Author Topic: The IFBB pro rulebook - An Analysis... (Read 26360 times)

jwb · « **Reply #100 on:** August 01, 2006, 08:14:58 PM »

Quote from: Chick on August 01, 2006, 08:08:20 PM

The difference is...a penalty stroke affects the outcome of the competition, whether or not someone had naked pictures for sale does not.

yeah but he was asking about someone competing clean and the other competitors not being disqualified or even tested for drugs as per the IFBB pro rule book (including random, targeted and both in and out of competition testing according to the document).

doesn't this person have a case against the ifbb for not enforcing their own rules since there nonenforcement has negatively affected his result - guys on drugs beat him - and the amount of money he receives from competing?

Chick · « **Reply #101 on:** August 01, 2006, 08:30:23 PM »

How would we know if anyone else was on drugs?

Hypothetically...

I suppose If everyone was tested and everone was disqualified except for one guy who tested clean..he would win anyway...there would be no need to sue.

For that matter...how would we know this guy was clean?

jwb · « **Reply #102 on:** August 01, 2006, 08:52:50 PM »

lets say this guy competes clean and comes last in a show of 14 guys.

surely a show of 14 guys should have perhaps 3-4 guys who would be randomly or targeted tested for drugs by the ifbb.

our point is that there is effectively no testing in the ifbb for performance enhancement - i personally believe people should be able to take whatever they like - when the pro rule book clearly states that they perform both targeted and random testing both in and out of competition.

the rule book on drugs isn't being followed at all yet the rule about guys competing somewhere else are rigidly enforced.

can't you see how unprofessional that makes the ifbb look chick?

onlyme · « **Reply #103 on:** August 01, 2006, 08:59:36 PM »

Quote from: DonDan on August 01, 2006, 01:01:24 PM

Actually this has nothing to do with the sanctioning fee. This has to do with the prize money which the rules say I believe the money has to be paid to the IFBB 60 days prior to the event. Yes I found it, it's 60 days.

Article 35 – Payment of Fees and Fines
35.1 Payment of Fees and Fines:
4. Prize money must be paid in full no later than sixty days before the date
scheduled for the event.

Not in all cases (Colorado Pro). And why does the promoter have to pay the IFBB the prize money. Does the IFBB write the check to the competitor and if so does the IFBB take out the taxes or does the competitor pay them. And do the competitors fill out a 1099 (or whatever form it is). Also, does the IFBB pay the interest paid on this money back to the promoter or do they get to keep it. And yes I know it might not be much but when you add up all the prize money and all the years they have been doing this it adds up to allot of money And if a competitor is getting paid from a Canadian company from a Canadian bank doesn't the competitor now have to pay tax twice, once fro Canada and once from the US. Or is all this just ignored. Really interesting.

onlyme · « **Reply #104 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:00:47 PM »

And what is the problem about drug testing EVERY competitor.

Lift Studios · « **Reply #105 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:01:39 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on August 01, 2006, 08:59:36 PM

Not in all cases (Colorado Pro).

That's bullshit and you know it. Move on Keifer.

jwb · « **Reply #106 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:04:07 PM »

the ifbb pro rule book is kinda like the ten commandments.

but only one of the commandments directly affects the ifbb's bottom line so thats the only one that is actually a considered a sin...

onlyme · « **Reply #107 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:04:19 PM »

Quote from: Lift Studios on August 01, 2006, 09:01:39 PM

That's bullshit and you know it. Move on Keifer.

Issac no more argueing. I was just saying the IFBB did not require the Colorado Pro to put in the bank the prize money. Thats all. I am not argueing just saying as an example. If I knew anymore I would have used them instead.

Lift Studios · « **Reply #108 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:06:19 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on August 01, 2006, 09:04:19 PM

Issac no more argueing. I was just saying the IFBB did not require the Colorado Pro to put in the bank the prize money. Thats all. I am not argueing just saying as an example. If I knew anymore I would have used them instead.

Try the Orlando Pro show, You know the one where the promoter was going to promote a PDI show. The one where guys still haven't been paid. The Colorado Pro guys all got paid within 60 days, less then 30.

jwb · « **Reply #109 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:09:25 PM »

Quote from: Lift Studios on August 01, 2006, 09:06:19 PM

Try the Orlando Pro show, You know the one where the promoter was going to promote a PDI show. The one where guys still haven't been paid. The Colorado Pro guys all got paid within 60 days, less then 30.

yeah but did they give the ifbb the prize money 60 days BEFORE the show as per the ifbb pro rule book?

Chick · « **Reply #110 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:09:31 PM »

Theres an example for you...!

Chick · « **Reply #111 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:10:58 PM »

Quote from: jwb on August 01, 2006, 09:09:25 PM

yeah but did they give the ifbb the prize money 60 days BEFORE the show as per the ifbb pro rule book?

