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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #75 on: August 08, 2006, 08:33:04 AM »
No, they're not in the same category. You don't have a very good understanding of the law in this area. There is a difference between a controlled substance and a simple prescriftion drug (which one a drug is depends on it's "schedule" in the law).

Antibiotics and viagara are prescription drugs, but NOT controlled substances.

Steroids and painkillers are BOTH prescription drugs and controlled substances.

Heroin and marijuana are controlled substances but not prescription drugs.

Here's the difference: Controlled substances (whether they're prescription drugs or not) fall under the jurisdiction of the DEA, and are subject to serious scrutiny. The penalties for unauthorized use or distribution are severe, and police agencies have dedicated untis actively investigating abuse of these substances.

Simple prescription drugs that are not controlled substances fall under the jurisdiction of the FDA, not the DEA, and no law enforcement agency actively investigates or even gives two shits about them. While technically illegal to possess w/o a prescription, nobody really cares.

Prior to the Anabolic Steroids Control Act of 1992, steroids were prescription drugs, but not controlled substances. Since then, they are controlled substances like cocaine and heroin.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2006, 06:30:22 AM »
Steroids are dangerous if not used properly, so they are illegal to keep people who would abuse them, safe.

Plus being that most of them are injected with a syringe, infections are possible and can lead to amputations, again if misused.   

I don't know of anything that you inject with a syringe that is over the counter.

then why is alcohol and tobacco legal?  when was the last time you heard in the news someone was killed by a drunk steriod abuser? Isurance is sky high becasue people who have smoked for 40 years rack up huge medical bills becasue they now have cancer....

....they are both abused more than any drugs and they ARE drugs, it is that both industires got congress to make them "legal"

I think steriods should be legal and the government could tax them for extra revenue

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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2006, 06:32:04 AM »
# deaths directly caused by alcohol abuse -- millions
# deaths directly caused by tobacco use/abuse -- millions
# deaths directly caused by marjuana/hashish -- zero
# deaths directly caused by steroid use/abuse -- 0, zero, null

alcohol, tobacco -- legal
steroids, marjuana -- illegal

You guys can argue as much as you want. Nothing will change the reality that substances way more dangerous than steroids are legal in this country. Oh by the way pain killers and other drugs are only nominally illegal, it's very easy to get prescriptions for them.
Hyprocrisy at the nth power... 

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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2006, 07:41:27 AM »
# deaths directly caused by alcohol abuse -- millions
# deaths directly caused by tobacco use/abuse -- millions
# deaths directly caused by marjuana/hashish -- zero
# deaths directly caused by steroid use/abuse -- 0, zero, null

alcohol, tobacco -- legal
steroids, marjuana -- illegal

You guys can argue as much as you want. Nothing will change the reality that substances way more dangerous than steroids are legal in this country. Oh by the way pain killers and other drugs are only nominally illegal, it's very easy to get prescriptions for them.
Hyprocrisy at the nth power... 

Tigerman, being a physician, I concur that alcohol and tobacco are infinitely more dangerous.  However, it is false that steroids have not been associated with deaths.  For one, their effects are indirect, thus the true cause of death is cardiac arrest, liver failure, hepatitis, etc.  Thus, while you are true that not many death certificates are going to proclaim steroids the primary cause of death; they are definitely linked.  Look at it this way; bodybuilders oftentimes take steroids in quantities that far exceed prescription dosing.  They may even share needles with each other.  Thus, they are increased risk of things like heart disease and liver failure (read about steroids and those two side effects; they are undeniable).  Moreover, the dipshits who share needles (and you know they are out there) are increasing their risk of hepatitis B and C, both which can lead to liver failure, hepatomas and death.  Thus, although tobacco and alcohol are by far greater offenders; steroids (especially unmonitered steroid abuse) can be deadly.  Also, remember that a lot of bodybuilders who dabble in steroids heavily also use GH, insulin, NSAIDS, ephedra, cortisol blockers, etc.  It is a true appetite for disaster.  However, if they legalized steroids and they were prescribed as indicated, I feel the risk probably minimal.  Peace all.

