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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #75 on: August 11, 2006, 04:28:42 PM »
You mean the fines and suspentions imposed by wayne?



No, the ones Ben Signed. I live in Montreal, i know Ben is in that office almost 24/7, so anyone who says he has or HAD nothing to do with it is BS. the guy is up to date with everything, and wouldn't be surprised if he's got a hit out on me now for sayin this! lol
Wayne is a head judge, and although I don't work with the IFBB, I wouldnt be so sure that a head judge runs 100% of the organization. There are people higher up. Much higher, and Wayne is just the middleman. Not saying he was a saint thoough! :P

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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #76 on: August 11, 2006, 04:29:01 PM »
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 think he will choose to do whatever it takes to see the PDI gain some ground...regardless of a few seminars and a DVD shoot etc...he's said in the past that he doesn't compete for the money, but for the love of the game...and i could see why he WOULD do all this for the PDI...the IFBB has never seen eye to eye with Lee, so i can see why he told them to "shove it" by not doing the O. I think if Lee hadn't had such a sour taste in his mouth from all the suspensions, fines...etc...he might have swallowed his pride and done the extra stuff from the contract...but the fact that he was the "black sheep" and sort of outcast from the IFBB, he had every right to say NO. Lee doesn't owe them nothing!
I think DeMillia (who has been known to be an ass) has set out to make sure his athletes are happy at all times, and i don't think we will see anyone unhappy in the PDI, as Lee was in the IFBB....a little respect (for the athletes) goes a long way IMO.                                                                    


Nicely put !!


Lee pulled out of the Olympia contract for the exact reasons he has stated many times before !!
Lee has never tried to pull the wool over any ones eyes , he says it how it is , thats why you love him or hate him , the kicker though was when they got his sponsors involved and made allocations to them re his purposed plans at the show , that was when lee said OK thats it I'm definitely out !!
prior to that he only had made it known and quite clear he didint like the structure and the restrictions of the contracts earning potential for the Athletes , plus the demands it had on competting athletes days before the biggest show in their lives .
There is no hidden agenda here guys ,never has been ,doesn't need to be !!

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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #77 on: August 11, 2006, 04:50:13 PM »
hahahahahahahah hahahahaha


wait...





hahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha



ahem...



Chick, you are obsessed with the boards, man.
You are obsessed with the PDI, and you say you don't care.

Coming from 240, a board-obsession charge means something.

Get help, brother.





Oh yeah...







ahahahah hahahahahaha

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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #78 on: August 11, 2006, 05:46:56 PM »
hahahahahahahah hahahahaha


wait...





hahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha



ahem...



Chick, you are obsessed with the boards, man.
You are obsessed with the PDI, and you say you don't care.

Coming from 240, a board-obsession charge means something.

Get help, brother.





Oh yeah...







ahahahah hahahahahaha

Yeah...that means a lot coming from someone with over 11,000 posts in 6 months.

Way to not answer the question, once again...

You're are transparent as it gets, fool.

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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #79 on: August 11, 2006, 05:57:14 PM »
This was one of the very things Lee didn't like..."all the things he HAD to do" on Olympia day. I'd like to know if these guys are geting compensated for this seminar, or if they are going to get a piece of the pie on any DVD sales, etc.

do IFBB athletes get compensated when they do this type of thing?  The PDI is a new brand and I'm sure alot of these guys would do this for awhile for free just to get the ball rolling whereas teh IFBB has been established for years and could very well compensate it's guys for this kind of thing.  Chick, I've got nothing againts you but playing the devils advocate here is making you look like the IFBB's lapdog.  You're not the PDI athletes rep so it's none of your business if they get paid or not, you made your decision and they made thiers, now they have to live with it and the endless shots that flex will be taking at them for the next 10 years...god, how many years was flex still referring to the WBF as "we bore fans".
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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #80 on: August 11, 2006, 06:03:57 PM »
do IFBB athletes get compensated when they do this type of thing?  The PDI is a new brand and I'm sure alot of these guys would do this for awhile for free just to get the ball rolling whereas teh IFBB has been established for years and could very well compensate it's guys for this kind of thing.  Chick, I've got nothing againts you but playing the devils advocate here is making you look like the IFBB's lapdog.  You're not the PDI athletes rep so it's none of your business if they get paid or not, you made your decision and they made thiers, now they have to live with it and the endless shots that flex will be taking at them for the next 10 years...god, how many years was flex still referring to the WBF as "we bore fans".

