PM Question Answered: Hw does a natural bb cheat the system?

[schwarzenpecker]

hey GH15,

how does a natural bb cheat the system?

Please leave my name off thanks.

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first of all... you got to start from a simple concept. performance enhancing drugs are for bodybuilders and few other type of athletes what cocaine and x is for the 20 year old rave chic that loves parting. it is DEPENDENCY for specific purpose.

i do not have a reason to come here and put people in bad light, or ruin their lives and that is why you dont hear even 1/2 of the facts i have of the bodybuilding industry and its ability to manipulate truth to fit the reality it wants.

You are smart people, most of you, you can tell priest is jacked to the max as in familiar with hormones better than he's femiliar with superman, and taking doses larger than the doses of gasoline he put into that race car of his . that you know, no need to talk about it.

i do exactly the same.

what i dont like is when someone is coming to me after i been in this sports for over 15 years, making living of it in addition to COMPETING in it, and telling me hey im a top natural winner of musclemania 

you got to understand that we all use hormones, it is exactly for the same reason we all get in the gym and like to look in the mirror and flex, or check our muscles ALL THE DAMN TIME in the gym mirror reflection. we are BODYBUILDERS, we live off it, we did it before during and most likely will do it as hrt after. we are obsessed with our bodies and i am not joking. ALL OF US!

now yes there are few naturals that i have seen and they do compete natural and they also look like natural as in muscle mass and muscle development and mainly the PHYSIQE CONDITION is NATURAL. i dont say there are no naturals! what i say is that at a district level competition and above... npc... you will rarely see a natural guy. period. RARELY.

every one who competes npc want to be able to qualify for nationals and mr la cour wanted it badly in his younger years. so did mr willet. both are PATHOLIGICAL LIARS, lie with no shame, and let me say it this way, i wouldnt go to war if i had to fight with army full of them. mr la cour could not win national level competition and could not earn his pro card fair and square. in addition AST which i consider a scambag company that i will try to ruin if they piss me off a little more, help/ed those athletes in their scam (yes they are still athletes). to say mr la cour is natural is like to say mr palumbo is natural.

now to your question, there are TONS of ways to cheat the cheater as i like to say - since it is all done by federations who you gotta pay fees and other crap - they are with you those federations everything is planned well.

the athletes who competing "NATURALLY" - simply wait untill after the polygraph that is done 24 hours or so before ,then load on INJACTIBLE LASIX for example. effective and efficient duretic. some wait for the tests to be done then go on what ever fast short half life hormones/agents they need, some can simply pass the polygraph, it is not so hard and done many times in murder crimes, so bodybuilding is not a biggie, those guys are used to lie, they live on and in hormones trust me on that some do blitz cycles, many never come off gh and no one pays the money to test for gh, too costly and no one give a shit, those are only few of the methods used.

i attach here again 2 pictures one is of a natural top of the top genetics for its  time, and one...oh well natural indeed, natural LIAR


this is what a member on a diff steroid board wrote about the subject. an ordinary guy and oh how right he was on the spot.

No such thing! Natural bodybuilder, what a joke! Those guys are lying all the way. One of my college friends was a competitive bodybuilder and pretty good at one time. He competed against Flex Wheeler in the early 90's and took 3rd place in that contest. Flex either took 1st or 2nd, I can't remember. Anyway, my friend claimed to be a natural bodybuilder. I knew the truth because he is the one that told me to get the real stuff and to stay away from all the bullshit supplements. In fact, he got me some D-bol for my very first cycle. Then he showed me his showcase of anabolic steroids and growth hormone. I was shocked but then I realized the truth and the importance of chemistry in bodybuilding. Hell, he was even taking real growth hormone, the stuff extracted from cadavers. There was a photo shoot and interview of him in Muscular Development magazine back in 1986. In it he claimed to be all natural of course. Also, after his contest against Flex Wheeler, he was interviewed and the interviewer asked him what he thought about being an all natural bodybuilder. It was so funny, but I guess there are some out there that still believe what you tell them.

What if there is a real drug test for steroids and not just a polygraph test. How do you beat that?

[Mobil]

What if there is a real drug test for steroids and not just a polygraph test. How do you beat that?

ask NFL and NCAA players....if theres a will theres a way. ive heard all kinds of stories from a retired
NFL player.

[pobrecito]

What if there is a real drug test for steroids and not just a polygraph test. How do you beat that?

slightly altet the compound....nothing an informed chemist couldn't do

[TheGoldenPrince]

Bill Pearl was natural AND a vegeterian when he won his last 2 Mr Universe events against the cream of the crop, including 3 Mr Olympias...Sergio, Zane & Dickerson...

[TheGoldenPrince]

Fab shot of the great, the Black Pearl:

[Wombat]

think about it----being natural is Skip's "thing"/gimmick----it makes him stand out----

if it wasn't for his steadfast constant harping about being natural he wouldn't have all the sponserships and revunue he has now---he'd just be another juiced up guy not big enough to compete with the big boys

its actually a very smart business move on his part---claiming that he's natural

Bingo---Derik Farnsworth has the same scam going also...Why in the world would Stallon's company have him as an athlete if it wasn't for his natural status......Answer--They wouldn't!

[HRDCOR]

WHAT SYSTEM  

[TheGoldenPrince]

WHAT SYSTEM  

The sham/scam they have going on at the Team Uni...

[HRDCOR]

                     The sham/scam they have going on at the Team Uni...                 

Yeah I know , hows this for a laugh the NZ INBA don't even have a drug testing rule / system or programme !!

And guess what , the guys winning use steroids ( shock horror )

[The Freakshow]

The best way to be a Natural BB is to be a "NATURAL" BB!!!

[TheGoldenPrince]

Yeah I know , hows this for a laugh the NZ INBA don't even have a drug testing rule / system or programme !!

And guess what , the guys winning use steroids ( shock horror )

By that token, even if Vince G or his Kovacs-lookalike buddy below enters the Team U and places dead last, he would actually rightfully deserve the overall title of Mr USA Universe and coveted IFBB Pro Card that comes with it! 'Cos theoretically, all the rest are shameless drug cheats...anabolics, heavy flow, you name it.

[TheGoldenPrince]

Your 2007 Mr USA Universe overall winner and latest IFBB Pro, with Olympia-winning, Coleman-like genetics to boot...