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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #80 on: September 09, 2006, 11:24:07 AM »
Im kind of old but can somebody explain to me why a person that murders somebody can get off quicker than a drug dealer?
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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #81 on: September 09, 2006, 02:34:31 PM »
I dont see any point taking them;

You take them, you get huge/big, strong-

You go off them- You Shrink, get weak, get fuked up in the head, then have to go back on them..

Waste of money, waste of an individuals health, etc..

unless you can be a top pro bodybuilder...then maybe..otherwise, wake up fools...

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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #82 on: September 09, 2006, 11:12:05 PM »
While it's true Anabolic Steroids might be responsible for a few deaths from users who used excessive amounts. I would say that there have probably been more deaths from Asprin than from Anabolic Steroids.


Anabolic steroids(Like most drugs) are criminalized and demonized because of fear and ignorance.


That's it. Nothing more to say.


Why is Alcohol and Tobacco legal and Steroids and Marijuana not? Hypocrisy. Nothing more to say.


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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #83 on: September 09, 2006, 11:25:40 PM »
I dont see any point taking them;

You take them, you get huge/big, strong-

You go off them- You Shrink, get weak, get fuked up in the head, then have to go back on them..

Waste of money, waste of an individuals health, etc..

unless you can be a top pro bodybuilder...then maybe..otherwise, wake up fools...

   yep. Good Post.

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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #84 on: September 10, 2006, 12:51:16 AM »
I dont see any point taking them;

You take them, you get huge/big, strong-

You go off them- You Shrink, get weak, get fuked up in the head, then have to go back on them..

Waste of money, waste of an individuals health, etc..

unless you can be a top pro bodybuilder...then maybe..otherwise, wake up fools...


You need to study more about the Endocrine system becuase you don't know much.

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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #85 on: September 10, 2006, 01:23:52 AM »
The pharmaceudical companies would have made far more coin before they were banned - hell, some sold cases out the back door to local dealers (source: Anabolics 2006)

The FDA was against them being banned.

Romano did some very good articles about this subject a year or two ago.

It's all politics, pseudoscience, and fear mongering.

All it did was drive it underground, putting money in the hands of criminals and putting users at risk (violent dealers, counterfeits, etc . . .)

I read that the Russian mafia controlled the steroid market in New York - apparently they kept fakes off the streets
the good old russian mafia, where would we be without them
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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #86 on: September 10, 2006, 10:22:13 AM »
I agree, aspirin, although a life saving medication, has been associated with numerous deaths secondary to GI bleeds.  The question really should look at the number of users of steroids who medical side effects.  Many millions of people use aspirin everyday; of course there are going to be deaths.  However, the incidence is very low.  Of the number of steroid abusers (not casual 1 mg test a week users), what percentage have serious medical side effects.  I don't think we have a good answer, as most of them do not use under medical supervision.  Also, there have been no prospective, double-blind studies done to compare it to placebo.  All of the data is anecdotal.  Thus, those of you who deny the risk of steroids are basically uneducated fools who are sticking their heads in the sand.  If you want to play the game, at least be reasonably intelligent and get your chemistries checked.  Stupidity and ignorance are the reasons people have serious side effects.  My two cents.

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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #87 on: September 10, 2006, 11:24:58 AM »
Why it is ok that millions of children are put on mind altering drugs (ritalin) etc. simply because most of them are on a sugar high from eating pop tarts for breakfast every morning but taking steroids makes you the equal of a cocaine addict. It's ridiculous.

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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #88 on: September 10, 2006, 11:31:57 AM »
I dont see any point taking them;

You take them, you get huge/big, strong-

You go off them- You Shrink, get weak, get fuked up in the head, then have to go back on them..

Waste of money, waste of an individuals health, etc..

unless you can be a top pro bodybuilder...then maybe..otherwise, wake up fools...

THE SAME CAN BE SAID OF ALCOHOL:

you take some drinks, you feel good for a while.

you stop drinking, the buzz goes away and youre left with a headache. meanwhile, you pissed $$$ down the toilet, and caused some damage to internal organs to boot.

waste of money, waste of individuals health..yet as popular as anything in this world you can think of!

