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PESTO

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First Cycle Question.....
« on: July 21, 2006, 11:01:46 AM »
I am thinking of running a 10 week cycle of Test Cyp and Deca. My question is, can I mix the two together in the same needle to save having to stick myself, or do they have to be seperate?

Here's the stack:

400mg Test Cyp per wk
400mg Deca per wk

20mg Nolva per day


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Thanks

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Re: First Cycle Question.....
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2006, 11:05:32 AM »
Yes, you can mix the two together. That being said I'd make the following changes:

Weeks 1-10 Test C 500mg
Weeks 1-5 Dbol 25-50mg ED

Since it's your first cycle you can forget about the Deca. Save it for the next one. I would also only use the Nolva as needed & for PCT.

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Re: First Cycle Question.....
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2006, 11:05:39 AM »
they can be mixed together. but your test should be higher then the deca.

500 or 600mg of test

200 or 300 of deca

or what Rim said  ;D

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Re: First Cycle Question.....
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2006, 12:48:29 PM »
or  this :

1-10 week test c 500 mg a week
1-8 week deca 400 mg a week
1-6 week dbol 30 mg  ed
nolva 20 mg  ed
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Re: First Cycle Question.....
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2006, 02:38:05 PM »
I am thinking of running a 10 week cycle of Test Cyp and Deca. My question is, can I mix the two together in the same needle to save having to stick myself, or do they have to be seperate?

Here's the stack:

400mg Test Cyp per wk
400mg Deca per wk

20mg Nolva per day


Feedback?

Thanks

I don't like it.  Test is great for a first cycle.  It's best to keep the test to deca ratio at no more than 3:2 due to some of the libido problems that can occur with deca. 

You can do test only to see how well you respond.  I would do 500mg per week.  I love deca, but at that test dose I would have you down at the 200-300mg range for the deca.  dbol at 25-50 mg per day or anadrol at 50mg per day for about 4 weeks is also nice to "jumpstart" your cycle because the test and deca won't kick in for several weeks.

I think nolva is a poor choice for anti-estrogen during a cycle.  Nolva is an estrogen receptor blocker (like clomid).  You'll still produce the estrogen but it will not bind to it's receptor.  It has a particularly strong affinity for periareolar tissue, and is best used as a backup during a cycle for a short course if any gyno occurs.  It is very effective in this regard.  During your cycle, you are better off taking a compound that blocks the conversion of test to estrogen, so-called aromatase inhibitors, such as arimidex, letrozole, proviron.  We can argue over which is best, but personally I like arimidex.  For a 500mg test cycle as a newbie, 0.5mg of arimidex every day during the cycle should suffice.  I would also strongly consider a low dose of hcg throughout the cycle, here at around 300IU every 5 days subQ.  Acting as an LH (leutinizing hormone) analog, hcg will help prevent death of the test-producing (Leydig) cells in your testicles.

Post cycle, nolvadex is a good choice for PCT (post-cycle therapy). 


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Re: First Cycle Question.....
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2006, 05:00:23 PM »


I think nolva is a poor choice for anti-estrogen during a cycle.  Nolva is an estrogen receptor blocker (like clomid).  You'll still produce the estrogen but it will not bind to it's receptor.


yes,  :)
better to  use arimidex...
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Re: First Cycle Question.....
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2006, 05:36:26 PM »
Thanks guys. Good stuff. I think maybe I'll run just the Test @ 500mg wk, and maybe get some arimidex. Keep the nolva for PCT.......

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Re: First Cycle Question.....
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2006, 07:30:56 PM »
I agree with what freak says for the most part.  Im almost thinking for this guy since 500mg is a pretty low dose maybe use no estrogen control on this cycle.  I can say for sure that gains are best with E present. Most anti-E's suppress IGF-1 to some degree.  I would have nolva on hand if too strong of E sides occur.  Also you can use it for PCT.

So all you need for this first cycle is a few bottles of test and a bottle of nolva, you could even get the liquid nolva and really keep the costs down.

Agree on a bigger cycle as you get more experianced an AI is a great idea.

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Re: First Cycle Question.....
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2006, 03:16:05 PM »
500 mg test e per week  will be good,
also i would recommend nolva pills, uk zeneca make the best nolva...
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