Lee is a IFBB athlete, and has said that the very reason for his actions were a DIRECT result from lack of compensation. If he's getting none now with the same circumstances, then he looks like a hypocrite.

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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #81 on: August 11, 2006, 06:07:23 PM »
Lee is a IFBB athlete, and has said that the very reason for his actions were a DIRECT result from lack of compensation. If he's getting none now with the same circumstances, then he looks like a hypocrite.

no, he was getting no compensation from a well established company that has been screwing it's athletes around for years.  Now he's getting no compensation from a new company that has never screwed him and said company may have every intention of compensating him when they are established.  There is a difference there.  You make some sacrifices to help a new business get off the ground, sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't but what's life without risk?
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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #82 on: August 11, 2006, 06:08:30 PM »
you're joking, right?

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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #83 on: August 11, 2006, 06:10:50 PM »
you're joking, right?

why do you ask?  Do you know if Lee has a contract with Wayne that says if he does this for free he'll recieve compensation in the future?  Is this totally unheard of?  Or do you mean that the IFbb has been jerking it's guys around for years?  I'm not a pro but it ain't hard to see that that's been happening, otherwise you wouldn't need your job as athletes rep now would you?
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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #84 on: August 11, 2006, 06:35:44 PM »
It's of no great concern...just curious if Lee will stand for "what's right", according to what he has stated in the past... It would make no sense whatsoever, if he were supporting a contract or federation that is the SAME as the one he chose to bail out on.

Bump for Lee to respond...

I would still like to hear Lee's reasoning not some speculation from some well meaning people.

So bump again for Lee to answer

maybe we need to let the thread reach the bottom of the page so Lee doesn't have to stand on something to see it.  :D
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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #85 on: August 11, 2006, 07:55:31 PM »
Man I can see the IFBB Ball-huggers foaming at the mouth now.  Went from no NOC to a maybe but thats the only show to now a British and more to come.  God does Wayne really have this much money or are their others behind it that are willing to invest to get the PDI going in the right direction. Things that make you go ummmmmmmmmmm.

And I was wondering  Other than Chic and Sean and to a lesser amount because they don't mean anything and are just hanger-oners Kevin and Issac, why doesn't the IFBB have many supporters on here.  Why doesn't some of the other competitors come on here and tell everyone how much they love the IFBB and how fair they are.  No one comes on here to support Ben.  No one comes on here and says the IFBB is by the far the best BB organization in the world and they do no wrong.  They care about there members and do everything they can to improve competition and the way BB is progressing.  How come no other pros do this.  And I mean openly,notbehind a fancy screenname.  All this bashing of the IFBB that happens on here yet no support.  All they few little supporters can do is redirect to the PDI.  Face it guys you are worried as is the IFBB brass-asses.  SPonsors will be coming in because the PDI will receive more mainstream publicity than the IFBB.  It already has happened with the ESPN magazine. The IFBB brass and the people involved are just tostupid to be able to do this.  It has been proven and is a fact. 50+ years and the IFBB sucks more and more each year.  Talked to a pro last night.  Moving the Olympia is a joke to every Olympia competitor.  They won't say it of course but it is how everyone of them feels.  The biggest (suppose to be) BB show in the world at a 2nd rate venue.  Sad Sad Sad.  

Why do you find it necessary t insult anyone who has a different opinion to yours and especially if they question the PDI?
Because some of us here are involved in the business directly you accuse us od being ball-huggers, So does that make you one because you are a sponsor of the PDI?
What would be better is id we just accepted that everyone deserves respect even though their opinions differ?
Questioning the PDI is not defending the IFBB, but everytime a question is asked you accuse the person of ball-hugging.

I'm more than happy to discuss everthing you hate about this business if you want but let's not highjack this thread. Start another one.

Back to this thread.


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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #86 on: August 11, 2006, 08:21:51 PM »
Why do you find it necessary t insult anyone who has a different opinion to yours and especially if they question the PDI?
Because some of us here are involved in the business directly you accuse us od being ball-huggers, So does that make you one because you are a sponsor of the PDI?
What would be better is id we just accepted that everyone deserves respect even though their opinions differ?
Questioning the PDI is not defending the IFBB, but everytime a question is asked you accuse the person of ball-hugging.

I'm more than happy to discuss everthing you hate about this business if you want but let's not highjack this thread. Start another one.

Back to this thread.



