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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #150 on: July 22, 2006, 07:01:50 PM »
Mindspin, you fucking rat bastard piece of shit.  Why the fuck did you post that picture of Advil???  A bodybuilder passed away and you wish to make light of that shit????




Someone should strip you of your mod powers.  Hope Ron sees this shit


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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #151 on: July 22, 2006, 07:03:32 PM »
i'm not defending mindspin's advil pic

but

for ppl on mayhem to bitch about what goes on here is just pitiful.  It's like they secretly want to indulge here, but they know their friends would reject them for it. 

Do any of you go into church and interrupt the priest to talk about how evil things are at the satanic cult meeting, then give directions to the cult meeting?  come on, mayhemers.  you like it here.  Admit it already :)



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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #152 on: July 22, 2006, 07:04:50 PM »
Major Risk factors for heart attack: Age, sex (males at higher risk), family history (probably most important), hypertension, diabetes, smoking and dyslipidemia.  Let us assume Anthony did nothing else but steroids; forget the GH, insulin, diuretics, etc.  First of all, if he had any heart disease and continued steroids he was being foolish.  The reason is the steroids are pro-atherogenic and screw people's cholesterol panel up nicely.  He would have an increase in triglycerides and LDL (bad cholesterol).  His good cholesterol would go down (HDL).  This is undeniable fact.  Look up anabolic steroids and their side effects.  Moreover, assuming that he was taking non-pharmaceutical grade anabolics (probably vet grade from overseas) that were not prescribed by his family physician, there is a strong possibility that whatever the steroids injection medium may have some pro-inflammatory properties.  For you googlers, look up C reactive protein and cardiovascular risk.  It is has been proposed that a pro-inflammatory state by itself is a risk for cardiovascular events.

Now, if Anthony used insulin, GH and diuretics there is a very strong possibility that this combination could have put him over the edge.  I would surmise he had dyslipidemia, high blood pressure and possibly diabetes (if he abused GH).  Together, with his sex and age (near fifty), he was probably a walking time bomb.  What is scary is that he is not an isolated incident.  I would surmise that less than 10 percent of national level bodybuilders who routinely abuse this stuff get followed by a physician.  I can gurantee one thing, a lot of these "Supermen" look like a 75 year old man inside.  BB is a scary endeavor if you test the bounds, and don't do it simply for health.

BB's do die from heart attacks for 2 reasons:
1) They are in an "Insulin Dominant" state because of all the food & carbs that they eat.  It is being in this state that causes plaque & cholesterol to stick to the arterial wall. Using insulin will obviously exaggerate this.

2) The AAS alter the lipid profile negatively. It causes decreases in HDL cholesterol. THis again leads to narrowing of the arteries.

As far as all the talk about BB being DIABETIC-That is bullshit.  BB are nearly immune from diabetes because the enormous exercise keeps the muscle very sensitive to insulin..  Muscle tissue is the largest resiviour of serum glucose. Everybody on this board spouts off about BB being diabetic, but in reality-almost NONE are.

Blood pressure is usually controlled very well because of the nitric oxide that is a by product of muscle contraction, and because of the LARGE diameter of the vessels. But some do have high-blood pressure, not many. STIMULANTS cause high blood pressure. BB take LOTS of stimulants.
HIGH blood pressure is almost ALWAYS caused by one of 3 reasons
1) smoking
2) stimulants
3) lack of resistance training.

In closing, BB are not DIABETIC. But they DO experience clogging of the arteries form the AAS, and being in an insulin dominant state. Almost ALL type 2 adult onset-diabetes milletus is caused by LACK OF RESISTANCE TRAINING.. Name me 1 BB that is actually type 2 diabetic ???  EVERY type 2 diabetic I have ever spoke to (Well over 2 thousand at General Nutrition Centers) DO NOT perform resistance training. They dont exercise at all (unless you call walking exercise ?) And you can take that to the bank !! NONE OF them exercise at all !!

