Chick it's too warm to be christmas

[Chick]

You're delusional.

If YOU think there's a marketing "war" going on with one company that's been around over 50 years, a history, magazines, millions of dollars in sponsors, hundreds of thousands of fan base, and the best bodybuilders in the world, contracts via competing/exposure....

...and the other company in it's 3rd go-round of getting off the ground, run by the guy fired from his position, hated by the athletes, refused to pay athletes claiming they "didn't deserve it", have managed to attract ONE current IFBB athlete, give pro cards out like free car washes, have already had more shows canceled than have taken place, etc, etc...

Fan base as a direct result of performance is mostly responsible for 90% of the athletes making the most money...you think Joe Blow makes (or should make) more money than John Cena? What planet are you living on??

Welcome to sports 101...

[Kegdrainer]

Bob, there is definitely a marketing war going on.  If you don't see it, well, I can't help you there.  And if you're denying it, well, that's fine too.  Anyone with half a brain sees who has been bashing the PDI nonstop since minute one.  

And you ask why the IFBB would be scared about anyone going to the PDI.  You're joking, right?  It's a clear competitor run by their former boss, that has snatched one of the most popular guys (Lee priest) before they have even held one show!

Third, you defend the fact that 90% of IFBB athletes don't make any money.  For athletes rep to defend this... hahahahaha monster poor job performance  Dude, athletes rep can't settle for 10% of athletes getting paid, and defend this trend publicly. Oh brother.  Epic dereliction of duty!

dont blame chick for his obliviousness.  It is very hard for a puppet to see the hand up his own ass, much less see that people are laughing AT him and not WITH him.

[Hedgehog]

They're scared that guys are going to jump.   

Me thinks PDI is the organisation that is facing guys jumping.

More guys, I mean.


I doubt that Alexander Frei guy will compete at the NOC either. Neither he or Sami el-Haddad, if I were to make a guess.

Looks like it will be an epic battle for second place between Jack London and Sean Allan.




Unless dzulboy realizes his threat of going PDI Pro.

YIP
Zack

[jwb]

relax 240 you'll blow a gasket...

marketing war? you think the IFBB even knows what "marketing" means?

[240 is Back]

If YOU think there's a marketing "war" going on with one company that's been around over 50 years, a history, magazines, millions of dollars in sponsors, hundreds of thousands of fan base, and the best bodybuilders in the world, contracts via competing/exposure....

If you're seriously denying a war, then perhaps the decision makers are keeping you in the dark, which might not be a bad idea.  But it's happening. IFBB is working to destroy it before it starts.  Of course the IFBB is the big dog.  But they're nervous.  One slip of momentum, 2 or 3 guys jump, suddenly they all go.  

...and the other company in it's 3rd go-round of getting off the ground, run by the guy fired from his position, hated by the athletes, refused to pay athletes claiming they "didn't deserve it", have managed to attract ONE current IFBB athlete, give pro cards out like free car washes, have already had more shows canceled than have taken place, etc, etc...

So, you're not competing with them, but as an IFBB guy who spends hours a day listing their flaws, um, what are you doing again?

Fan base as a direct result of performance is mostly responsible for 90% of the athletes making the most money...you think Joe Blow makes (or should make) more money than John Cena? What planet are you living on??

I never said low guys should make more than top guys.  But they should make SOMETHING.  If they're going to buy and use super supps, train 2 hours a day, diet and dry out, they should make SOMETHING for entering or placing in the top 50 collective guys of the year, even if it's only a small stipend.  Income that is lopsided leads to "win at any cost" attitude, and guys die trying to dry out, or break the law to pay the electric bill.

[Hedgehog]

I never said low guys should make more than top guys.  But they should make SOMETHING.  If they're going to buy and use super supps, train 2 hours a day, diet and dry out, they should make SOMETHING for entering or placing in the top 50 collective guys of the year, even if it's only a small stipend.  Income that is lopsided leads to "win at any cost" attitude, and guys die trying to dry out, or break the law to pay the electric bill.

Didn't Cicherillo just take a fight with someone at a Olympia Press Conference about this?

Cicherillo, who was this person you discussed prize money for all athletes with?

YIP
Zack

[dknole]

Evidence has NOT been presented in any way shape or form...not a picture, not a video, not a trophy, not a fan in attendance, not an official that was present,not a competitor in his class, no proof on the internet...only Tim Fogerty that believes an email he saw bearing some"honor roll" list...whatever that is.

Bob Gruskin himself can't find a score sheet, or anything else to back it up...Jack's memory only spans 10 years, thus taking the "5th"on naming fellow competitors, etc.

Try answering to any of THOSE arguments, 240....

Chick et al - watch the World NABBA Championiships where Jack/Rhino came in third. If you see his mugg on that video (which someone posted a link to by the 1997..) than Jack/Rhino told the truth, if he is nowhere on that tape, than he has more explaining to do. Pretty simple.

