Chick it's too warm to be christmas

[Woten]

I personally am still sick, suffering some mental degradation from such a state and am unlikely to achieve anything but sitting in this chair.

Though I plan to do several self satisfying turds during the course of the day.  Looking forward to them.

Oh, thats unfortunate Rocket mate, you simply must keep your fluids up, lots of vitamin C together with lots of other cliched shit

Dont stay up too late and over-reach yourself if you hear your cosy bed calling

Get well soon mate

[Hedgehog]

Hedge, the thing about the PDI is it's new and can grow.  If it grows it will pass the IFFB in prize money.   This is just the first show.  How long was the IFBB in business before it started paying their competitors.   In addition, the IFBB has put a black eye on BB.  SO the PDI is attempting to break loose from the negative image the IFBB has put in the minds of the public and sponsors.  Like I said before, I hope some of you go to the NOC and look in the audience.  You are going to see some people you know and are the real people who are keeping the IFBB going.  You are going to be very surprised with what they are doing.  They have  bought tickets and have committed. I promise it WILL HURT the IFBB.  DOn't under estimate Wayne and his contacts and friends.  He has been doing longer than anyone here and know thousand time mnore about the business than anyone on here combined.  No matter what has happened in the past, it appears not that many hold grudges. 

I hope that PDI will be something good.

Ther problem I have with PDI, is that Wayne DeMilia is involved, and the history of that guy. He fcuked up bodybuilding real bad.

But hey, benefit of a doubt, why not?

Guys like you onlyme, who really wants to create an alternative.

The idea of an organisation where more classic physiques would be awarded...

I like that very much.

But to read about Rhino (that guy could probably be a world clas pwerlifter anytime BTW) upping his dosages, and going to close to 300 lbs in the off-season...

Where is the difference from the IFBB?

It's just the same shit, but with the guys who couldn't get their pro cards.

And a guest posing by Lee Priest.

I want to believe though. Without the history of DeMilia, it would be easier, but to forgive is a good deed...

YIP
Zack

[240 is Back]

Thanks for that answer, now try to ask the question at hand...WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WAYNE'S COMMENTS AND HIS POSITION ABOUT NOT PAYING ATHLETES???

I'm sorry, you're not going to get a quote out of me on 2002 IFBB politics.

if it happens in the PDI, I'll give plenty of quotes.

Now, are you focused upon the 2002 IFBB Wayne policy, or the 2006 IFBB Athletes Issue?

[ieffinhatecardio]

I'm backing an organization which will being comptition to the IFBB and will prevent either org from being a monopoly. 

I'll support org #3 and 4 when they arrive too!

I agree that a new organization is a good thing but Wayne's track record speaks for itself.

Maybe another organization lead by another man would be more successful. The PDI is doomed.

[Kegdrainer]

lol....

Jack "i saw the sky, and the sky is blue"
Bob "no it isn't, you're a liar"
rob "yes it is, it's blue, seen it on the net."
wayne "i saw it too, definitely blue"
Nabba "sources confirm blue"
Australian ebay seller "I have a picture of the sky, it's blue"
Bob "definitely not blue"

you look like a fool

[Chick]

You haven't mentioned anything about that little ratio issue, bud. 

Peyton makes 20 times what the scrubs do.  Ronnie makes 39 times what the O scrubs do, and compared to most IFBB guys who earn nothing...

Speak on it.

I can easily find two guys making a 39:1 ratio, Bud...the point is the same. It's reletive in sports.

The PDI offers far less than the IFBB, yet you question nothing when it comes to Wayne or the questionable moves by his organization...

If you were TRULY for the athletes' well being, you would be all over the PDI like flies on shit...asking the same questions you were grilling Shawn about his Colorado pro.

[240 is Back]

Maybe another organization lead by another man would be more successful.

I love it!  Once wayne makes org #2 a success, a lot of guys will look at the athletes money issue (if there is one) and come up with org #3, which might end up being the ideal solution.   Or, org #1 and 2 will feel the heat from the other and improve atheltes wages first.  

Competition cannot hurt.  not one bit.

[ieffinhatecardio]

you look like a fool

This post is the epitome of irony.

[240 is Back]

I can easily find two guys making a 39:1 ratio, Bud...the point is the same. It's reletive in sports.

You cited Peyton Manning and the NFL minimum.  I did the math.

You threw out the top and bottom guy, and I did the math, for both the NFL and the IFBB.

Please tell me where I made the mistake, Mr Economics.

[Chick]

I'm sorry, you're not going to get a quote out of me on 2002 IFBB politics.

if it happens in the PDI, I'll give plenty of quotes.

Now, are you focused upon the 2002 IFBB Wayne policy, or the 2006 IFBB Athletes Issue?

Excuse me, It's still Wayne...circa 2002 or 2006, take your pick.

Why won't you answer the question? Unlike certain shows which can't be verified, this is on tape and can be quoted verbatim.

[240 is Back]

Excuse me, It's still Wayne...circa 2002 or 2006, take your pick.

Why won't you answer the question? Unlike certain shows which can't be verified, this is on tape and can be quoted verbatim.

I don't know what the PDI money picture is.  You can ask me, but I don't know the details, like most don't.  I invite you to email wayne and ask him.  PM me for his email address if you need it.

[Chick]

You cited Peyton Manning and the NFL minimum.  I did the math.

You threw out the top and bottom guy, and I did the math, for both the NFL and the IFBB.

Please tell me where I made the mistake, Mr Economics.