No...the prize money OR sanction fee wasn't put up before the show as Wayne decided it wasn't necessary and for some reason, trusted James Goad...who inturn, stiffed the athletes.

jwb · « **Reply #112 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:14:01 PM »

we are talking about the colrado pro show bob not the orlando...

Chick · « **Reply #113 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:18:10 PM »

Quote from: Lift Studios on August 01, 2006, 09:06:19 PM

Try the Orlando Pro show, You know the one where the promoter was going to promote a PDI show. The one where guys still haven't been paid. The Colorado Pro guys all got paid within 60 days, less then 30.

Yeah, and I was refering to the Orlando, as Issac pointed out.

I don't know for sure if the prize money was put up 60 days out...I do know that a special account was set up for the show many months out, the same account the prize money came out of. There was never a question a multi-million dollar company had the money to pay the athletes....

jwb · « **Reply #114 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:18:54 PM »

in reagrds to the orlando and wayne i'm not pro wayne or pro PDI at all - i think wayne is just as much a crook as the weiders - sorry keith!

jwb · « **Reply #115 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:22:36 PM »

i didn't doubt vyotech had the cash but technically the rule book still wasn't followed yet again... it needs to be thrown in the trash and NOT used as the excuse to stop any bodybuilder competing wherever and whenever he wants...

Chick · « **Reply #116 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:27:54 PM »

Quote from: jwb on August 01, 2006, 09:22:36 PM

i didn't doubt vyotech had the cash but technically the rule book still wasn't followed yet again... it needs to be thrown in the trash and NOT used as the excuse to stop any bodybuilder competing wherever and whenever he wants...

Who said it wasn't followed, and the money was put up? If ou have knowledge of this, please speak up...

jwb · « **Reply #117 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:29:07 PM »

didn't phil's cheque come straight from the vyotech account that had problems clearing?

onlyme · « **Reply #118 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:39:07 PM »

Quote from: Chick on August 01, 2006, 09:18:10 PM

Yeah, and I was refering to the Orlando, as Issac pointed out.

I don't know for sure if the prize money was put up 60 days out...I do know that a special account was set up for the show many months out, the same account the prize money came out of. There was never a question a multi-million dollar company had the money to pay the athletes....

Kind of like Enron. Still why wan't the money given to the IFBB 60 days out from the show. And I am talking about the Colorado Pro not the Orlando. SO far no one has answered this. Why not.

240 is Back · « **Reply #119 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:49:11 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on August 01, 2006, 09:39:07 PM

Kind of like Enron. Still why wan't the money given to the IFBB 60 days out from the show. And I am talking about the Colorado Pro not the Orlando. SO far no one has answered this. Why not.

It's easier for them to point at a show a few years ago than to face the fact that Phil heath's check from VYOTECH bounced this year.

Chick · « **Reply #120 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:52:42 PM »

blah, blah, blah....same shit.

It was alredy explained a million times that it was a simple bank error and nothing more...Phil himself came on here and explained it...

The question is, 240...why didn't Wayne follow the rules, allowing for the athletes to get screwed over?

jwb · « **Reply #121 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:54:40 PM »

good question chick... any answers 240?

maybe wayne is a snake perhaps?

the ifbb rule book still sucks though!

Lift Studios · « **Reply #122 on:** August 01, 2006, 09:59:37 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on August 01, 2006, 09:39:07 PM

Kind of like Enron. Still why wan't the money given to the IFBB 60 days out from the show. And I am talking about the Colorado Pro not the Orlando. SO far no one has answered this. Why not.

I thought you were done arguing on this. I make a point about your beloved PDI promoter who didn't even succeed in promoting the show that still has info on his site. ALL the ATHLETES were paid at the Colorado Pro show.

You and 240 would try and debate what kind of corn is in Chic's shit.

Answer Chic's question on Wayne and the Orlando promoter. That's right you don't know. STFU.

onlyme · « **Reply #123 on:** August 01, 2006, 10:00:16 PM »

Still no answer to my simple question. Why was the Colorado Pro not reuqired to follow the rules of the IFBB and make their deposit to the IFBB 60 days out from the show. SO simple yet no one answers since I have asked this question since the show.

onlyme · « **Reply #124 on:** August 01, 2006, 10:02:04 PM »

Quote from: Lift Studios on August 01, 2006, 09:59:37 PM

I thought you were done arguing on this. I make a point about your beloved PDI promoter who didn't even succeed in promoting the show that still has info on his site. ALL the ATHLETES were paid at the Colorado Pro show.

You and 240 would try and debate what kind of corn is in Chic's shit.

Answer Chic's question on Wayne and the Orlando promoter. That's right you don't know. STFU.

Hey you fucking little queer you STFU. You nor any of your lovers can answer my question. You are right and I have said so I don't knwo you dumb fuck. Now you answer my question. Be a fucking man Issac you forget we all know whast you look like so calling you a man is a stretch but since I have no evidence you have a pussy so right now you are a man but barely.