There really are none. Don Youngblood ? Maybe. If these guys were becoming diabetic as fast as we all say they are, a good % of them would tell us to prevent it from happening to others.

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #153 on: July 22, 2006, 07:11:20 PM »
I am in complete shock. I worked out at Gold's-Pawtucket/Providence for many years, where Anthony trained and was a trainer. I hired him to train my old man back into shape last year. I saw him just last week and complimented him on how good he looked. Amazing transition from 6 months ago when he was about 290lbs. He was a big stong dude. Holds several bench press records here in RI and in New England. Also a stand up guy, would always take a minute an answer a workout or nutrition question if you asked him. I am in complete shock. My condolences to his family and friends in Cranston/Johnston and his Gold's Gym family.

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #154 on: July 22, 2006, 07:16:00 PM »
To say that a person can achieve the SAME EXACT results naturally  as he could with tons of steroids and GH is ignorant and just not true at all.

The look that you see in the magazines today is simply not possible without steroids, so to insinuate that steroid users should have just been more patient is ludicrous.

Are you saying that it It wasn't the cell tech? Say it ain't so...

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #155 on: July 22, 2006, 07:18:39 PM »
The consensus in this thread from the anti-roid crowd was pretty fucked up...  They basically said, hey RIP Moron ::)  Then having a panic attack if someone mentioned celebrating his life instead of blaming him for his death in the thread started for him...  Real class acts... ::)  Nobody was making any excuses for why he died before the goddamned Advil bottle was posted... The first start of anything was for you losers to jump in and blame him and piss on posts that dared celebrate his life...  You people suck... Almost Naziesque :D with you fuckers.... :-*

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #156 on: July 22, 2006, 07:33:35 PM »
In closing, BB are not DIABETIC. But they DO experience clogging of the arteries form the AAS, and being in an insulin dominant state. Almost ALL type 2 adult onset-diabetes milletus is caused by LACK OF RESISTANCE TRAINING.. Name me 1 BB that is actually type 2 diabetic ???  EVERY type 2 diabetic I have ever spoke to (Well over 2 thousand at General Nutrition Centers) DO NOT perform resistance training.



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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #157 on: July 22, 2006, 07:35:43 PM »
The consensus in this thread from the anti-roid crowd was pretty fucked up...  They basically said, hey RIP Moron ::)  Then having a panic attack if someone mentioned celebrating his life instead of blaming him for his death in the thread started for him...  Real class acts... ::)  Nobody was making any excuses for why he died before the goddamned Advil bottle was posted... The first start of anything was for you losers to jump in and blame him and piss on posts that dared celebrate his life...  You people suck... Almost Naziesque :D with you fuckers.... :-*


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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #159 on: July 22, 2006, 07:49:35 PM »

Guess what?  Nobody here gives a good fucck whether you like them or not.


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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #160 on: July 22, 2006, 08:13:52 PM »
Ronnie turned pro in late 1990 at 215 pounds, drug free.

I don't think he started using anything until about two or three years later, at which point he had gotten up to about 230-235. That was probably close to his natural limit, as he had already been training over 15 years by then.

I heard he experimented, didnt do much, but wasnt totally natural..nonetheless, he is a genetic mutant.

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #161 on: July 22, 2006, 08:15:06 PM »
The consensus in this thread from the anti-roid crowd was pretty fucked up...  They basically said, hey RIP Moron ::)  Then having a panic attack if someone mentioned celebrating his life instead of blaming him for his death in the thread started for him...  Real class acts... ::)  Nobody was making any excuses for why he died before the goddamned Advil bottle was posted... The first start of anything was for you losers to jump in and blame him and piss on posts that dared celebrate his life...  You people suck... Almost Naziesque :D with you fuckers.... :-*
I'm sorry, jr, but bodybuilding should be about a healthy physique, not about testing your ability to take unprescribed drugs and live to tell about it.

