Author Topic: Can Dave Palumbo be held Responsible or liable for Anthony D'Arezzo DEATH? (Read 23136 times)

youandme · « **Reply #25 on:** July 23, 2006, 03:49:03 PM »

Dave is not at fault at all.
People seek advise for this sport to take it to the extreme. It's very well known that once people get down to competition they sneek in more drugs, even more so when it comes down to diuretics. If anything Dave knew about his heart condition and gave him advice on how to try to work around it maybe, that is to say if Dave even helped him. No one can be faulted when ot comes to bodybuilding this sport is dangerous, you cantsee what is happening inside your body and all the millions of billions of chemical reactions taking place. Dave is a good guy had a few bad breaks, and it sucks!!!,that this happend to a friend of his

jwb · « **Reply #26 on:** July 23, 2006, 03:50:29 PM »

autopsy said cardiomyopathy. chronic disease not an acute drug reaction...

Heywood · « **Reply #27 on:** July 23, 2006, 04:03:09 PM »

I don't see Palumbo at fault legally. He did not hold himself out to be a doctor, or any type of medical professional. He's an experienced b/b with a drug history. Sort of like taking advice from a cocaine addict as to what and how much to take. It's not like being under the guidance of a licensed doctor or nurse.

I'd love to see a steriod manufacturer sued on the basis that they manufacture this crap way in excess of what is necessary for physicians' needs in hospitals, etc.

bmacsys · « **Reply #28 on:** July 23, 2006, 04:18:49 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on July 23, 2006, 02:16:23 PM

I have seen other cases in which a drug was given,administered or suggested to take by an individual and then when the indivudal dies, the other is held responsible.

Since Dave Palumbo was reportedly advising Anthony D` Arezzo, could he be in fact held liable or responsible for his death, either in a civil suit (Wrongful death,Negligence) or even a criminal case (2nd or 3rd degree murder,Criminal Negligence,involuntary manslaughter)?

I think the chich who administered John Belushi's fatal highball got charged with some sort of crime for it.

davidpaul · « **Reply #29 on:** July 23, 2006, 04:29:55 PM »

was palumbo helping this dude though?

Bolo · « **Reply #30 on:** July 23, 2006, 04:30:56 PM »

R.I.P.

Heywood · « **Reply #31 on:** July 23, 2006, 04:53:52 PM »

Quote from: bmacsys on July 23, 2006, 04:18:49 PM

I think the chich who administered John Belushi's fatal highball got charged with some sort of crime for it.

I think she actually administered the dose that killed Belushi, and the dose was the proximate cause of Belushi's death.

Is Palumbo held to know Anthony's medical history, and that steroids would kill him (so soon)?

I don't find Palumbo innocent by any means. I just think that if we consider Anthony to be a mature adult, he had to know what he was doing was potentially lethal, and those who saw his bloated tissues had to know it as well. It's a little late to assess guilt - the horses have left the barn, so to speak.

Are drug pushers liable for the harm they cause to their "clients?"

Cavalier22 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 23, 2006, 05:27:43 PM »

that MIT case should be thrown out

Luga74 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 23, 2006, 05:46:38 PM »

As Mike said, Anthony was a very seasoned bb. His knowledge on workouts, diets and nutrition were truly amazing. He trained numerous Boston Bruins and worked closely with Scott Steiner and several other celebs. He was an amazing guy who was hardcore when it came to BB and helping others. Whether to get them in shape, old or young, skinny or fat or just training others to compete. He could be a cocky mutha at times but he certainly knew his shit. As for Dave, he and Anthony were close friends and as Mike A stated early. I dont think there was anything Dave knows Anthony didn't know as well so to blame Dave seems wrong. I don't know Dave at all but I do know Anthony and as I said. He knew his shit, and knew what he was doing. Rumbling up here in RI was that he had a major rage earlier in the day which may have sent the heart over the edge. The Big Man died doing what he loved to do and probably went out the way he wanted to, in the shape he wanted to. From his weighin pics from Dave's site, seemed like he was dialed in and easily could have placed 1 or 2.