Your mistake was using the league minimum...I specifically said "practice squad"...these are guys that are technically on the team, yet do not derive a league min. They practice hard, and hope to make the team one day...If you know what THEY make, feel free to educate me...

[ieffinhatecardio]

I can easily find two guys making a 39:1 ratio, Bud...the point is the same. It's reletive in sports.

The point is even the lowliest NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL players make more than enough to live a decent life yet only about 12 or so IFBB members TOTAL make enough to live off of. This isn't your fault of course but you have to admit it's shocking. The fact that only 12 or so bodybuilders earn enough money off of bodybuilding to live is ridiculous.

[Woten]

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[Hedgehog]

Excuse me, It's still Wayne...circa 2002 or 2006, take your pick.

Why won't you answer the question? Unlike certain shows which can't be verified, this is on tape and can be quoted verbatim.

Why would DeMilia change opinion in regards to the athletes?

Personally, I'm worrying about Lee Priest getting shafted by DeMilia, or the other competitors at the NOC as well.

Teh Fcuking idit list:

1. DeMilia
2. Manion


YIP
Zack

[ieffinhatecardio]

Your mistake was using the league minimum...I specifically said "practice squad"...these are guys that are technically on the team, yet do not derive a league min. They practice hard, and hope to make the team one day...If you know what THEY make, feel free to educate me...

$3,500 a week and that was back in 1998.

[240 is Back]

Your mistake was using the league minimum...I specifically said "practice squad"...these are guys that are technically on the team, yet do not derive a league min. They practice hard, and hope to make the team one day...If you know what THEY make, feel free to educate me...

You bragged about the O money - which I think would apply to those who are ACTIVE competitors.  I spoke of the guys who do the same thing- diet, gear, compete, yet earn 40 times less, and you made the challenge.

So now you want to make it about a non-competitor vs. Ronnie?  Are you serious?

Chic, if i was in cali right now, I would smack you with an Economics book.

[240 is Back]

Chic, if i was in cali right now, I would smack you with an Economics book.

Sued!

[Chick]

I love it!  Once wayne makes org #2 a success, a lot of guys will look at the athletes money issue (if there is one) and come up with org #3, which might end up being the ideal solution.   Or, org #1 and 2 will feel the heat from the other and improve atheltes wages first. 

Competition cannot hurt.  not one bit.

I agree, REAL competition wouldn't hurt, and would bolster my position for the athletes a great deal...unfortunately, the PDI ain't it. They would have to offer something the IFBB doesn't, (they don't) or be competitve from a competition standpoint (they're not)....They actually offer LESS to athletes, and thus offer no real competiton to the IFBB, anyways.

[Woten]

Chic, if i was in cali right now, I would smack you with an Economics book.

will anyone here stand the money to buy Rob a plane ticket to Cali? lets get this shit on!!!

[onlyme]

I really don't know Wayne's track record.  But he has told numerous things inconfidence that happened that made him look bad to the BB's but in fact he was doing what he was told by the owner.  I really tend to believe  Wayne cause he is the one out front and being heard and seen by the competitors and public.  Manion and Weiders hide when the shit is hitting the fan and are always in the front when something good happens. That is the sign of a shady person.  I have done business with Manion, Weider and Wayne.  The only person honest and up front and has done what he told me he was  going to do is Wayne.  There are so many things I read on here that you guys blame Wayne for and it pisses me off and I will call him or email.  He will explain the entire situation to me and 100% of what he expalins makes sense.  The IFBB had Wayne as their spokesperson.  He was the bearer of whatever news had to be given.  Good or bad he did it. Ben told him what to  do and he did it.  It was his job.  An absolute perfect analogy is the  military.  When your commanding officer gives you an order, you do it cause that is what you are there for.  You guys blame Wayne for not paying the lower tier at the Olympia.  If Ben and Joe disagreed with this then why did they not come forward to increase the prize money.  They told Wayne not to increase cause it would cut into the bottom line and there take would be less. It truly is that simple.  Honestly, some of you on here are 100 times smarter than me includng Chic, but if you can't figure out that Wayne was simply  following orders from his superior thenI swear I allot smarter than I thought.  Weiders are control freaks, how can Wayne make any decision without their approval or say so.  How can anyone think this.  I  just don't get it.

[240 is Back]

I agree, REAL competition wouldn't hurt, and would bolster my position for the athletes a great deal...unfortunately, the PDI ain't it. They would have to offer something the IFBB doesn't, (they don't) or be competitve from a competition standpoint (they're not)....They actually offer LESS to athletes, and thus offer no real competiton to the IFBB, anyways.

LOL... "real competition wouldn't hurt"

Wait, didn't you make it abundantly clear that there was only room for ONE bbing federation?

[Chick]

LOL... "real competition wouldn't hurt"

Wait, didn't you make it abundantly clear that there was only room for ONE bbing federation?

No, I don't believe there are enough world class bbers out there to support two equal federations...at least none that fans would support. There have been other federations for many years, and none of them are even close to the IFBB, or he athletes making any money from them...

In a perfect world, yes, there would be other federations of equal talent/ money...that aint the case in this world however, nor do I beleive there is sufficient sponsorship dollars to support another federation..

McMahon couldn't make it work with millions, TV, a supplement company and top athletes...Wayne has two chances..slim and none.

[240 is Back]

Wayne has two chances..slim and none.

Your priorities are with the IFBB guys.
The PDI isn't a threat.
You aren't worried at all.



Yet you talk about them for hours a day.

[Chick]

Your priorities are with the IFBB guys.
The PDI isn't a threat.
You aren't worried at all.



Yet you talk about them for hours a day.

Why DO you think they are?