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #162 on: July 22, 2006, 08:17:40 PM »
Bodybuilding hasn't been about building a healthy physique since around 1970 or so.

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #163 on: July 22, 2006, 08:39:08 PM »
I am probably one of the only writers that points out all the time that you don't get to look like a Mr. Olympia competitor without ALL three of these factors:
1) Very rare, gifted genetics for structure, size, and shape
2) Years of hard training and eating 6-7 meals a day
3) Drugs.

Too many people misunderstand and think that they can do it with one or two of the factors.

And when someone says they are 230 pounds and natural, I would ask them to post a pic of what they look like versus a 230-pound IFBB Pro like Dexter Jackson (he's probably closer to 220 in shape, I couldn't think of anyone that's 230 off the top of my head). I guarantee you the natural guy looks NOTHING like the pro.

   Wow!! your an expert? man your cool................. ::)  I did not say I looked like a ripped bodybuilder, I do have a great build for a natural, maybe better than most pro's if they where off the juice. You can take your "post a pic" argument to the trash ............it's a dumb comeback.
   The point I was making which was totally missed by the above "expert" ::) Is that no life is worth taking drugs to achieve a level of competition. He was not that better off next to a really well built natural, fact. So he died for a few extra pounds and cuts, what a total waste.............That was my point. Do you not agree?
   At what point does this bullshit sport come to a realistic aproach?
Short of Arnold, even the best of the best will not be known by the masses of the world. No pro short of Arnold has acheived shit since they won the Olympia that was worth the health risks involved. Even Arnold had his heart issues due to roids. No matter how much bullshit Arnold and the bodybuilding press want to sling about it being a genetic heart valve issue, who here really believes that shit.
    You guys that want to push guys into drug use stating that there is no way to acheive a champion build other wize are assholes, plain and simple.
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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #164 on: July 22, 2006, 08:40:10 PM »
Bodybuilding hasn't been about building a healthy physique since around 1970 or so.

well for professional bodybuilding, okay.  but for the thousands and thousands of people who consistently train hard and who consistently eat nutritiously (and who have no interest in the chemical aspect of the lifestyle)
. . . well for them, bodybuilding could be about building a healthy physique.  

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #165 on: July 22, 2006, 08:44:06 PM »
I'm sorry, jr, but bodybuilding should be about a healthy physique, not about testing your ability to take unprescribed drugs and live to tell about it.
Where did I say that Fagboy?  :-* Since none of you stupid fuckers can read for shit, I was pointing out in a world of people killing themselves off via any number of other unhealthily activities at least it could be said that he lived life doing what he wanted unlike some who die young, a fat pig of a chain smoking alcoholic....  That is what I was thinking when I typed what I said.  Nowhere did I imply bodybuilding should be about testing your ability to take unprescribed ??? drugs and live to tell about it...  He made his choices, he knew what the risks were...  I'm just not one for showing up the day his death is announced and take the opportunity to call the guy stupid for his life choices.  Especially when there are so many others fucking themselves 100 times worse with their lifestyle choices....  That is what was behind the thinking of my post and I make no apology for saying it boy...

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #166 on: July 22, 2006, 08:47:55 PM »
Where did I say that Fagboy?  :-* Since none of you stupid fuckers can read for shit, I was pointing out in a world of people killing themselves off via any number of other unhealthily activities at least it could be said that he lived life doing what he wanted unlike some who die young, a fat pig of a chain smoking alcoholic....  That is what I was thinking when I typed what I said.  Nowhere did I imply bodybuilding should be about testing your ability to take unprescribed ??? drugs and live to tell about it...  He made his choices, he knew what the risks were...  I'm just not one for showing up the day his death is announced and take the opportunity to call the guy stupid for his life choices.  Especially when there are so many others fucking themselves 100 times worse with their lifestyle choices....  That is what was behind the thinking of my post and I make no apology for saying it boy...
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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #167 on: July 22, 2006, 08:50:33 PM »
I'm just not one for showing up the day his death is announced and take the opportunity to call the guy stupid for his life choices. 
As Josie once said "dying ain't much of a living"