[240 is Back]

Bottom line, if you have 200 guys in a sport, the top 10 guys shouldn't be earning 90% of the cash.  

it's a recipe for disaster.  You have guys in the top 10 buying frivolous shit, 4 cars, etc, and guys #11-20 who can't afford to keep the lights on.

brutally poor distribution of prize monies.  You gotta spread it more.  Gustavo is not 15 times better than Toney Freeman, but the prize monies says he is.  Come on- all these guys are using and taking risks- spread the money better.

[Chick]

If you're seriously denying a war, then perhaps the decision makers are keeping you in the dark, which might not be a bad idea.  But it's happening. IFBB is working to destroy it before it starts.  Of course the IFBB is the big dog.  But they're nervous.  One slip of momentum, 2 or 3 guys jump, suddenly they all go. 

So, you're not competing with them, but as an IFBB guy who spends hours a day listing their flaws, um, what are you doing again?

I never said low guys should make more than top guys.  But they should make SOMETHING.  If they're going to buy and use super supps, train 2 hours a day, diet and dry out, they should make SOMETHING for entering or placing in the top 50 collective guys of the year, even if it's only a small stipend.  Income that is lopsided leads to "win at any cost" attitude, and guys die trying to dry out, or break the law to pay the electric bill.

Yeah, thats it...one slip of the 'ol momentum...and BAM!!

There goes the neighborhood...

 

[240 is Back]

Chick et al - watch the World NABBA Championiships where Jack/Rhino came in third. If you see his mugg on that video (which someone posted a link to by the 1997..) than Jack/Rhino told the truth, if he is nowhere on that tape, than he has more explaining to do. Pretty simple.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bodybuilding-Classic-1997-NABBA-World-Championships-VHS_W0QQitemZ200013807788QQihZ010QQcategoryZ309QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

EBay says he competed at that show.  but then again, Ebay might be in on the scam, along with jack, Wayne, NABBA, Gruskin, the bush administration, um...

[Chick]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bodybuilding-Classic-1997-NABBA-World-Championships-VHS_W0QQitemZ200013807788QQihZ010QQcategoryZ309QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

EBay says he competed at that show.  but then again, Ebay might be in on the scam, along with jack, Wayne, NABBA, Gruskin, the bush administration, um...

No one is disputing Jack's 3rd place finish at the NABBA Worlds...were disputing his N.American victory that was held in the Twilight Zone.

[rocket]

There may be commentary on the video that indicates he won that competition to qualify

No evidence is suspicious 240 and your picture speculation is amusing, yet a bit silly.

[ieffinhatecardio]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bodybuilding-Classic-1997-NABBA-World-Championships-VHS_W0QQitemZ200013807788QQihZ010QQcategoryZ309QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

EBay says he competed at that show.  but then again, Ebay might be in on the scam, along with jack, Wayne, NABBA, Gruskin, the bush administration, um...

So there's a video of the 97 show but none of the 96 show?

Apparently Jack could have competed via special invite so this doesn't prove he won in 96.

I've said it a thousand times now, post a picture and shut everyone up. Not only does he shut everyone up but he delivers a figurative beating to Chick. There is definitely something suspicious about his unwillingness to post a simple picture.

[Chick]

Didn't Cicherillo just take a fight with someone at a Olympia Press Conference about this?

Cicherillo, who was this person you discussed prize money for all athletes with?

YIP
Zack

Hmmmmmm...sounds mighty familiar....I believe it was the president of the PDI himself, Wayne DeMilia who stated that only the BEST guys should be making the money, and if you weren't good enough...then you didn't deserve to get paid.

Got a response to that 240?

[Woten]

No one is disputing Jack's 3rd place finish at the NABBA Worlds...were disputing his N.American victory that was held in the Twilight Zone.

Bob, at what level do you think a conspiracy has occured here?

Lets say Jack has fabricated the whole lot, well, he cannot have fabricated the comp win in a vacuum, he would have had to be accompanied by De Melia who is either fully complicit with the conspiracy, or at the very least, has been duped by Londons bullshit comp history

 

[240 is Back]

Jack said he won.  The NABBA chief said he won. The people who let him compete in the worlds accepted that he won.  wayne demilia accepted that he won.  

but bob chic doesn't.

I'm going to have to do a credibility analysis here.  

Let's see... jack/gruskin/nabba/wayne has never been wrong on getbig about 17,000 times.
Bob has.

jack/gruskin/nabba/wayne don't have an anti-PDi agenda.
Bob does.

jack/gruskin/nabba/wayne don't suck.
Bob sucks.


This concludes my dumbed-down analysis to match the quality of argument delivered by Bob Chic.  Pizza time.

[onlyme]

You're delusional.

If YOU think there's a marketing "war" going on with one company that's been around over 50 years, a history, magazines, millions of dollars in sponsors, hundreds of thousands of fan base, and the best bodybuilders in the world, contracts via competing/exposure....

