

Cook's lack of a response, two weeks after we heard it was coming, makes me wonder if

1) He hasn't figured out which version of the facts he wants to tell yet

2) He isn't 100% in the right here

3) he's letting his lawyer do the talking.

[Gamma-O President]

John,
We were working on trade of ad space vs using Chris exclusively.  MD made promises they did not keep.  When they called me asking for more money I told them I need to work this out with Steve.  I told Steve via Voice Mail that we needed to talk and work this out.  It's hard paying for something and not getting it but even harder when he wont explain why.  At least if he told me what he would do moving forward to correct it we would have stayed with MD.

If someone that I thought owed me money kept calling me to work it out I would pick up the phone.  Doesn't make sense.

I love how Vince makes up his own facts.  Just like he convinced himself that he is in shape.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

John,
We were working on trade of ad space vs using Chris exclusively.  MD made promises they did not keep.  When they called me asking for more money I told them I need to work this out with Steve.  I told Steve via Voice Mail that we needed to talk and work this out.  It's hard paying for something and not getting it but even harder when he wont explain why.  At least if he told me what he would do moving forward to correct it we would have stayed with MD.

If someone that I thought owed me money kept calling me to work it out I would pick up the phone.  Doesn't make sense.

I love how Vince makes up his own facts.  Just like he convinced himself that he is in shape.

I don't have to make up facts, you can go back to the beginning of this thread and Steve set the records straight about the issue.  Are you trying to say you didn't the ad exposure.  Steve gave you a lot of exposure and for only $15,000 a month for what you got was a bargain.  Your ads were practically in numerous places in the mag plus the Chris Cook corner.

As far as being in shape, you don't know me pal one bit.  I'm the person your "so called endorsed athletes" actually go to for their chemicals.  In fact, you were problably a customer of mine and you never knew it.  I have a number of UG sites around.  So don't act like you know me, you may have bought something from me but you don't know me and you never met me.  Otherwise you'd be eating your words



But getting back on track, you are lying about MD didn't produce.  You got more than your money's worth in exposure from Steve and he made a great deal with you with you basically lost big-time.  Not a smart move on your part.  As far as a biz agreement is concerned, it doesn't make a difference.  Its just like Goodfella's .....Fuck you, pay me.  If you don't pay, you don't play.   Now you don't have a pot to piss in.
 


You've been trying to act like you like Chris Cook and respect him but don't forget the name of the thread you created. 

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Cook's lack of a response, two weeks after we heard it was coming, makes me wonder if

1) He hasn't figured out which version of the facts he wants to tell yet

2) He isn't 100% in the right here

3) he's letting his lawyer do the talking.

He's already did the interview.....

[xpac2]

I don't have to make up facts, you can go back to the beginning of this thread and Steve set the records straight about the issue.  Are you trying to say you didn't the ad exposure.  Steve gave you a lot of exposure and for only $15,000 a month for what you got was a bargain.  Your ads were practically in numerous places in the mag plus the Chris Cook corner.

As far as being in shape, you don't know me pal one bit.  I'm the person your "so called endorsed athletes" actually go to for their chemicals.  In fact, you were problably a customer of mine and you never knew it.  I have a number of UG sites around.  So don't act like you know me, you may have bought something from me but you don't know me and you never met me.  Otherwise you'd be eating your words



But getting back on track, you are lying about MD didn't produce.  You got more than your money's worth in exposure from Steve and he made a great deal with you with you basically lost big-time.  Not a smart move on your part.  As far as a biz agreement is concerned, it doesn't make a difference.  Its just like Goodfella's .....f**k you, pay me.  If you don't pay, you don't play.   Now you don't have a pot to piss in.
 


You've been trying to act like you like Chris Cook and respect him but don't forget the name of the thread you created. 

Are you implying that you sell illegal drugs?

[what:]

Everyone around always wants to talk and post pictures of my 2004 pictures, not the ones afterwards, not the pictures from 2005 but just those.  When the new ones come out, make sure you post those around this time 

Do you honestly think that these are impressive pics?

[what:]

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[240 is Back]

He's already did the interview.....

link?  All I could find was the original announcement from Dec of 2005 when the two parties announced they were hooking up (Cook and Gamma-O)

Does anyone have a link to the interview Ron said would be here very soon? 

[dr.chimps]

Do you honestly think that these are impressive pics?

I think we all agree that Vince allows us more than a few laughs around here. Your avatar and jpeg titles are gratuitous and mean-spirited. Keep the fight clean, bro.

[GetItOnNY]

Vince looks like the rapper from the 1980's with those big binnocular GLASSES.I think his name was DOUG E FRESH  .Vince whats up with those huge ass glasses, you look like your stuck in a time warp.You look like a nutty proffessor or a retarded mad scientist of some type.If anybody can find a pic of DOUG E FRESH  the rapper from 1980's wearing his big assed glasses please post it so people can see how ridiculous Vince reallly looks. Vince have you every considered laser sugery, a pair of contacts, or even a pair of glasses they werent so big they look like coke bottle bottoms.

[GetItOnNY]

Heres is a pic of Vince as Doug E Fresh
 

[gordiano]

I could care less, I didn't look good at the show and I knew it but I've never backed out of a show and I never will.  Its not good form. 