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #168 on: July 22, 2006, 09:02:08 PM »
As Josie once said "dying ain't much of a living"
Well I agree and don't have a goddamned idea of what you just tried to say in the first post... To f'n tired after leg day... You win, that shit went right over my head :-\  OK I get it... Lots of people gamble and win and yes many always lose...  And some play it safe all their life and some of those get picked off at an intersection having never gambled...  I'm not claiming to know the right answers... Again, I'm just not for talking shit about someone who just died.

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #169 on: July 22, 2006, 09:42:04 PM »
Bodybuilding hasn't been about building a healthy physique since around 1970 or so.


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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #170 on: July 22, 2006, 09:45:41 PM »
I am probably one of the only writers that points out all the time that you don't get to look like a Mr. Olympia competitor without ALL three of these factors:
1) Very rare, gifted genetics for structure, size, and shape
2) Years of hard training and eating 6-7 meals a day
3) Drugs.

Too many people misunderstand and think that they can do it with one or two of the factors.

And when someone says they are 230 pounds and natural, I would ask them to post a pic of what they look like versus a 230-pound IFBB Pro like Dexter Jackson (he's probably closer to 220 in shape, I couldn't think of anyone that's 230 off the top of my head). I guarantee you the natural guy looks NOTHING like the pro.


HAHAHAHAH According to fat, lying, Beef Rinser, Internet Hoaxer, Cult Leader, Rack Chin Queer Dante`  230 lb natural is obtainable, even 250.

hahahhahaa  I hate that dude with a passion for spreading lies,making people think they can achieve an impossibility.  I have asked him time and time again to find me ONE GODDAMNED PERSON that meets that criteria.  6 ft and under 220 lbs completely ripped.  He can`t.  Nobody can. 

The sad thing is he believes its possible.  And I hate the fact that you guys have given this lying clown even a sentence of press time.  Pathetic.

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #171 on: July 22, 2006, 09:53:04 PM »
BB's do die from heart attacks for 2 reasons:
1) They are in an "Insulin Dominant" state because of all the food & carbs that they eat.  It is being in this state that causes plaque & cholesterol to stick to the arterial wall. Using insulin will obviously exaggerate this.

2) The AAS alter the lipid profile negatively. It causes decreases in HDL cholesterol. THis again leads to narrowing of the arteries.

As far as all the talk about BB being DIABETIC-That is bullshit.  BB are nearly immune from diabetes because the enormous exercise keeps the muscle very sensitive to insulin..  Muscle tissue is the largest resiviour of serum glucose. Everybody on this board spouts off about BB being diabetic, but in reality-almost NONE are.

Blood pressure is usually controlled very well because of the nitric oxide that is a by product of muscle contraction, and because of the LARGE diameter of the vessels. But some do have high-blood pressure, not many. STIMULANTS cause high blood pressure. BB take LOTS of stimulants.
HIGH blood pressure is almost ALWAYS caused by one of 3 reasons
1) smoking
2) stimulants
3) lack of resistance training.

In closing, BB are not DIABETIC. But they DO experience clogging of the arteries form the AAS, and being in an insulin dominant state. Almost ALL type 2 adult onset-diabetes milletus is caused by LACK OF RESISTANCE TRAINING.. Name me 1 BB that is actually type 2 diabetic ???  EVERY type 2 diabetic I have ever spoke to (Well over 2 thousand at General Nutrition Centers) DO NOT perform resistance training. They dont exercise at all (unless you call walking exercise ?) And you can take that to the bank !! They are FAT LAZY bastards that think their diabetes is genetic...NONE OF them exercise at all !!

There really are none. Don Youngblood ? Maybe. If these guys were becoming diabetic as fast as we all say they are, a good % of them would tell us to prevent it from happening to others.

