Author Topic: Question of the Day: Will this latest death impact Don Long's chances? (Read 5006 times)

Tre · « **on:** July 21, 2006, 04:18:40 PM »

Will this most recent bb-show-weekend death have any impact on whether Don Long is allowed to compete by the IFBB?

Discuss.

240 is Back · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:21:53 PM »

good question, Tre. You're thinking on the advanced end of Bloom's taxonomy today.

Don Long's bid was doomed before this happened. Bob Chic, his part-time advocate, announced the surrender plans on the radio. Then, Manion laid down impossible requirements to be met (doc's note taking ALL liability?

?)

ether · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:25:43 PM »

Kidneys are overrated.

I'd sign that note.

He can still take a shit without them.

Lift Studios · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:29:48 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 21, 2006, 04:21:53 PM

good question, Tre. You're thinking on the advanced end of Bloom's taxonomy today.

Don Long's bid was doomed before this happened. Bob Chic, his part-time advocate, announced the surrender plans on the radio. Then, Manion laid down impossible requirements to be met (doc's note taking ALL liability??)

It's not Manion's decision - it's IFBB legal.

TheAnimal · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:39:33 PM »

Yes, but 240 is obssessed with Manion

240 is Back · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:40:03 PM »

Quote from: TheAnimal on July 21, 2006, 04:39:33 PM

Yes, but 240 is obssessed with Manion

I'm worried about him. he's had the flu for 3 months now.

Bluto · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:41:20 PM »

im worried about you not worrying about mrgetbig you need to get "in the zone" if you gonna make some damage, bring your a game etc etc

Woten · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:43:29 PM »

Quote from: Tre on July 21, 2006, 04:18:40 PM

Will this most recent bb-show-weekend death have any impact on whether Don Long is allowed to compete by the IFBB?

Discuss.

Tre, you're a good lad, but be honest, are you not even slightly looking forward to watching Don compete wherein (dehydrated and not in optimal healthy condition) he may keel over and give us all a jolly good laugh?

I for one, cannot wait to witness such a spectacle, its his life and, ~~if he is too fucking much of a dumb prick to realise the idiocy of his actions then, balls to him~~ I say good luck Don

Good luck

Lift Studios · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:47:44 PM »

Quote from: Woten on July 21, 2006, 04:43:29 PM

Tre, you're a good lad, but be honest, are you not even slightly looking forward to watching Don compete wherein (dehydrated and not in optimal healthy condition) he may keel over and give us all a jolly good laugh?

I for one, cannot wait to witness such a spectacle, its his life and, ~~if he is too fucking much of a dumb prick to realise the idiocy of his actions then, balls to him~~ I say good luck Don

Good luck

It's "fans" like you that really help the industry grow. Moron.

Tre · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:48:21 PM »

Quote from: Lift Studios on July 21, 2006, 04:29:48 PM

It's not Manion's decision - it's IFBB legal.

?

In most companies, the legal department only makes recommendations to the actual decision-makers.

Are things different in Canada?

Tre · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:50:50 PM »

Quote from: Woten on July 21, 2006, 04:43:29 PM

Tre, you're a good lad, but be honest, are you not even slightly looking forward to watching Don compete wherein (dehydrated and not in optimal healthy condition) he may keel over and give us all a jolly good laugh?

I for one, cannot wait to witness such a spectacle, its his life and, ~~if he is too fucking much of a dumb prick to realise the idiocy of his actions then, balls to him~~ I say good luck Don

Good luck

I hope he's allowed to compete and I hope he looks great onstage.

Regardless of his eventual placing, I'm intrigued by the story of a dialysis patient competing in professional bodybuilding.

youandme · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:51:10 PM »

Or you kidding, Don has been paying his yearly IFBB dues right?

Paying the price to keep others rich

Don's old enough to make his own decisions, hes been down a rough road no doubt maybe he wants to puch the envelope and go all the way, more power to him.

I'd rather go down doing something, than doing nothing.

Woten · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:51:44 PM »

Quote from: Tre on July 21, 2006, 04:50:50 PM

I hope he's allowed to compete and I hope he looks great onstage.

Regardless of his eventual placing, I'm intrigued by the story of a dialysis patient competing in professional bodybuilding.

Do you think he will be marked down if the dialysis machine is slightly off?

sgt. d · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:59:21 PM »

Quote from: Woten on July 21, 2006, 04:50:19 PM

Yeah, the AIDS ridden schmoes, coke toting hangers on, and pretentious nut huggers such as your self righteous self really are running a tight ship??

... if only it wasnt for folks like me

WHO KNEW, I MEAN REALLY?