Jeez Kev, all you do is bad mouth Wayne and PDI.  As far as you're concern it is a loser out of the bloocks and yet theshow hasn't even happened yet.  If anyone highjacked this thread it is you and Issac and Chic.  This thread was annoucing the British NOC.  Another contest and another $30,000 in prize money.  And there are more contests coming.  WOuldn't it be great if you three just sat back and see what happens at the NOC.  INstead of just coming on here and saying anything bad just say hope it does good and it is good for the competitors.  Instead you three come on here and ask stupid questions that have no bearing and we don't have the answers.  DO you honoestly think all the question I ask Chic knows the answers too.  I don't think anyone believes he know all this stuff.  He would be the most knowledgable person on the IFBB in the world.  He calls Manion and whoever he can.  And I admit I do the same thing.  When Chic or anyone else on here says this and that was Waynes fault I laugh so hard.  How ignorant can someone get to think that.  What that shows and proves is that they are 100% illusioned by the IFBB.

For anyone to stay with anorganiztion with the rep the IFBB has and an owner who has proven for more than 50 years he has no intention of helping BB just himself is beyond me and many others.  The PDI is offering a way to compete away from the corrupt and mindless IFBB.  You guys bash the PDI yet they have not done anythng YET.  So i guess this is the best time to bash cause after the NOC and the PDI gains steam you are going to have a hard time defending the IFBB and bashing the PDI.  I bash the IFBB along with the majority of other posters here because they have earned the bashing.  They deserve everything bad that comes to them.  For manyyears they have fucked their members and only thought of themselves making money.  That is a fact and a sad one.  SO bashing them is easy.  They provide allot of ammo.

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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #87 on: August 11, 2006, 08:23:22 PM »
Pretty awesome that the IFBB sends men to trash the PDI lol...

they sound kinda skerred.

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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #88 on: August 11, 2006, 08:42:15 PM »
I am not an IFBB guy, nor a PDI stooge. I just want wants best for the sport of bodybuilding. Which is why i am more than perturbed at the way the PDI is taking shape. Shoddy venues, disingenuous information on the posters, scrimping money etc etc. Anyone would think its the IFBB :-\
Lee has always been incredibly vocal about the DVDs, seminars etc etc - yet exactly the same is happening with the PDI. Yet Lee is silent. WTF? Answer Lee. Or are you now dancing at the end of Demilias strings?

Nobody sent me, I just want to understand.  Okay I admit I don't have enough trust to go on blind faith and believe Wayne is a trust worthy person.

Yes I like the IFBB, because I like Body Building and Figure Comps and they are the best of the best.
I want to understand what the PDI is all about, and it just seems it is only about mud slinging right now.  There is no place to get answers, UK Gold hit the nail on the head.

What is the use throwing your support behind something or someone who is just going to betray you for their own benefit?
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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #89 on: August 11, 2006, 10:36:18 PM »
Jeez Kev, all you do is bad mouth Wayne and PDI.  As far as you're concern it is a loser out of the bloocks and yet theshow hasn't even happened yet.  If anyone highjacked this thread it is you and Issac and Chic.  This thread was annoucing the British NOC.  Another contest and another $30,000 in prize money.  And there are more contests coming.  WOuldn't it be great if you three just sat back and see what happens at the NOC.  INstead of just coming on here and saying anything bad just say hope it does good and it is good for the competitors.  Instead you three come on here and ask stupid questions that have no bearing and we don't have the answers.  DO you honoestly think all the question I ask Chic knows the answers too.  I don't think anyone believes he know all this stuff.  He would be the most knowledgable person on the IFBB in the world.  He calls Manion and whoever he can.  And I admit I do the same thing.  When Chic or anyone else on here says this and that was Waynes fault I laugh so hard.  How ignorant can someone get to think that.  What that shows and proves is that they are 100% illusioned by the IFBB.

For anyone to stay with anorganiztion with the rep the IFBB has and an owner who has proven for more than 50 years he has no intention of helping BB just himself is beyond me and many others.  The PDI is offering a way to compete away from the corrupt and mindless IFBB.  You guys bash the PDI yet they have not done anythng YET.  So i guess this is the best time to bash cause after the NOC and the PDI gains steam you are going to have a hard time defending the IFBB and bashing the PDI.  I bash the IFBB along with the majority of other posters here because they have earned the bashing.  They deserve everything bad that comes to them.  For manyyears they have fucked their members and only thought of themselves making money.  That is a fact and a sad one.  SO bashing them is easy.  They provide allot of ammo.

