Move to get the IFBB rules followed!

[Lee_a_priest]

Without Joe and Ben Weider, bodybuilding wouldn't even be in the mix. 


Fact is Lee, you being the only actual IFBB pro athlete competing in the PDI says a lot.  You are only acting out of your own self-justification.  All you care about is yourself.  Yeah, f**k everyone except me is what your little brain tells you every day.


And getting on-stage to whip up on some rank amateurs is pathetic to say the least.  Pick on someone your own size, like maybe one of the seven dwarfs from Snow White. 


Lee, your career is essentially over.  Better stick with racing.....Boy...

Vince you don't know one thing about me so please spare us your bullshit.I will see you at the Olympia so save your remarks for then.

[Lee_a_priest]

Now this statement is true - without these two, and the IFBB, we wouldnt have professional bodybuilding, for what it is, the way it is now. No matter what, these guys built it up, and the people below them helped grow the sport. And many of us make our money, from contract, from supplements, from the supplement industry, because of them. For good and bad.  But that is a debate for another thread.

Ron don't be stupid you think no one else would have come along and start one? Please Ron and if it wasn't for the Weiders we wouldn't have trainig cause they made all those training principles.Cause these two are the only two in the whole world who could have started a bodybuilding league. UMMMM ok Ron.

[sgt. d]

Vince you don't know one thing about me so please spare us your bullshit.I will see you at the Olympia so save your remarks for then.

You still plan on going to the olympia ? Watch out for Vince

[gatrainer]

Vince you don't know one thing about me so please spare us your         .I will see you at the Olympia so save your remarks for then.

he knows how to get under your skin Leigh

[Lee_a_priest]

You are kidding...right?

No that is true never been about the money.

[onlyme]

Is there anything you approve of?

I've seen your photgraphy.  I do think that is verygood.

[onlyme]

Vince you don't know one thing about me so please spare us your bullshit.I will see you at the Olympia so save your remarks for then.

Yea, Vince better watch out.  Cause you have Lee and about several other dozen people wanting to greet you with closed fists open arms.  And so far I am going too, so hopefully I can knock you out bump into you.

[Special Ed]

Which brings me to another thought:

I own a small supplement company (AtLarge Nutrition, LLC).  If every person on this site who buys supplements were to support my company via purchasing from us and getting their contacts (friends and family) to do so I could begin to make a difference in bodybuilding.

Let me be clear, I do not consider myself to be a great man but I am someone with integrity and a love for FAIR competition.  Much like I have already begun to do with powerlifting if my company were to grow due to bodybuilding I would pour money back into the sport.  Like most of you who are reading this I very much dislike the problems that abound in the sport now.  There is no need to rehash it all here; you know what the problems are.

Think of it this way, the ad budgets for some of the bigger supplement companies would be more than sufficient to start a new federation that was nicely funded. 

As I have stated in the powerlifting world my goal is to build my company to the point where I can give back to the sports that support it and create a better strength sports world.  I have never said this publicly, buy my ultimate goal would be to grow my company to Weider-like proportions and create new professional bodybuilding and powerlifting federations that were run free of political b.s. and the other unprofessional problems that are so manifest in strength sports today.

Why do I want to do this?  Practically from the day I first started training I loved strength sports of all types and the more I have gotten to know about the inner workings of said sport I have felt really compelled to try to make a difference.  When I see a bodybuilder get ill and have no way to pay his/her medical bills or when I see a powerlifter or bodybuilder have to hold a grueling full-time job while simultaneously being a top-tier athlete in their respective sport I cannot help but think what a travesty that is.  These athletes and their sports help to generate supplement and gear (powerlifting gear) companies millions of dollars yet they don't have a pot to piss in.  BAD DEAL!

Frankly, I feel a bit silly typing this as I am essentially outlining my dream/goal but I think it is important to let others know.  WHERE YOU SPEND YOUR DOLLARS DIRECTLY EFFECTS THE SPORTS YOU LOVE.  IF YOU WANT TO BUILD TOWARDS A BETTER TOMORROW SUPPORT MY COMPANY.

Spam maybe, but this is how I TRULY feel and I feel compelled to say it now.

Chris, I hear you. I have a great idea. Use me as your guinea pig to show the world how effective your supplements are. I will take whatever you recommend and work out regularly and eat clean. We can do before and after photos. AtLarge can use me in their ads without compensation and prove to society how supplements really work. Your company will take off, you'll make millions, and together we shall rule the universe. Right now, I'm 5'11 and 240 lbs. I'd like to be able to get to 6'1 and a lean 220. Show me the Honey! Or Bee Pollen!

Special "Oink" Ed

[tom joad]

*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.

why would a doctor legally prescribe steroids for you?  are you dying of aids or some other muscle wasting disease?  you look to be reasonably healthy.

[sgt. d]

I will be glad when all of this is over. We cant even have a decent convo about the olympia. Bob, just let Lee compete in the Pdi so he will stop crying.

[muscleforlife]

One dollar.  Ok, just don't agree to any non disclosure contracts.

It's no fun if everyone isn't allowed to know that the ifbb caved.
Sandra

[muscleforlife]

Chic, you are wrong there.  Obviously you ARE NOT in the know as much as you think.  Like I said on here awhile back I talked to a few IFBB pros (in the top 25) who were at the Anaheim show and they told me the biggest thing any of them were talking about was the PDI and how it would be good to switch.  No competitor is happy with the IFBB.  That is a fact.  Excpt you of course and Ronnie and Jay and less than 5 others.  That is called a minority.  And remember you too are a one many army.  It has been proven time and time agian by the attendance at your meetings you call.

This thread is going on and on.  But the other ifbb pro who showed interest was Vince Taylor, he eventually backed out but the interest was there.  And Galanti is aiming for his pro card, another who was interested but backed out.

