Chick it's too warm to be christmas

[Hedgehog]

Bottom line, if you have 200 guys in a sport, the top 10 guys shouldn't be earning 90% of the cash. 

it's a recipe for disaster.  You have guys in the top 10 buying frivolous shit, 4 cars, etc, and guys #11-20 who can't afford to keep the lights on.

brutally poor distribution of prize monies.  You gotta spread it more.  Gustavo is not 15 times better than Toney Freeman, but the prize monies says he is.  Come on- all these guys are using and taking risks- spread the money better.

If this is your view...


Then I don't understand why you are actually doing work FOR Wayne DeMilia, and attacking the very guy (Cicherillo) who stood up against him?

On this matter, you and Cicherillo seems to be of same opinion.

Cicherillo has been arguing to get more money for low placers for years.

Will all competitors in the NOC get some money?


YIP
Zack

[onlyme]

I've got news for you Mr. Economics...

reletively speaking, it's the same ratio to other sports. You think the guys kept on the practice squad in the NFL are even in the same universe compared to Peyton Manning?

I get $4,000 distributed to the bottom half, and you complain I aint doing anything for anyone else except the top guys??

I thought we seriously was not going to compare the IFBB or BB to any major sport.  The association is embarassing to the other sports.  It's nice you got the bottom finishers money.  But inreality as someone stated before itwas really only $6,000. All theIFBB did was take the money used in the Challenge Round and redistribute it.  So, it's like it was a big thing.  The money was already there.

[OneMoreRep]

Chic, you're a puppet man, i'm sorry, but you are.  You're deceptive and you're phony.  I might be an internet prick, but at least I'm honest.  You'll say anything to make the bosses happy.  You lack integrity.

Rob,

Leave the name calling out of this.  You have a good debate going, don't lower your attack by resorting to kid-like antics.

Stay Hard,
1

[rocket]

This is all a secret plan by gmv to offload their excess stock of Worlds videos.

[240 is Back]

If this is your view...


Then I don't understand why you are actually doing work FOR Wayne DeMilia, and attacking the very guy (Cicherillo) who stood up against him?

On this matter, you and Cicherillo seems to be of same opinion.

Cicherillo has been arguing to get more money for low placers for years.

Will all competitors in the NOC get some money?


YIP
Zack

I dunno what prize monies are for the PDI - but if they suck, I'll be emailing Wayne with ideas, emailing sponsors with creative ideas, emailing guys with ideas... I'm not a PDI employee, I'm a web designer.  

My beef tonight, was Bob defending the sick money distribution.  It is awful in the IFBB, and it may be awful in the PDI too.  Mainstream appeal, longterm financial/health planning, and better money distribution are things I think will help guys most.

[Woten]

This is all a secret plan by gmv to offload their excess stock of Worlds videos.

Wanye is a tight wad

[onlyme]

This is where your argument fails. The guys on the practice squad for NFL teams make a decent living, enough to more than support themselves. Yet 90% of IFBB competitors don't make nearly enough to support themselves.

The same can be said of the two other major sports. Low level MLB players make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year as do low level NBA players.

Your analogy using the NFL doesn't work.

Yes, the problem with CHic constantly trying to compare the IFBB to any real major sport is the fact they ALL are making a minimum wage higher than 99% of every IFBB pro.  They are actually making money and getting paid by their employer.  The IFBB offers NOTHING. Big difference.

[240 is Back]

This is all a secret plan by gmv to offload their excess stock of Worlds videos.

If we have to crash a plane or two, you can bet we'll be aiming for a few Aussie loudmouths trying to spill the beans

[Chick]

Chic there are marketing wars going on between the IFBB and PDI.  When the two major magazines in the industry refuse toallow PDI ads to be bought, that is called being scared and doing everything possible to halt the progress of the PDI.  When the IFBB spends so much time and effort to make sure EVERY IFBB pro know that they face suspension if they compete in the PDI is called being scared and doing everything possible to halt the progress of the PDI.   You know this or maybe you don't. 

And mentioning the IFBB has been around for 50 years and they are more fucked up now than 20 years ago is an embarassement to the IFBB and BB.  I really think you should think twice or maybe three times before ever referring to the IFBB being around for so long.  It doesn't look good.

Can you explain as simply as possible why the IFBB does not enforce the rules it has implemented regarding drug use and bad behavior of its members.  What is the reason why EVERY competitor (not just one or two) is tested at every show. 

No problem, Keith...

Why would the two biggest magazines in the industry (which are both IFBB supporting/ based) allow a rival company to ADVERTISE? Does coke advertise Pepsi products? Does Ford put Chevy's in their commercials?