RIP to the self proclaimed "Biggest and Strongest Man in Rhode Island"

Ant, you'll be missed around the gym and around town. Prayers and thoughts go out to the entire D'Arezzo family and to his friends-Psycho and the others who were with him at the end

chris_mason · « **Reply #34 on:** July 23, 2006, 05:50:13 PM »

Why bring this up? Are you trying to get the man in trouble?

I find things like this to be in very poor form.

liberty · « **Reply #35 on:** July 23, 2006, 06:14:04 PM »

I too think it all goes back to Anthony....He was gonna do whatever he wanted too with or without anyones help.
I'm sure like most of us or at least me that when he decided he was going too do something get the f*** outta the way.
Nothing was gonna stop him from this comeback in his mind.Sadly something did.

And those 2 guys fom MIT....I knew them well....I worked there...Use to have beers with these 2 guys.
Never in a million years did I think they would be into the n2o2.
Being electricians they would come and go through the building with supplies all the time.
At lunchtime they walked out with a cylinder of nitrous and went to one of their vans.
The thing I'll never understand is why they bagged their heads....it was the plastic that killed them.
Lost conciousness but couldn't breath.....found them a few hours later....never forget it.

RIP
http://www.anthonydarezzo.com/images/misc/pages/a_pose.htm

dknole · « **Reply #36 on:** July 23, 2006, 06:21:00 PM »

240 wrote: Intriguing.

My guess is that there won't be enough evidence for anything. but it does lead to a bigger concept - Are, and should, nutritionists held responsible for the extremes their athletes go to? Obvously it's the athlete who chooses to dehydrate to the point where it becomes dangerous. It's not like he's working at the library and somebody slipped a diuretic in his morning coffee.

Very interesting question though, TA.

I say, drug advisors are not NUTRITIONISTS, nutrititions advise strictly on diet, dietary supplementa s and what not, not how to use drugs. Let's be clear, anyone advising some suppossed athlte on how to "rip up" for a show using speed, thyroid hormones, winny and what not is a drug advisor (with or without an education or medical background). Therefore, both parties (as they are adults) who take and use one on one advice of a "druggist" are responsible. However, unless you have an explicit paper trail, no crime can be traced...

Mussolini · « **Reply #37 on:** July 23, 2006, 06:25:51 PM »

Adonis, mabey there would be a case if the guy who unfortunatly passed was a novice, doing things for the first time. Anthony was a seasoned veteran who earned a living helping people train and with there contest prep. Anthony suing Dave would be the same as a professional skiier suing a ski resort because there intructors didnt teach him to ski properly.

Heywood · « **Reply #38 on:** July 23, 2006, 06:30:46 PM »

Aren't "drug advisors" also called "doctors." I mean, who else is supposed to advise you on taking a drug? You're supposed to get a prescription, and that also should come from a doctor.

Do coke and heroin users also have "advisors?"

I don't know where we go with this concept of "drug advisor." Perhaps simply advising the use of illegal drugs is the crime, regardless of the death.

michael arvilla · « **Reply #39 on:** July 23, 2006, 06:42:37 PM »

I remember when i first met Anthony well over 10 -15 years ago
at the "NEW ENGLAND BODYBUILDING CHAMPIONSHIPS"
i was introduced to him by a friend who was competing.............An thony was less than friendly towards me at first,....my friend said " unless you weigh 300 lbs Anthony won't even acknowledge you"

i saw him every year after that at the same show
and eventually we got friendly (i was however over 300 lbs at the time)
Anthony was a powerlifter as well,just a big freaky mass monster

sad that he passed so soon................he was an inspiration and motivation to me

tom joad · « **Reply #40 on:** July 23, 2006, 06:48:21 PM »

Quote from: michael arvilla on July 23, 2006, 06:42:37 PM

Anthony was less than friendly towards me at first,....my friend said " unless you weigh 300 lbs Anthony won't even acknowledge you"

he sounds like a good ambassador of the sport.

HERACLES · « **Reply #41 on:** July 23, 2006, 07:05:18 PM »

True Adonis, interesting point. I dont think anything can legally implicate Dave, even if he was his "coach" or not, whatever it may be I dont know, like Mike A said, he didnt need Daves guidance...but who knows..