So those were open about their interest.  I think others are taking the "wait and see" attitude.

I just read the MD article with Denise.  Not that I think it is a bad thing....psuedo vampire and BDSM in women's  bodybuilding...
I think it makes it more interesting even if it is against the rules.

Sandra

[getfast81]

Blah blah blah.  Quit beating a dead horse.  Is anyone watching the news? Barry Bonds, Floyd Landis, MLB, what do they have in common?   JUICE!!!!!!!!!  And what is the federal government doing to anything possible to get rid of (examples tapping ball players in MLB lockerooms to get leads, indicting Barry Bonds on any charge possible to get him in court to expose him and steriods in sports)?  JUICE.  Bodybuilding unfortunately will be on the chopping block.  Craig Titus didnt help.  Balco.  This deal is not over.  Instead of bitching and complaining about the IFBB you better start looking for more sports to enjoy because within a year or two the sport will change for worse or better depending on your point of view.  IFBB rules wont matter because someone else will enforce the law..................... .......

[Jr. Yates]

Blah blah blah.  Quit beating a dead horse.  Is anyone watching the news? Barry Bonds, Floyd Landis, MLB, what do they have in common?   JUICE!!!!!!!!!  And what is the federal government doing to anything possible to get rid of (examples tapping ball players in MLB lockerooms to get leads, indicting Barry Bonds on any charge possible to get him in court to expose him and steriods in sports)?  JUICE.  Bodybuilding unfortunately will be on the chopping block.  Craig Titus didnt help.  Balco.  This deal is not over.  Instead of bitching and complaining about the IFBB you better start looking for more sports to enjoy because within a year or two the sport will change for worse or better depending on your point of view.  IFBB rules wont matter because someone else will enforce the law..................... .......

very true.

[chris_mason]

Chris, I hear you. I have a great idea. Use me as your guinea pig to show the world how effective your supplements are. I will take whatever you recommend and work out regularly and eat clean. We can do before and after photos. AtLarge can use me in their ads without compensation and prove to society how supplements really work. Your company will take off, you'll make millions, and together we shall rule the universe. Right now, I'm 5'11 and 240 lbs. I'd like to be able to get to 6'1 and a lean 220. Show me the Honey! Or Bee Pollen!

Special "Oink" Ed

If you were not always so darn sarcastic I might be happy to let you try them and state your opinion here.

No, we don't sell any bee pollen or the like.

[befit124]

Bob, if I understand correctly you represent the athletes not the athlete and told Lee to come forward with a group and you would fight for the right to change the rule. You said he is only one person, but when Don Long came to you for support in competing you helped him even though you thought it was a bad idea. Why didn't you tell him to get Tom Pince and Flex Wheeler to come with him and you would help them all have the chance to come back. I know Tom and Flex aren't looking to come back but why support Don in a life threatening decision which you don't approve of and it can only potentially hurt him and not support Lee who is only trying to better livelihoods. H e may not have people in line to support him but did Don.

[befit124]

Lee, are you going to be able to round up enough people to vote on the secret ballot that Bob has offered you.

[Chick]

Bob, if I understand correctly you represent the athletes not the athlete and told Lee to come forward with a group and you would fight for the right to change the rule. You said he is only one person, but when Don Long came to you for support in competing you helped him even though you thought it was a bad idea. Why didn't you tell him to get Tom Pince and Flex Wheeler to come with him and you would help them all have the chance to come back. I know Tom and Flex aren't looking to come back but why support Don in a life threatening decision which you don't approve of and it can only potentially hurt him and not support Lee who is only trying to better livelihoods. H e may not have people in line to support him but did Don.

1.) weree talking about two entirely different situations.

2.) Even though I don't personally think Don should compete, as his rep, It's my job to make sure he gets a fair shake, and that's exactly what I did.

3.) Don wants to compete as an IFBB pro.

Lee has made his wishes known to the IFBB, it doesn't need to be submitted again. Lee isn't getting "screwed", he's held to the same standard and rules as the rest of us are.

Lee is trying to compete in a different federation, clearly against the rules...a rule they won't change, and certainly not for 1 guy. I'm the IFBB athletes rep, I help IFBB athletes in reguards to IFBB related matters...the PDI isn't one of them.

 

[befit124]

thanks Bob, I'll accept that I'm curious what Lees answer to my question is.

[befit124]

But you are still Lees rep also and he wants a ruled changed so you should try to help him get it changed.

[240 is Back]

2.) Even though I don't personally think Don should compete, as his rep, It's my job to make sure he gets a fair shake,

I thought you said your job was "to protect an athlete from himself"?

[befit124]

you did say that Bob

[Chick]

But you are still Lees rep also and he wants a ruled changed so you should try to help him get it changed.

Why? No one else is looking to get it changed. As I've stated numerous times now...you can't change a rule for 1 guy.

[240 is Back]

Why? No one else is looking to get it changed. As I've stated numerous times now...you can't change a rule for 1 guy.

You have flipflopped here.

You have said it woudl have to be 51% of the guys. 
You have also said "some" of the guys.
You have even said you'd put it in for consideration, if Lee woudl just write it up.

Why change the standards so often?

[Chick]

You have flipflopped here.

You have said it woudl have to be 51% of the guys. 
You have also said "some" of the guys.
You have even said you'd put it in for consideration, if Lee woudl just write it up.

Why change the standards so often?

There is no flip flopping...same as always.

First off, I have no standards to go by...I'm free to run my meetings as I wish, as often as I wish, with whatever manner I see fit. I like the athletes to have a say in what gets proposed...I CHOOSE to have it by the majority...I at least have to see an interest by others, as I represent the group. So far, there is none.

BTW...since you're so fond of pointing out my grammer/ spelling errors..."would" is spelled W-O-U-L-D