The IFBB has spent NO time telling their members about being suspended...it's been in the rulebook for 50 YEARS....

The IFBB has a drug policy and all it's members are subject to being tested...simple. The reason EVERY member isn't tested at EVERY show is simple...MONEY and TIME. It's a huge cost to test everyone, and the results wouldn't be available for weeks. You're already bitching about the lack of money, you think it would go over better if LESS was available to athletes because of testing?

Are you saying MORE fans would attend bodybuilding shows if there were drug tests for the athletes? Why don't thee Natural show attract any more tha 200 people at their shows then?

Come on, Keith you're smarter than this...

[240 is Back]

Manning's per-year average salary is $14.17 million. Been in the league 8 years.
NFL minimum salary for an 8th year player is 710,000
Peyton makes 20 times more.
Ronnie gets 155k, Last place gets 4k.   Ronnie makes 39 times more than the last place finisher.
20 = 39 ?

Thanks, Mr Economics

Perhaps we should have some fun with it and create a new wing in the very stagnant business math field.
  
We can call it Chiconomics.

Numbers don't really apply, it's more based upon emotion and relationships.
It was founded by evil scientists at a Canadian nonprofit org.
It doesn't see other types of math as competitors, but will bash them incessantly anyway.

Chiconomcs.  Hell yes.

[Hedgehog]

wayne don't suck.

What?

Are you referring to Wayne DeMilia?

The same Wayne DeMilia who made sure that only the top ten finishers in the Olympia would get prize money?

The same Wayne DeMilia who was responsible for fcuking up bodybuilding during the 90's?

That Wayne?

Come on man.

YIP
Zack

[ieffinhatecardio]

The IFBB has spent NO time telling their members about being suspended...it's been in the rulebook for 50 YEARS....

You and Shawn have spent plenty of time telling Lee he would be suspended, considering you and Shawn are mouthpieces for the IFBB then your above statement isn't exactly accurate.

[Chick]

Hmmmmmm...sounds mighty familiar....I believe it was the president of the PDI himself, Wayne DeMilia who stated that only the BEST guys should be making the money, and if you weren't good enough...then you didn't deserve to get paid.

Got a response to that 240?

Still looking for a response, bud.....

[onlyme]

If this is your view...


Then I don't understand why you are actually doing work FOR Wayne DeMilia, and attacking the very guy (Cicherillo) who stood up against him?

On this matter, you and Cicherillo seems to be of same opinion.

Cicherillo has been arguing to get more money for low placers for years.

Will all competitors in the NOC get some money?


YIP
Zack

Hedge, the thing about the PDI is it's new and can grow.  If it grows it will pass the IFFB in prize money.   This is just the first show.  How long was the IFBB in business before it started paying their competitors.   In addition, the IFBB has put a black eye on BB.  SO the PDI is attempting to break loose from the negative image the IFBB has put in the minds of the public and sponsors.  Like I said before, I hope some of you go to the NOC and look in the audience.  You are going to see some people you know and are the real people who are keeping the IFBB going.  You are going to be very surprised with what they are doing.  They have  bought tickets and have committed. I promise it WILL HURT the IFBB.  DOn't under estimate Wayne and his contacts and friends.  He has been doing longer than anyone here and know thousand time mnore about the business than anyone on here combined.  No matter what has happened in the past, it appears not that many hold grudges.  

[ieffinhatecardio]

Still looking for a response, bud.....

240, he's kind of got you there. Do you have a comment?

[gary67]

240, I have read every post you made about this matter, and I need to say, I am convinced that Jack won 100%. Who gives a f**k what bob thinks, anyway? fact: Jack is a beast, Jack is well liked. Jack won, plain and simple. Thanks for clearing it up 240. Your arguments are overwhelming and you facts impeccable. Chick, you just lost a fan. Not me, I never like you, anyway. But I am sure you alienated one of your fans somewhere. well, at least you still have 2 or 3 left

Yeah I am sure Shawn still loves Bob don't worry You and Shawn are still the top ASS KISSERS for the IFBB  Nobody can take that away from you guys

[240 is Back]

Still looking for a response, bud.....

Bud,

I responded.  Look up.  If the PDI money sucks, I'll be on here saying the same thing. This isn't a political thing, it's a standard-of-living thing.  

Your guys are broke, and instead of thinking about ways to improve this, you're spending your days bashing jack london.  Even worse, the IFBB guys have to have a majority (101 of their 200?) to get something submitted.  So you're not an onlooker, you're more like a roadblock.

Bud.