If he did guide him along at all, man, I would feel so bad If it was me.

Makes me not even think about gear, no matter how cool it is to be huge.... $:-\$ JUST NOT WORTH IT!

If you dont have the genes to look like a Ronnie, Levronie, Dexter, Cutler, (you get my point) why abuse your health, no matter how happy it makes you! Do it clean..we all can experiment, but you gotta know when to walk away.

240 is Back · « **Reply #42 on:** July 23, 2006, 07:16:48 PM »

Let's ignore all the facts of who is involved in this case.

When the same thing happened with a certain C**D N****LS - when a great number of HIS clients had renal failure all of a sudden - there was no accountability. His reputation took a hit, but nobody sued anyone and nobody went to jail.

Who knows if holding nutritionists accountable for their clients' actions would lead to less extremes, or more irresponsible behavior from the uneducated clients? My guess is that the nutritionists probably keep more ppl healthy than they hurt, but it's just speculation.

If a certain CN *had* been sued or jailed for giving advice resulting in kidney failure... perhaps this case might have ended differently. Perhaps *whoever* trained Ant might have told him to back off a bit. Who knows.

youandme · « **Reply #43 on:** July 23, 2006, 07:24:01 PM »

Quote from: bmacsys on July 23, 2006, 04:18:49 PM

I think the chich who administered John Belushi's fatal highball got charged with some sort of crime for it.

RobertDeniro and Robin Williamsalmost got in trouble also they had to later go in front of a grand jury

Gordon_Gekko · « **Reply #44 on:** July 23, 2006, 08:14:14 PM »

Quote from: michael arvilla on July 23, 2006, 06:42:37 PM

i was introduced to him by a friend who was competing.............An thony was less than friendly towards me at first,....my friend said " unless you weigh 300 lbs Anthony won't even acknowledge you"

i saw him every year after that at the same show
and eventually we got friendly (i was however over 300 lbs at the time)

Did he carry a scale with him to more accurately assess who he would or would not acknowledge?

bigtraps · « **Reply #45 on:** July 24, 2006, 05:15:27 AM »

Quote from: michael arvilla on July 23, 2006, 06:42:37 PM

Anthony was less than friendly towards me at first,....my friend said " unless you weigh 300 lbs Anthony won't even acknowledge you"

Wow, sounds like a real nice guy.

davidpaul · « **Reply #46 on:** July 24, 2006, 05:19:53 AM »

Quote from: michael arvilla on July 23, 2006, 06:42:37 PM

i was introduced to him by a friend who was competing.............An thony was less than friendly towards me at first,....my friend said " unless you weigh 300 lbs Anthony won't even acknowledge you"
(i was however over 300 lbs at the time)

Could you be a podgy, or did you have to be a lean 300 with abs?

bigtraps · « **Reply #47 on:** July 24, 2006, 05:34:59 AM »

Quote from: davidpaul on July 24, 2006, 05:19:53 AM

Could you be a podgy, or did you have to be a lean 300 with abs?

Good question. I'd like to know also.

toolarge4u · « **Reply #48 on:** July 24, 2006, 05:55:47 AM »

Quote from: michael arvilla on July 23, 2006, 03:03:15 PM

DAVE and ANTHONY were best friends.................
if you knew Anthony...you knew he didn't need Dave's advice on Bodybuilding
Nutrition,supplements,Drugs etc,Anthony has been around and competing for many many years
(he helps others get ready for shows as well)
Anthony was going to do what Anthony wanted to do regardless of what anyone said...
Dave is deeply mourning the loss of his best friend.............you really think he want's to read this shit

RIP Anthony..............you were a great guy!

thanks mike, i was gonna say the same thing, anthony was just as good as dave an didnt need help, they were great friends, as me an anthony were and he helped me alot. This boards a fucking joke, ron should be ashamed of himself letting shit like this be put up.

Rome · « **Reply #49 on:** July 24, 2006, 06:07:21 AM »

NO! You roll the dice and take your chances. The last time I checked Palumbo was NOT an M.D
He or no one else can be held responsible for the death of someone who chooses to use anabolics and other drugs. Dems da breaks $:-\$