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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #89 on: September 10, 2006, 11:46:32 AM »
Here is one of the main reasons why steroids are illegal....law enforcement for years has had an abnormal fear that if people are "BIGGER STRONGER FASTER" they (COPS) will be at a disadvantage in capturing supposed criminals. You can hear the mindset of police when you either engage them face to face on the matter or if you ever watch some  of these shows on channels like Discovery, TLC etc that focus on prisons and prisoners. The one fear that is always expressed is the fact that the cops are afraid of the men especially one they have been working out for some time and have  become muscle bound. They fear the thought of having to engage them because of their size and strength....which steroids would amplify. Given the minimal societal risks of steroids...unlike alcohol and certain drugs, there should be no restrictions, but there must be warnings. If being concerned about ones health were the reasons for restrictions, then such things as cigarretts, alcohol, many prescription medications many over the counter medications, most household cleaning products, paints adn paint products, benzene, acetone, all petroleum derived products from gasoline to kerosine, etc etc etc WOULD HAVE RESTRICTIONS on them and would be classified as ILLEGAL... but I can buy/get any and all of them with no problem. All of these products not only have potentially detrimental effects on the user, they can cause the user to engage in criminal activity should they have the desire to do societal harm...TERRY MCNICHOLLS & TIMOTHY MCVEIGH are examples of using common products to commit a crime...yet no restrictions have been placed on the products they used to bomb a building and kill many people. Now argument scan go on forever in regards to the illegality of something...something is ilegal only if there is no one to grease the palm of an official to make that illegal thing commonplace. Believe me when I say the alcohol industry greases the palm of many representatives to make alciohol consumption "LEGAL"...pharmaceutical industry greases the palm of officials to make their DANGEROUS drugs "LEGAL" and let me not have to tell any of you about the TOBACCO industry which despite the deaths of hundreds of thousand s of people every year from their product...one can still purchase it at any store.

Someone needs to grease someones palm to make steroids...legal/commonplace.

Maybe we should let ADONIS do it.
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Re: Exactly why are steroids illegal?
« Reply #90 on: September 11, 2006, 12:25:56 AM »
I agree, aspirin, although a life saving medication, has been associated with numerous deaths secondary to GI bleeds.  The question really should look at the number of users of steroids who medical side effects.  Many millions of people use aspirin everyday; of course there are going to be deaths.  However, the incidence is very low.  Of the number of steroid abusers (not casual 1 mg test a week users), what percentage have serious medical side effects.  I don't think we have a good answer, as most of them do not use under medical supervision.  Also, there have been no prospective, double-blind studies done to compare it to placebo.  All of the data is anecdotal.  Thus, those of you who deny the risk of steroids are basically uneducated fools who are sticking their heads in the sand.  If you want to play the game, at least be reasonably intelligent and get your chemistries checked.  Stupidity and ignorance are the reasons people have serious side effects.  My two cents.


Are you kidding? No studies. There are numerous studies on the subject. All the studies done are studies of bodybuilders and the effects of AS compared to Placebo.I agree most "abusers" or users in general should seek medical supervision no question about that, but there are numerous studies on the issue.   I  hope that you don't consider a gram of test a week as being "low". A gram of test a weeks constitutes abuse on anylevel. Anything way over baseline that is not needed to return testosterone to normal levels constitutes abuse. And a gram is abuse. Steroids and their being in the same class as heroin is a joke, surely being a fellow physician you see that. It should not be a schedule 3, not even close.

 I wouldn't call almost 8000 deaths a year from NSAID's small. Compared to how many people use NSAIDS is a small percentage, but not a small number. The two are not the same. A million people use anabolic steroids in the US, most without supervison and the list of deaths are almost nonexistant. Now how many have heart attacks or Kidney failure is the question. Is it a direct cause of AS abuse, you bet it is. But the numbers are not near 8000, again not even close. A drug that is scheduled is a drug that has potential for abuse, which steroids do. But more importantly, have the ability to cause death directly. Not only indirectly. Steroids do not cause death directly. If you overdose on Heroin, CNS depression can occur, thus death ensues. Steroids do not share this ability with other narcotic anelgesics or simular scheduled medications. Now there are scheduled medications which this does not happen, and this does not apply or coarse. I think AS use in general by bodybuilders is not a smart decision, on any level period. Any self medicating and abuse of any medication is not smart and can prove fatal. If you do decide I agree and you should have a complete blood panel done on a monthly basis. Anabolics used efficiently and effectively under direct supervision of a health care professional that are not abused can be very safe. Anything that is abused can be harmful, AS is no exception.