You would not have to pull out of a show, if you did not enter them looking like shit in the first place.


Leave the competition to people who BELONG on stage. You should flex in front of your bathroom mirror.............

[gordiano]

If he ever got busted, he'd have the perfect defense...  just take off his shirt.

"Your honor, do I really look like a guy who is around steroids?" 

Bam!  "Case dismissed!"

LOL!

[GetItOnNY]

Vince being the so-called nutty professior he is read on the board that pro bodybuilders spot shoot them selves to enhance muscle size in there weak spots with escalin ( I dont know how to spell it ) .So Vince being the bee pollen pimp he is went out and found a bee hive because he thinks bee pollen is very anabolic and threw a rock at it.Like he ingeniously predicted the bees came out and stung him all over the place, giving him natural "site injections".But the plan back fired because it made him swell up in areas he didnt want to such as his abs, and lips.Getting stung a 2000 times can cause alot of swelling .Thats why in his pics he is smooth and has no vascularity is because the bee stings made him hold water, and made him look puffy.Before the got all those bee stings he was totally shredded to the bone, this is a true story I tell ya, lol

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Vince being the so-called nutty professior he is read on the board that pro bodybuilders spot shoot them selves to enhance muscle size in there weak spots with escalin ( I dont know how to spell it ) .So Vince being the bee pollen pimp he is went out and found a bee hive because he thinks bee pollen is very anabolic and threw a rock at it.Like he ingeniously predicted the bees came out and stung him all over the place, giving him natural "site injections".But the plan back fired because it made him swell up in areas he didnt want to such as his abs, and lips.Getting stung a 2000 times can cause alot of swelling .Thats why in his pics he is smooth and has no vascularity is because the bee stings made him hold water, and made him look puffy.Before the got all those bee stings he was totally shredded to the bone, this is a true story I tell ya, lol

Funny you should mention Doug E Fresh.  He's one of my favorite artist and honestly he'd problably think you folks are a bunch of Sucka MCs


You can try to spin the subject off on me but it won't work.  The fact is that Gamma-O and John have consistantly told lies about Chris Cook, Muscle Development, Steve Blechman, their financial status, and of course the product itself.

I got better things to do today.  Just had my new furniture delivered.  So have fun up here because you folks aren't nothing but customers to me. 

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

*pssssst.... Vince.... I really doubt anyone fron getbig has bought shit from you. You'd have better luck pimping to the kids on bb.com. 

Lots of people from here and MM have bought supplies from me.  You've seen the store.  You know what I'm all about.

[xpac2]

Lots of people from here and MM have bought supplies from me.  You've seen the store.  You know what I'm all about.

no one has

[Gamma-O President]

Why on earth would you imply you sell steroids on the net?  Aren’t you a cop?

As for MD and the 15K a month it was more than that and you have no idea what a good deal is.  A good business deal is spending 15k or whatever amount to get more in return.  If you don’t get the ROI then it’s on worth it.................why I'm I explaining this to you?  You’re a jackass.

Anyway we spend MUCH less with Planet Muscle and got much more return.  Jeff Everson does everything that he says he is going to do.  He is the easiest guy in the world to work with.  That's why I run 6 pages a month. 

Since you mentioned earlier that you were a fighter and I think corrections officer why would you not agree to a little friendly competition?  It would be great exposure for both companies.  I could get us a PPV King of the Cage.  This is not a joke.  I think this would be great.  I will even put 10K that you don’t make it out of the first round.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Why on earth would you imply you sell steroids on the net?  Aren’t you a cop?

As for MD and the 15K a month it was more than that and you have no idea what a good deal is.  A good business deal is spending 15k or whatever amount to get more in return.  If you don’t get the ROI then it’s on worth it.................why I'm I explaining this to you?  You’re a jackass.

Anyway we spend MUCH less with Planet Muscle and got much more return.  Jeff Everson does everything that he says he is going to do.  He is the easiest guy in the world to work with.  That's why I run 6 pages a month. 

Since you mentioned earlier that you were a fighter and I think corrections officer why would you not agree to a little friendly competition?  It would be great exposure for both companies.  I could get us a PPV King of the Cage.  This is not a joke.  I think this would be great.  I will even put 10K that you don’t make it out of the first round.

I never mentioned anything about selling steroids now did I ?     Don't worry about what I sell because chances are...you've already bought it.....    


And I do understand advertising since I do run ads for my business.  15k for the exposure you got on MD was a great deal.  You didn't get a good return simply because no-one wants to pay 99.95 for a 30 day bottle of crappy Gamma Oryzanol.  Gamma Oryzanol is nothing more than cheap rice bran oil  and completely worthless for building muscle and strength.

Don't blame the advertising, blame the product.


And I'm sure you do get a cheaper price with Jeff Everson, only problem is that his magazine hasn't been popular since it was free.  You're not getting the exposure that you did have.....Sad...   Perhaps if Jeff stopped talking about Cory all the time.....oh well


   
As far as fighting is concerned, go set yourself up with your own fight.  You must be related to Guy Grundy or something.  The only difference is that I'm familiar with your fight record so I'll have to decline a fight with you.