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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #225 on: August 10, 2006, 07:12:05 PM »
Lee, I support your PDI endeavors 100% but you never answered my question on page 9 and that was the 2nd time I asked.

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #226 on: August 10, 2006, 07:59:36 PM »


Now this statement is true - without these two, and the IFBB, we wouldnt have professional bodybuilding, for what it is, the way it is now. No matter what, these guys built it up, and the people below them helped grow the sport. And many of us make our money, from contract, from supplements, from the supplement industry, because of them. For good and bad.  But that is a debate for another thread.



this isn't meant to be a cheap shot but one could also say that without these two, some "athletes" may not be getting sick to extent that they are today....Simply by having strict drug testing...Which should have been done many many years ago...Which these two pretended in there mags that it was not going on...Shame on them....Muscle Media blow it wide open and showed just what was really going on...

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #227 on: August 10, 2006, 08:49:47 PM »
Lee, I support your PDI endeavors 100% but you never answered my question on page 9 and that was the 2nd time I asked.
probaly not they all complain and don't do shit

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #228 on: August 10, 2006, 09:09:50 PM »
Article 8 – Drug Testing

1. Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
The practice of doping is forbidden.

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #229 on: August 10, 2006, 09:41:34 PM »
Article 8 – Drug Testing

1. Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
The practice of doping is forbidden.

The IFBB Rules, Code of Conduct, and Constitution are in PDF format on their website. If you downloaded them and printed them out on soft paper, it would substitute very well for toilet paper as that's about all it's good for.

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #230 on: August 10, 2006, 09:49:48 PM »
Article 8 – Drug Testing

1. Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
The practice of doping is forbidden.


Here is some more great TP.

APPENDIX 1
to the
IFBB “ADMINISTRATIVE” PROFESSIONAL RULES
IFBB CODE OF ETHICS
Introduction:
The IFBB Code of Ethics exist as a set of beliefs that have been written to serve as guidelines for the
way in which all Members, be they athletes, judges, officials, administrators or others, should strive to
conduct themselves as Members of the IFBB family. National Federations and other Members join
the IFBB of their own free will and, in so doing, agree to abide by the IFBB Constitution and Rules of
which the Code of Ethics forms an integral part. Any Member who is found to have contravened the
Code of Ethics may be subject to disciplinary measures.
Athletes:
We, the athletes, realizing that our conduct reflects on the good name of the sport of bodybuilding,
fitness and figure, and realizing the responsibility thereby placed upon us, pledge ourselves:
1. to fulfill our responsibility to society, to other athletes, judges, officials, and administrators
of the IFBB.
2. to honour, dignify, and support the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure by competing in
the best condition and to the best of our ability, and by being in top shape when giving an
exhibition or a seminar.
3. to respect our opponents on equal terms in the spirit of friendly rivalry and good
sportsmanship.
4. to respect the IFBB Constitution and Rules as well as the rules of competition and to
observe them honestly in cooperation with other competitors, judges, officials,
administrators, and organizers.
5. to accept the decisions of the judges, officials and administrators in the spirit of good
sportsmanship without descending to selfish recriminations, realizing that these decisions
have been made honestly, fairly, and objectively.
6. to assist the IFBB in the promotion of bodybuilding, fitness and figure by acting as a
goodwill ambassador of the sport, promoting the sport in a positive manner, and protecting
the good image and integrity of the sport and the IFBB.
7. to work for the IFBB, not against it, in promoting its values, morals and ethics; to exercise
our right of protest in a courteous, respectful manner, following the proper chain of
command; to refrain from malicious gossip and rumour-mongering; to refrain from personal
attacks against any other Member of the IFBB.
8. to continue striving for bodily perfection and correct moral principles.
9. to honour the special trust conferred upon us by our participation in, and by our
representation of, the IFBB and our country, at international events, and to adhere to the
standards of personal conduct expected of us.
10. to recognize the value of bodybuilding, fitness and figure and to promote its future by
serving as an example to inspire other people to participate.
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11. to cooperate with our officials and administrators in the development of high standards,
both moral and physical, for the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure and in the
progressive furtherance of the objects of the IFBB.
12. to oppose the use of banned substances and methods and to compete drug-free.13. to refrain from any conduct that may be considered prejudicial; to conduct ourselves at all
times in a manner that reflects positively upon the image of the sport of bodybuilding,
fitness and figure, the Pro Division and the IFBB.

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #231 on: August 10, 2006, 10:30:07 PM »


12. to oppose the use of banned substances and methods and to compete drug-free.

What does ''competing drug-free'' mean?????

Having no drugs in your system at the time of competing, or drug free for a couple of months or years?
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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #232 on: August 11, 2006, 08:32:31 AM »
probaly not they all complain and don't do shit

Lee,

I suggest you find some way to have that PDF of the IFBB rules printed up, dated and notarized as legitimate. Else, when you end up in court, all the "will result" quotes in the rulebook will have been changed to "may result", and you'll be in big trouble.  You won't be able to prove they were modiifed.

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #233 on: August 11, 2006, 08:46:58 AM »
Lee,

I suggest you find some way to have that PDF of the IFBB rules printed up, dated and notarized as legitimate. Else, when you end up in court, all the "will result" quotes in the rulebook will have been changed to "may result", and you'll be in big trouble.  You won't be able to prove they were modiifed.

All the rules state that now...(may result in, may be subject to, etc...) I've been pointing that out since day 1...

The other thing Lee doesn't realize is that the "Code of conduct" rules he's so fond of reciting, are merely "guidelines"...basically they SUGGEST that they are followed and tell us that you may be subject to diciplinary action, blah, blah....But there is a clear difference between the RULE of competing in a non sanctioned show, and the GUIDELINES suggesting not engaging in nudity, porn,offensive language, etc.