 I have not also in all my years in practice have a wide spread problem with my patients sharing needles and having hepatic trouble,  that is a erban legend. Now it does happen, but very, very infrequently. You should know better.  :-[

The most dangerous effect of  anabolic steroids is on the cardiovascular system. No longitudinal studies have been conducted on the effect of anabolic steroids on cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. Most short term useage problems or "sudden" problems arise from the users already having a defect of the heart and rises in bloodpressure is the most likely culprit in problems associated with this condition. Anabolic steroid abuse is mostly cited as the the underlying culprit in most cases if not all cases. This is the most important reason in my opinion as if not under direct supervision how would you know if you have a defect that may be life threatening? Simply you don't. This is where the greatest problems arise from AS abuse. It takes much longer sometimes years of abuse otherwise for AS to have a damaging effect on abusers who do not have such  pre-existing conditions of the cardiovascular system, this has been proven in numerous studies. Kidney damage is another problem, again associated with the rise in blood pressure associated with AS abuse as the kidneys play a important role in the control of blood pressure. Again, a precondition(defect) usually is already present that is not easily indenified by a individual unless under the direct supervision of a health care professional, and sometimes still goes undetected regardless.

Most of the investigations have been focused on risk factors for cardiovascular diseases, and in particular the effect of anabolic steroids on blood pressure and on plasma lipoproteins. In most cross-sectional studies serum cholesterol and triglycerides between drug-free users and non-users is not different. However, during anabolic steroid use total cholesterol tends to increase, while HDL-cholesterol demonstrates a marked decline, well below the normal range. Serum LDL-cholesterol shows a variable response: a slight increase or no change. The response of total cholesterol seems to be influenced by the type of training that is done by the athlete. When a great deal of the exercise consists of aerobic exercise, the increasing effect of AS is counterbalanced by an exercise-induced increasing effect, which may result in a net decline in total cholesterol. Aerobic training does not seem to be able to offset the steroid-induced decline in HDL-cholesterol and its subfractions HDL-2, and HDL-3.

The precise effect of anabolic steroids on LDL-cholesterol is unknown yet. It appears that anabolic steroids influence hepatic triglyceride lipase (HTL) and lipoprotein lipase (LPL). Males usually have higher levels of HTL, while females have higher LPL activity. HTL is primarily responsible for the clearance of HDL-cholesterol, while LPL takes care of cellular uptake of free fatty acids and glycerol. Androgens and anabolic steroids stimulate HTL, presumably resulting in decreased serum levels of HDL-cholesterol.

The effect of anabolic steroids on triglycerides is not well known. It is suggested that relatively low doses do not affect the serum triglyceride levels, while it cannot be excluded that higher doses elicit an increase.

There is evidence that the use of anabolic steroids does elicit structural changes in the heart and that the ischemic tolerance is decreased after steroid use. Echocardiographic studies in bodybuilders, using anabolic steroids, reported a mild hypertrophy of the left ventricle, with a decreased diastolic relaxation, resulting in a decreased diastolic filling. Some investigators have associated cardiomyopathy, myocardial infarction, and cerebro-vascular accidents with abuse of anabolic steroids. However, a possible causal relationship could not been proved, because longitudinal studies that are necessary to prove such a relationship, have not been conducted yet. There is convincing evidence that oral administration of anabolic steroids has stronger adverse effects on the mentioned variables than parenteral administration.

Although the effects of anabolic steroids have an unfavorable influence on the risk factors for cardiovascular disease, no data are available about the long term effects. Most of the mentioned effects appear to reverse within 6-8 weeks after abstention. It is unknown, however, whether the structural changes as reported in the heart, are reversible as well.

No unanimity exists about the influence of anabolic steroids on arterial blood pressure. The response is most probably dose dependent. There is some data suggesting that high doses increase diastolic blood pressure, whereas low doses fail to have a significant effect on diastolic blood pressure. Increases in diastolic blood pressure normalize within 6-8 weeks after abstinence from anabolic steroids. It appears that repeated intermittent use of anabolic steroids does not affect diastolic blood pressure during drug free periods. Not only do anabolic steroids play a role indirectly on the effects of erythropoeisis, but most importantly directly, but that is another topic for another time. Besides I am being paged, back to work.  :'(