yes i am a newbie and i am shocked at some of the comments, i know a couple of the ifbb guys from back in the 80's and 90's and have been around the scene since then i know what a sacrifice they's guys make to get in the shape they are in family,friends,job,health,time and i know from reading some of these post they have no idea, so love these guys or hate them you should respect them. and yes i am old fat and out of shape!