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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #234 on: August 11, 2006, 08:52:33 AM »
Chick, the rules clearly state that doping is forbidden. Period. That they don't test the pros is known by guys like me who are apparently out of the loop. What are you doing about this? Or do you use, too, and so does everyone else in the so-called professional division and therefore since everyone does use drugs you can't do anything about it.

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #235 on: August 11, 2006, 08:59:26 AM »
Chick, the rules clearly state that doping is forbidden. Period. That they don't test the pros is known by guys like me who are apparently out of the loop. What are you doing about this? Or do you use, too, and so does everyone else in the so-called professional division and therefore since everyone does use drugs you can't do anything about it.

Doping IS against the rules...and if were caught, we face being fined, suspended, etc. If and when the IFBB decides to test...that's up to them...why would I "do anything about it?" Who's bitchin?

In the same manner as competing in other federations, no one has brought it up to me (the athletes)....when I see a significant number of athletes demanding to be drug tested, I'll submit it in a proposal on their behalf.

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #236 on: August 11, 2006, 09:07:23 AM »
Bob, you are a gem. I think you spend too much time online. I confess I do, too. We used to give a Mr Consistency award to the guys who trained hard but got nowhere. Seems to me you are IFBB Mr Consistency.

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #237 on: August 11, 2006, 09:14:42 AM »
Just an honest answer to your question...

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #238 on: August 11, 2006, 09:17:39 AM »
Well, Bob, as the athletes rep you are in a position to argue for drug free contests because that is in line with the spirit of bodybuilding and better for longevity and health. You are in a position to show some leadership. Contrary to what you said, sometimes one person can make a huge difference.

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #239 on: August 11, 2006, 09:20:34 AM »
Well, Bob, as the athletes rep you are in a position to argue for drug free contests because that is in line with the spirit of bodybuilding and better for longevity and health. You are in a position to show some leadership. Contrary to what you said, sometimes one person can make a huge difference.

You're right, Vince...

"HEY, ALL YOU GUYS TAKING DRUGS OUT THERE....STOP IT RIGHT NOW!! IF NOT FOR VINCE...DO IT FOR THE SPIRIT OF BODYBUILDING!!"

Happy to help...

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #240 on: August 11, 2006, 09:22:08 AM »
You're right, Vince...

"HEY, ALL YOU GUYS TAKING DRUGS OUT THERE....STOP IT RIGHT NOW!! IF NOT FOR VINCE...DO IT FOR THE SPIRIT OF BODYBUILDING!!"

Happy to help...

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #241 on: August 11, 2006, 09:24:15 AM »
You know, this sport is insane and just about everyone belongs in an asylum. Why would anyone argue that drugs are necessary because others are using them. Stuff the drugs. Get back to training and making gains from that alone. All the rest is just a sham.

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #242 on: August 11, 2006, 09:32:21 AM »
You know, this sport is insane and just about everyone belongs in an asylum. Why would anyone argue that drugs are necessary because others are using them. Stuff the drugs. Get back to training and making gains from that alone. All the rest is just a sham.

This is the new Olympic credo.  As well as Pro Baseball, Football, Cycling, Hockey, insert any sport here.

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #243 on: August 11, 2006, 09:42:11 AM »
I am a realist. It might be possible to win the Olympia drug free but highly unlikely. Since almost all current Olympia competitors have used drugs I guess we will never see this happen. I suppose every Mr Olympia used steroids. That is still not an argument that we all should use and endorse drugs.

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #244 on: August 11, 2006, 09:43:59 AM »
One thing's for sure.  the very lowly 1970 Mr Canada champ will probably outlive the entire current crop of top IFBB guys. 

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #245 on: August 11, 2006, 09:47:13 AM »
I am a realist. It might be possible to win the Olympia drug free but highly unlikely. Since almost all current Olympia competitors have used drugs I guess we will never see this happen. I suppose every Mr Olympia used steroids. That is still not an argument that we all should use and endorse drugs.

The reality is, as long as one dollar is on the line somebody will cheat to earn it.
Honour was banished from BB'ing a long time ago and I see nobody ressurecting it.
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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #246 on: August 11, 2006, 09:53:51 AM »
...as opposed to OTHER sports?

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #247 on: August 11, 2006, 09:58:28 AM »
...as opposed to OTHER sports?


tsk tsk...
I narrowed my point just to Bodybuilding because that was what Vince was focussing on.
The broad spectrum goes well beyond sports, how about the porn industry (for example) as well, some where you have to draw a line and make a point relevant to the topic. 
I am not running for office and don't need to be vague.
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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #248 on: August 11, 2006, 12:15:39 PM »
All the rules state that now...(may result in, may be subject to, etc...) I've been pointing that out since day 1...

The other thing Lee doesn't realize is that the "Code of conduct" rules he's so fond of reciting, are merely "guidelines"...basically they SUGGEST that they are followed and tell us that you may be subject to diciplinary action, blah, blah....But there is a clear difference between the RULE of competing in a non sanctioned show, and the GUIDELINES suggesting not engaging in nudity, porn,offensive language, etc.


So knowing this is how it was worded in their rulebook, the Weider's actually expected the Olympic committee to give them the time of day? Seems odd to me...

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Re: Move to get the IFBB rules followed!
« Reply #249 on: August 11, 2006, 03:47:53 PM »
The "code of conduct" rules have been changed and updated to reflect the times over the years...There have always been soem "guidelines" of what a federation expects from it's members...