It's all about genetics baby!! woot woot!!

[gh15]

Matt C,

You seem to be a Knowledgeable person, but Matt your are terrible wrong regarding anabolics and their response in athletes. It is major misconception to assume that anabolics will provide the larger part of an athletes sucess and this misconception is the factor responsable for its abuse. The body genitic ability to respond to high levels of hormones, training and metabolism rates are fundamental genetic factors. All Naturals LOVE to dream that their difference to a Pro is nothing more than a few injections. Well that is obvious way to feel close to athletes and not accept your inferior genetic make up. Trust me no amount of anabolic is going to make you as good as Barry bonds ...Did it help HIM no doubt...too bad for the kids that think that they are only a few injections away....too bad...                                       Let's stop being DISILLUSIONED

wrong!
aas will not change your muscle shape and your muscle shape will determine how well you will do as a bodybuilder,,never the less aas can and will add on you muscle mass to new levels and ew horizons that you never dreamed possible,,

the person with the WORST GENETICS ON PLANET EARTH CAN GET  AT THE LEAST 30-40LB OF OVER ALL QUALITY MUSCLE MASS ON HORMONES,,

growth insulin and igf have been showing the ability to add muscle fibers thus not only blowing your muscle to new dimention but also changing it as in changin your genetic limits to a point!

i claim that muscle shape,,original muscle shape can  not be changed but it can be thickened and blown from within to new bigger dimentions by the use of aas and growth,,the aas will blow your muscle,,anyones muscle not only the "genetically talented",, and the adding of growth will allow this blowing up to multyply,,it simply will allow your body to carry more muscle than it is able with on aas only

as i said before what prince said is a complete nonesense,,ignore

[Tamer Razor]

FACT. Millions of people take anabolics
FACT LESS 250 ACTIVE PROS
FACT LESS that 20 sucessuful PROS

KEEP DREAMING FEEL SO GOOD

[gh15]

never said any one can be get a pro card,,,read agaiin what i wrote carefully!
it is MUSCLE SHAPE that will determine your chances to get a pro card!
not only that but you need to win it among a very hard competition from bunch of guys as gifted as you,,muscle shape wize,, and also come on 100% on the show day,,it is a lot more than just drugs

it takes more than hormones to get a pro card and i said it MANY TIMES BEFORE,,but! ANYONE I CLAIM ANY ONE !! CAN GET TO A LEVEL OF A NATIONAL SHOW AND DO A NATIONAL SHOW NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE,,

time in the gym,,
hormones,,
training,,
nutrition,,
sleep,,
free time for bodybuilding

[Palpatine Q]

never said any one can be get a pro card,,,read agaiin what i wrote carefully!
it is MUSCLE SHAPE that will determine your chances to get a pro card!
not only that but you need to win it among a very hard competition from bunch of guys as gifted as you,,muscle shape wize,, and also come on 100% on the show day,,it is a lot more than just drugs

it takes more than hormones to get a pro card and i said it MANY TIMES BEFORE,,but! ANYONE I CLAIM ANY ONE !! CAN GET TO A LEVEL OF A NATIONAL SHOW AND DO A NATIONAL SHOW NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE,,

time in the gym,,
hormones,,
training,,
nutrition,,

sleep,,
free time for bodybuilding

Our current Mr Olympia has average genetics. And truth be told, is nowhere near being the best BB

[Tamer Razor]

never said any one can be get a pro card,,,read agaiin what i wrote carefully!
it is MUSCLE SHAPE that will determine your chances to get a pro card!
not only that but you need to win it among a very hard competition from bunch of guys as gifted as you,,muscle shape wize,, and also come on 100% on the show day,,it is a lot more than just drugs

it takes more than hormones to get a pro card and i said it MANY TIMES BEFORE,,but! ANYONE I CLAIM ANY ONE !! CAN GET TO A LEVEL OF A NATIONAL SHOW AND DO A NATIONAL SHOW NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE,,

time in the gym,,
hormones,,
training,,
nutrition,,
sleep,,
free time for bodybuilding

Completly agree with the first part of your statment, but disagree with the second part. Have seen dozens of regional guys using tons of anabolics could not even win their class on the show....like you said losing to guy with better muscle shape  

[Tamer Razor]

Our current Mr Olympia has average genetics. And truth be told, is nowhere near being the best BB

Jay Does NOT have average genetics because the ability to weight 280 lb with 3% body fat is a genetic factor that must be considered. Obviously you could not compare him with Dexter or Victor in terms of structure, but again how many pros could be 5'8 at 280lb.

[donrhummy]

Completly agree with the first part of your statment, but disagree with the second part. Have seen dozens of regional guys using tons of anabolics could not even win their class on the show....like you said losing to guy with better muscle shape  

Why is no one reading what gh15 posted? He never said you could WIN a national level competition, just that you could be good enough to compete IN one.

[Tamer Razor]

Why is no one reading what gh15 posted? He never said you could WIN a national level competition, just that you could be good enough to compete IN one.

Well its some regional shows with only couple competitors you could qualified to the nationals but even on regional shows guys are using anabolics so ever them muscle shape and structure is a factor

[Earl1972]

matt haven't you lost 20 pounds recently with very little training and diet?

looks like I was right all along

E

[donrhummy]

wrong!
aas will not change your muscle shape and your muscle shape will determine how well you will do as a bodybuilder,,never the less aas can and will add on you muscle mass to new levels and ew horizons that you never dreamed possible,,

true, but growth hormone can.

Hyperplasia (or "hypergenesis") is a general term for an increase in the number of the cells of an organ or tissue causing it to increase in size. It may be due to any number of causes including (but not limited to) increased demand, chronic inflammatory response, hormonal dysfunctions, or neoplasia.
...
Hyperplasia may also be induced artificially by injecting hormones such as IGF-1 and human growth hormone Perhaps the most interesting and potent effect IGF has on the human body is its ability to cause hyperplasia, which is an actual splitting of cells. Hypertrophy is what occurs during weight training and steroid use and is simply an increase in the size of muscle cells. With IGF use, one is able to cause this hyperplasia which actually increases the number of muscle cells present in the tissue. Weight training and, more dangerously, anabolic steroid use enables these new cells to mature in size and strength. In addition, animal tests have shown that stretching a muscle can trigger hyperplasia though this phenomenon has yet to be confirmed in humans. (MY NOTE: Doggcrap!)

Organ hypertrophy is the increase of the size of an organ or in a select area of the tissue. It should be distinguished from hyperplasia which occurs due to cell division increasing the number of cells while their size stays the same; hypertrophy occurs due to an increase in the size of cells, while the number stays the same.

[benjamin pearson]

In what respect?

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronniecolemanunbelievabledvd2.html

In my opinion that is the best response to bodybuilding and hormones that we will ever see.

he means jay cutler

[Matt C]

Hello everyone.