Keith,
Why did you feel it necessary to attack Shawn when he was promoting his show? Why didn't you take you won advice, sit back and see what happened? You couldn't even admit you were wrong after the show and continued to attack Shawn.
If the NOC and the British are a success then I'll be more than happy to admit I was wring, but until then I will continue to ask questions.
What is so stupid about asking if all of the competitors featured on the poster are going to be at the show. I don't recall you calling 240 stupid for asking a similar question about Shawns show?
There is a lot of false information provided by yourself and 240 about the PDI and when it's questioned you both resort to insults and deflect from answering.
You said the NOC was a sell out, but it's not.
You called me a liar when I said that the PDI had failed in 2004. But it did.
240 said all the competitors had signed contracts allowing their image to be used in advertising. VinnyG stated this was false, does 240 admit he was wrong? No, he throws insults.
If the IFBB announced tomoorrow that they had arranged for yearly medical check-ups and it turned out to be a lie, would you stay quiet?  Of course not, you would't miss a cahnace to kick the IFBB and throw a knee into the groin of Jim Manion, but because you're a sponsor of the PDI, you don't say a bloody word.
If the IFBB sanctioned a promoter who had a history of not paying the athletes, would you not post a question about it in your usual polite style?
The Toronto show was cancelled, you could hardly contain yourself with using it to attack the IFBB, yet not a whisper from you when the PDI did it.
You haven't stopped going on about the Olympia being moved but despite people on here saying what a shit hole the British has moved to, there's not a single critical word from you. I'm the only one being positive about the place!






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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #90 on: August 11, 2006, 10:40:58 PM »
Pretty awesome that the IFBB sends men to trash the PDI lol...

they sound kinda skerred.

Just as awesome as the PDI sending you to post lies to support it and trash anyone who points out lies.

On a more positive note, any news on the PDI Radio fiasco you caused?

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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #91 on: August 11, 2006, 11:24:28 PM »
You having fun yet Kev?
as always, enjoy your debates.
keep up the good work mate, and next time you're in Oz we'll have a beer (or two) ;)
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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #92 on: August 11, 2006, 11:25:00 PM »
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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #93 on: August 11, 2006, 11:27:20 PM »
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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #94 on: August 11, 2006, 11:30:58 PM »
Keith,
Why did you feel it necessary to attack Shawn when he was promoting his show? Why didn't you take you won advice, sit back and see what happened? You couldn't even admit you were wrong after the show and continued to attack Shawn.
If the NOC and the British are a success then I'll be more than happy to admit I was wring, but until then I will continue to ask questions.
What is so stupid about asking if all of the competitors featured on the poster are going to be at the show. I don't recall you calling 240 stupid for asking a similar question about Shawns show?
There is a lot of false information provided by yourself and 240 about the PDI and when it's questioned you both resort to insults and deflect from answering.
You said the NOC was a sell out, but it's not.
You called me a liar when I said that the PDI had failed in 2004. But it did.
240 said all the competitors had signed contracts allowing their image to be used in advertising. VinnyG stated this was false, does 240 admit he was wrong? No, he throws insults.
If the IFBB announced tomoorrow that they had arranged for yearly medical check-ups and it turned out to be a lie, would you stay quiet?  Of course not, you would't miss a cahnace to kick the IFBB and throw a knee into the groin of Jim Manion, but because you're a sponsor of the PDI, you don't say a bloody word.
If the IFBB sanctioned a promoter who had a history of not paying the athletes, would you not post a question about it in your usual polite style?
The Toronto show was cancelled, you could hardly contain yourself with using it to attack the IFBB, yet not a whisper from you when the PDI did it.
You haven't stopped going on about the Olympia being moved but despite people on here saying what a shit hole the British has moved to, there's not a single critical word from you. I'm the only one being positive about the place!







So many questions.  Kevin from what I understand, you know Wayne.  Why don't you call or email Wayne and ask him everything you ask me.  He has every answer, I don't.  SO that bit advice should satisfy every question you ever want to ask me about the PDI or any question for future reference.  Simply call him. Very simple.

And the only reason I bashed as you call it Sean and the Colorado show because after the show was done and gone 9 people came forward to tell everyone their checks bounced.  I was happy to just let it go, but when someone like you and Issac come on here and say things and expect everyone to just accept what you say is fact when it isn't then I guess I have to bring light to it.  And the excuse you all gave was horseshit.  No proof was ever given that the bank made a mistake. ANyway,that is a done deal.