Fuck off, go and suck Dons access free of pus, you deluded lamer

how did you get out of timeout

Lift Studios · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2006, 05:04:30 PM »

Quote from: Tre on July 21, 2006, 04:48:21 PM

?

In most companies, the legal department only makes recommendations to the actual decision-makers.

Are things different in Canada?

If a legal team won't sign off on it, why would the organization?

240 is Back · « **Reply #15 on:** July 21, 2006, 05:09:44 PM »

The IFBB requires he and the family sign a waiver, clearing the IFBB of ANY liability.

Doesn't this do enough to protect them?

The IFBB requires a doc's signature 24 hours before the show, clearing him.

Doesn't this do the same?

Requiring a doctor to "SIGN A FORM ASSUMING ALL LIABILITY" is incredibly unfair to Don.

Tre · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2006, 05:14:37 PM »

Quote from: Lift Studios on July 21, 2006, 05:04:30 PM

If a legal team won't sign off on it, why would the organization?

Because the organization is broad-minded enough to see what a positive impact his participation would have on both the world of medicine and on the bodybuilding industry.

For example, if not for Don's potential inclusion in the lineup, I'd have zero interest in this show. The major media needs a human interest angle for something to be a story and this is it.

Lift Studios · « **Reply #17 on:** July 21, 2006, 05:43:51 PM »

Quote from: Tre on July 21, 2006, 05:14:37 PM

needs a human interest angle for something to be a story and this is it.

I agree 110% with this

ribonucleic · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2006, 09:54:05 PM »

I realize that I've been assuming that Long is in stable health and jeopardizing it stupidly.

But if he knows he's got something terminal, this would be a honorable way of dying with one's boots on.

A shame he couldn't have put bodybuilding in perspective before it stole his future.

kmhphoto · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2006, 10:51:27 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 21, 2006, 05:09:44 PM

The IFBB requires a doc's signature 24 hours before the show, clearing him.

Doesn't this do the same?

That would depend on what he does in the following 24 hours.

240 is Back · « **Reply #20 on:** July 21, 2006, 10:57:21 PM »

Quote from: kmhphoto on July 21, 2006, 10:51:27 PM

That would depend on what he does in the following 24 hours.

Kev, you've seen a million shows in your day and know what the guys go through. In your opinion, would ANY doctor EVER assume FULL liability for a BBer drying out for a show?

I don't know how it is in the UK, but in the US, a doc's insurance couldn't let him assume full liability for a band-aid, much less a bodybuilding competition.

kmhphoto · « **Reply #21 on:** July 21, 2006, 11:23:08 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 21, 2006, 10:57:21 PM

Kev, you've seen a million shows in your day and know what the guys go through. In your opinion, would ANY doctor EVER assume FULL liability for a BBer drying out for a show?

I don't know how it is in the UK, but in the US, a doc's insurance couldn't let him assume full liability for a band-aid, much less a bodybuilding competition.

No.

It's the same here in the UK.

240 is Back · « **Reply #22 on:** July 21, 2006, 11:29:46 PM »

I think that's why I'm bothered here. Personally, I think Long is probably a little crazy to come back to competition... and it would make sense if the IFBB just said "No, Don."

But it seems like they don't want to be the bad guy, so they're going to try to have the blame fall on Don's doctor instead.

Typical for them... Chic said he's against it ("My job is to protect Don from himself") one minute, then the next week it's "I'll fight for you, Don!".

Tre made a good point about it being a good story. The IFBB could benefit from a successful comeback. Or, they could benefit from a stance which says "we care about our athletes and don't want Don competing". But this middle-of-the-road, blame-someone-else technique is, IMO, a cowardice, non-committal way to go.

Chick · « **Reply #23 on:** July 21, 2006, 11:48:31 PM »

I PERSONALLY think it's not a good idea, but as the athletes rep, It's my job to express the wishes of the athletes...in this case, Don's wishes. My personal opinion is not at issue.

I've gone to bat as best I can, and worked with Jim Manion and the IFBB to insure a "best case senario" for Don as well as the IFBB. The safe guards the IFBB has put in place is to protect them in the unfortunate event something goes wrong (obviously).

Don woulld be in uncharted waters, no matter what goes down...and like any company, organization, or federation, the IFBB will protect themselves from liability to THEIR benefit.

I have talked to Don at length about this issue, and he knows full well my view.

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #24 on:** July 21, 2006, 11:52:09 PM »

Quote from: Chick on July 21, 2006, 11:48:31 PM

I PERSONALLY think it's not a good idea, but as the athletes rep, It's my job to express the wishes of the athletes...i

Unless, of course, their wish is to compete in multiple federations... right Bob?