...and the other company in it's 3rd go-round of getting off the ground, run by the guy fired from his position, hated by the athletes, refused to pay athletes claiming they "didn't deserve it", have managed to attract ONE current IFBB athlete, give pro cards out like free car washes, have already had more shows canceled than have taken place, etc, etc...

Fan base as a direct result of performance is mostly responsible for 90% of the athletes making the most money...you think Joe Blow makes (or should make) more money than John Cena? What planet are you living on??

Welcome to sports 101...

Chic there are marketing wars going on between the IFBB and PDI.  When the two major magazines in the industry refuse toallow PDI ads to be bought, that is called being scared and doing everything possible to halt the progress of the PDI.  When the IFBB spends so much time and effort to make sure EVERY IFBB pro know that they face suspension if they compete in the PDI is called being scared and doing everything possible to halt the progress of the PDI.   You know this or maybe you don't.  

And mentioning the IFBB has been around for 50 years and they are more fucked up now than 20 years ago is an embarassement to the IFBB and BB.  I really think you should think twice or maybe three times before ever referring to the IFBB being around for so long.  It doesn't look good.

Can you explain as simply as possible why the IFBB does not enforce the rules it has implemented regarding drug use and bad behavior of its members.  What is the reason why EVERY competitor (not just one or two) is tested at every show.  

[240 is Back]

Hmmmmmm...sounds mighty familiar....I believe it was the president of the PDI himself, Wayne DeMilia who stated that only the BEST guys should be making the money, and if you weren't good enough...then you didn't deserve to get paid.

Got a response to that 240?

chic, either the PDI matters or it doesnt.  You bring it up when you want to bash wayne, but otherwise you say it doesnt matter.  he's a threat, and you know it.  so just be honest man.

[Chick]

Bottom line, if you have 200 guys in a sport, the top 10 guys shouldn't be earning 90% of the cash. 

it's a recipe for disaster.  You have guys in the top 10 buying frivolous shit, 4 cars, etc, and guys #11-20 who can't afford to keep the lights on.

brutally poor distribution of prize monies.  You gotta spread it more.  Gustavo is not 15 times better than Toney Freeman, but the prize monies says he is.  Come on- all these guys are using and taking risks- spread the money better.

I've got news for you Mr. Economics...

reletively speaking, it's the same ratio to other sports. You think the guys kept on the practice squad in the NFL are even in the same universe compared to Peyton Manning?

I get $4,000 distributed to the bottom half, and you complain I aint doing anything for anyone else except the top guys??

[240 is Back]

Anyone remember when people respected bob chic?

Bob, I tried ignoring your attacks on PDI for a day and you started several glory-hound threads (like that apology which backfired).

Chic, you're a puppet man, i'm sorry, but you are.  You're deceptive and you're phony.  I might be an internet prick, but at least I'm honest.  You'll say anything to make the bosses happy.  You lack integrity.

[Woten]

I might be an internet prick, but at least I'm honest

hahahahahaha, quality post

[onlyme]

WHen AMI and the IFBB put a strnglehold on major avenues of marketing for the PDI, it is called being scared.,  How can you justify this.  There is no ryhme or reason.  Simply facts that cannot be defended by anyone including Chic.

[danielson]

chic, either the PDI matters or it doesnt.  You bring it up when you want to bash wayne, but otherwise you say it doesnt matter.  he's a threat, and you know it.  so just be honest man.

240, I have read every post you made about this matter, and I need to say, I am convinced that Jack won 100%. Who gives a fuck what bob thinks, anyway? fact: Jack is a beast, Jack is well liked. Jack won, plain and simple. Thanks for clearing it up 240. Your arguments are overwhelming and you facts impeccable. Chick, you just lost a fan. Not me, I never like you, anyway. But I am sure you alienated one of your fans somewhere. well, at least you still have 2 or 3 left

[ieffinhatecardio]

I've got news for you Mr. Economics...

reletively speaking, it's the same ratio to other sports. You think the guys kept on the practice squad in the NFL are even in the same universe compared to Peyton Manning?

I get $4,000 distributed to the bottom half, and you complain I aint doing anything for anyone else except the top guys??

This is where your argument fails. The guys on the practice squad for NFL teams make a decent living, enough to more than support themselves. Yet 90% of IFBB competitors don't make nearly enough to support themselves.

The same can be said of the two other major sports. Low level MLB players make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year as do low level NBA players.

Your analogy using the NFL doesn't work.

[240 is Back]

I've got news for you Mr. Economics...

reletively speaking, it's the same ratio to other sports. You think the guys kept on the practice squad in the NFL are even in the same universe compared to Peyton Manning?

I get $4,000 distributed to the bottom half, and you complain I aint doing anything for anyone else except the top guys??

Manning's per-year average salary is $14.17 million. Been in the league 8 years.

NFL minimum salary for an 8th year player is 710,000

Peyton makes 20 times more.

Ronnie gets 155k, Last place gets 4k.   Ronnie makes 39 times more than the last place finisher.

20 = 39 ?

Thanks, Mr Economics