Wouldn't clogging of the arteries with cholesterol cause high blood pressure? If it doesn't then how would you know you're at risk for a heart attack until it's too late?

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #172 on: July 22, 2006, 10:42:28 PM »


If someone posted it on billy carps thread he wouldn't reacted, if its irrelevent then its just a wayward comment - nothing more. ::)

how do you know how he would react you have no idea how close they are?

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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #173 on: July 22, 2006, 10:45:50 PM »
BB's do die from heart attacks for 2 reasons:
1) They are in an "Insulin Dominant" state because of all the food & carbs that they eat.  It is being in this state that causes plaque & cholesterol to stick to the arterial wall. Using insulin will obviously exaggerate this.

2) The AAS alter the lipid profile negatively. It causes decreases in HDL cholesterol. THis again leads to narrowing of the arteries.

As far as all the talk about BB being DIABETIC-That is bullshit.  BB are nearly immune from diabetes because the enormous exercise keeps the muscle very sensitive to insulin..  Muscle tissue is the largest resiviour of serum glucose. Everybody on this board spouts off about BB being diabetic, but in reality-almost NONE are.

Blood pressure is usually controlled very well because of the nitric oxide that is a by product of muscle contraction, and because of the LARGE diameter of the vessels. But some do have high-blood pressure, not many. STIMULANTS cause high blood pressure. BB take LOTS of stimulants.
HIGH blood pressure is almost ALWAYS caused by one of 3 reasons
1) smoking
2) stimulants
3) lack of resistance training.

In closing, BB are not DIABETIC. But they DO experience clogging of the arteries form the AAS, and being in an insulin dominant state. Almost ALL type 2 adult onset-diabetes milletus is caused by LACK OF RESISTANCE TRAINING.. Name me 1 BB that is actually type 2 diabetic ???  EVERY type 2 diabetic I have ever spoke to (Well over 2 thousand at General Nutrition Centers) DO NOT perform resistance training. They dont exercise at all (unless you call walking exercise ?) And you can take that to the bank !! They are FAT LAZY bastards that think their diabetes is genetic...NONE OF them exercise at all !!

There really are none. Don Youngblood ? Maybe. If these guys were becoming diabetic as fast as we all say they are, a good % of them would tell us to prevent it from happening to others.

Blood pressure is very often raised by high sodium levels.  These guys eat 4-6000+ calories a day when juicing - they get lots of sodium on average (Jay Cutler eats Sushi every day for example).  This is a very good reason they would have high blood pressure (along with little to no cardio while "bulking")

So injecting themselves with Slin constantly doesn't cause them to become diabetic?  Wrong.  Their bodies no longer produce what is needed naturally.  This ain't GNC customers (who get ripped off) looking for the magic pill to get skinny.  These are guys shooting themselves to increase muslce growth.  If you think that they all don't/won't have blood sugar issues, you are wildly mistaken.
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Re: Another death in Bodybuilding
« Reply #174 on: July 22, 2006, 10:54:10 PM »

HAHAHAHAH According to fat, lying, Beef Rinser, Internet Hoaxer, Cult Leader, Rack Chin Queer Dante`  230 lb natural is obtainable, even 250.

hahahhahaa  I hate that dude with a passion for spreading lies,making people think they can achieve an impossibility.  I have asked him time and time again to find me ONE GODDAMNED PERSON that meets that criteria.  6 ft and under 220 lbs completely ripped.  He can`t.  Nobody can. 

The sad thing is he believes its possible.  And I hate the fact that you guys have given this lying clown even a sentence of press time.  Pathetic.

I knew one guy back home that was 6'1" and 215, totally shredded.  He looked good, balanced, totally striated wheels, and he was really natural.  I don't know what he'd look like now to me if I were to see him in that shape, but I'm just sayin', Adonis.  Is that what you were talking about?  He still wasn't 6'0 and 220, though.