Bob theres a few of us on here who realise that Jacks living his dream and in reality hes punching well above his weight having a pro card but your acting like a bully, certainly not of someone who is represnting pro athletes, leave the bloke alone theres heaps of ifbb pros that dont belong on a pro stage, infact im sure theres at least 10 pros Jack would beat so his criteria is as pro as them,im not pro Jack i dont think hes helped himself much in this arguement, but even though i dont like you that much, you come across as a bit of an arse kissing jerk, sorry mate, i think your truly acting very un profesional with arse kicking a fellow bodybuilder.