And I do understand why you ask about the poster.  I understand it cause one of the shows you supported more than anything gave out bogus poster information and used people's images when they weren't competing.  I understand why you would think this. You are used to this happening I am sure.  I have no idea about the poster, but I am pretty sure that everyone on there originally signed on to do the show in Europe.  Whether they do it or not who knows.

The Toronto Pro show was cancelled.  EVeryone knew it.  But you guys, talk like the IFBB does no wrong and is the perfect place.  After 50 years you would think they would have their shit together and it's not like they sanctioned allot of shows.  Less than 40 a year.  

And EVERYONE including the competitors talk about the moving of the Olympia.  If you think the moving of the Olympia is better for it then you need to find another job.  First off they didn't move the Olympia cause they wanted too. They moved the Olympia cause they had too.  That is a fact.  They tried to get the Mandalay Bay to give them ridiculous things and in Vegas and especially there you don't have much (if any) room to play with.

And I have no idea about where the British show is. But have you seen where some of the NPC shows are done.  And the the IFBB moved the Bulgarian Pro to Romania and it is in the worst part of the world.  DO you know how far it is from the airport to the venue.  And it will be hot and if I remember right COleman is suppose to guest pose.  If I have the right show in mind.  He will not have a good time.  No research was done on that show.  

I have (as does everyone else) the right tobash the IFBB.  They are horrible to their members and they do nothing to improve BB.  Yet they have been around for 50 years.  You would think they would get something right.  The PDI is not born yet.

And lastly do you also believe Wayne made all these decisions without Ben telling him to do it or at least approve of everything Wayne did.  Or do you believe like Chic does, that every decision Wayne made Ben knew nothing of it.  Please answer this.


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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #95 on: August 11, 2006, 11:35:11 PM »
I am working too hard on sites tonight to post a lot... but...

The IFBB reps who have contiually trashed the PDI have really given it a sense of legitimacy.  yall notice that?

Suppose I had stated, "joce pelletier will win the O this year!"  Do you think these fellas would have spent the spring/summer bashing Jocelyn?  No.  Because they knew it was false and he didn't have a chance.

But the fact they've been bashing the PDi since Feb 1st... really makes you think they're legitimately concerned.  PDI is real, and it has a chance, or they wouldn't devote their time, mental energies, and reputations to trashing it.

I'm feeling the PDI has a pretty good chance.

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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #96 on: August 12, 2006, 12:34:13 AM »
I am working too hard on sites tonight to post a lot... but...

The IFBB reps who have contiually trashed the PDI have really given it a sense of legitimacy.  yall notice that?

Suppose I had stated, "joce pelletier will win the O this year!"  Do you think these fellas would have spent the spring/summer bashing Jocelyn?  No.  Because they knew it was false and he didn't have a chance.

But the fact they've been bashing the PDi since Feb 1st... really makes you think they're legitimately concerned.  PDI is real, and it has a chance, or they wouldn't devote their time, mental energies, and reputations to trashing it.

I'm feeling the PDI has a pretty good chance.

If our questions have given it legitimacy then by your reasoning your attacks on everyone esle in this industry must have increased theirs.

If you really thought the PDI was legitimate you wouldn't have to iie on their behalf.





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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #97 on: August 12, 2006, 12:44:22 AM »
You having fun yet Kev?
as always, enjoy your debates.
keep up the good work mate, and next time you're in Oz we'll have a beer (or two) ;)
 that goes for you too 240. :)

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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #98 on: August 12, 2006, 12:58:24 AM »
Not that I want to trash the PDI or anything cause I like it, but do you guys really believe that PDI will stay uncorrupted if it grows to be as big as IFBB? And what have the IFBB really done, I hope its not just the thing that you cant compete in two different federations? That shit goes on in other sports as well, soccer/football for an example. You cant have competitions that are not approved by FIFA, thatīs what all this G-14 stuff is about, you will get banned to hell for stealing FIFAīs money. So my question is, do you think that in the long run the PDI would act differently to what IFBB has done?

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Re: PDI British NOC
« Reply #99 on: August 12, 2006, 01:03:13 AM »

Two Pints! You must be joking, we'll empty the bloody bar!


Well Gazza is already here, if you bring Chris L, then i'm sure i can get Tony D along, and yeah, we'll have a great chance of drinking any bar dry!!
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