[rocket]

Waynes best idea was reinventing himself into some sort of human rights advocate for bodybuilders.  It wasn't that long ago of course he was talking shit about them all - having them hate him.

[Woten]

Is anyone popping into town later?

What will you be upto? dinner? pub? a quick fight/puke/fuck against a wall then off to the food shop/takeaway before returning home to bed?

I think I may pop out to a musical, but then again, maybe not

So come on, let the world know what youre plans for tonight are

[ieffinhatecardio]

Bud,

I responded.  Look up.  If the PDI money sucks, I'll be on here saying the same thing. This isn't a political thing, it's a standard-of-living thing.  

Your guys are broke, and instead of thinking about ways to improve this, you're spending your days bashing jack london.  Even worse, the IFBB guys have to have a majority (101 of their 200?) to get something submitted.  So you're not an onlooker, you're more like a roadblock.

Bud.

Considering Wayne's track record do you really think he cares about the PDI's bodybuilders? Do you think he cares about the well being of Lee or is he just using him as the face of the PDI because he knows Lee is a bit of a rebel?

You're backing a guy that didn't give two schits about bodybuilders when he was running the IFBB what makes you think he cares about them now?

[onlyme]

No problem, Keith...

Why would the two biggest magazines in the industry (which are both IFBB supporting/ based) allow a rival company to ADVERTISE? Does coke advertise Pepsi products? Does Ford put Chevy's in their commercials?

The IFBB has spent NO time telling their members about being suspended...it's been in the rulebook for 50 YEARS....

The IFBB has a drug policy and all it's members are subject to being tested...simple. The reason EVERY member isn't tested at EVERY show is simple...MONEY and TIME. It's a huge cost to test everyone, and the results wouldn't be available for weeks. You're already bitching about the lack of money, you think it would go over better if LESS was available to athletes because of testing?

Are you saying MORE fans would attend bodybuilding shows if there were drug tests for the athletes? Why don't thee Natural show attract any more tha 200 people at their shows then?

Come on, Keith you're smarter than this...

I don't know I've never seen the Coke magazine.  Flex and M&F are supposed to promote BB.  Your analogy just doesn't hold water.  TimeMagazine and others have ads for Chevy,ford,mercedes, etc. The leading magazines in any industry promote all companies.  Sports Illustrated, Field & Stream, Vogue etc.  ANd I am not saying drug testing in that sense, I was making reference to the implementation of rules.  If the IFBB was not scared or worried abuot the PDI then why all of a sudden such a strict enforcement of this rule but  not the drug testing rules which is openly broken at every show.

In addition, M&F and Flex promote BB worldwide.  No  place on it or in it does it say it is an IFBB magazine.  Doesn't it in fact have something on the cover saying something about BB industry or something.  If the magazine was called IFBB then I would see your point, but since it is a magazine that promotes BB, then they should not restrict the PDI advertising............u nless they were scared.  Andyou have said numerous times how they are not scsared or even think about the PDI, yet they pull this.


And my fucking  space key isn't working right and it's pissing me off typing

[rocket]

Is anyone popping into town later?

What will you be upto? dinner? pub? a quick fight/puke/fuck against a wall then off to the food shop/takeaway before returning home to bed?

I think I may pop out to a musical, but then again, maybe not

So come on, let the world know what youre plans for tonight are

I personally am still sick, suffering some mental degradation from such a state and am unlikely to achieve anything but sitting in this chair.

Though I plan to do several self satisfying turds during the course of the day.  Looking forward to them.

[240 is Back]

Still looking for a response, bud.....

You haven't mentioned anything about that little ratio issue, bud.  

Peyton makes 20 times what the scrubs do.  Ronnie makes 39 times what the O scrubs do, and compared to most IFBB guys who earn nothing...

Speak on it.

[240 is Back]

You're backing a guy that didn't give two schits about bodybuilders when he was running the IFBB what makes you think he cares about them now?

I'm backing an organization which will being comptition to the IFBB and will prevent either org from being a monopoly. 

I'll support org #3 and 4 when they arrive too!

[Chick]

Bud,

I responded.  Look up.  If the PDI money sucks, I'll be on here saying the same thing. This isn't a political thing, it's a standard-of-living thing. 

Your guys are broke, and instead of thinking about ways to improve this, you're spending your days bashing jack london.  Even worse, the IFBB guys have to have a majority (101 of their 200?) to get something submitted.  So you're not an onlooker, you're more like a roadblock.

Bud.

Thanks for that answer, now try to ask the question at hand...WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WAYNE'S COMMENTS AND HIS POSITION ABOUT NOT PAYING ATHLETES???