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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2006, 05:44:44 PM »
I just listened to the delayed broadcast and Lee's comments and concerns were pretty air tight from my persepective.
He is right on regarding enforcing rules but not enforcing other rules i.e taking drugs will be fined etc.

I would like to congratulate you Lee, i like how your taking a morale stance and sticking to it, even though you may have to face consequences. Your the man Lee, just thought i'd give you some props and encourage you to keep going strong.
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Re: LEE PRIEST OWNS
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2006, 05:46:18 PM »
*ALL* the things, Lee?

You mean like selling YOUR merchandise at the "meet the Olympians", and participating at the press conference? What else is there?

Press conference is ok.never had a problem with that.Now doing 3 dvds and it says in the contract if you do not do the dvds you can not compete in the Olympia,Them owning your image and using it for what ever they like.If it's used just for the O ok but it dosent say that.Meet the Olympians is ok cause i like meeting the fans.But then you read how so and so wasn't freindly ...that's because he is tired or low on carbs etc.Sometimes the fans don't understand what it takes to get ready for a show like that and doing all these things before just wears down on you.Why not meet the Olympians after pre judging .Why have cocktail party before on friday night yeah that was always fun.But now we have pre judging fri night and finals Sat didnt they learn that didnt work back in 97.

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Re: LEE PRIEST OWNS
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2006, 05:47:25 PM »
Lee, which pros have fucked some of the female judges?  Were they hot?  Which pro has fucked the most fitness models (other than you obviously.  ;D)

Not going to name names(Yet) :) but they know who they are.and so do we.But to each thier own i guess lets just throw away the rule book.

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Re: LEE PRIEST OWNS
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2006, 05:56:24 PM »
Press conference is ok.never had a problem with that.Now doing 3 dvds and it says in the contract if you do not do the dvds you can not compete in the Olympia,Them owning your image and using it for what ever they like.If it's used just for the O ok but it dosent say that.Meet the Olympians is ok cause i like meeting the fans.But then you read how so and so wasn't freindly ...that's because he is tired or low on carbs etc.Sometimes the fans don't understand what it takes to get ready for a show like that and doing all these things before just wears down on you.Why not meet the Olympians after pre judging .Why have cocktail party before on friday night yeah that was always fun.But now we have pre judging fri night and finals Sat didnt they learn that didnt work back in 97.
It never made sense to me that the pros have to be at a big "meet the olympians" thing before the prejuding and the show and everything else. I'd rather meet my fav pros and see a real smile rather than a fake one. im not a pro but i do take my bodybuilding seriously, and if someone is in my way or stoping me from getting my meal or training or just lying down cuz training wore me out its very hard to be the happy person that i usually am.
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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2006, 06:00:35 PM »
Watching Chic attempt damage control after an owning, be on the internet or radio, is like watching an animal chew it's leg off to escape a trap.

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2006, 06:07:25 PM »
It's more difficult thaatn you guys think, when trying to schedule these events.

Having one foot on the other side of things, I've gaained a lot of knowledge and perspective on how and why things work the way they do.

The "meet the Olympians" is on Thursday night...It is set up so that the Olympians have a place to sell their merchandise to the VIP ticket purchasers (also sweetens the pot for the VIP's).

There is no other good time to hold it, as Fri and Sat are tough...you ahve the shows themselves, and you also have the majority of athletes thatare under contract with supplement companies...that want THEIR athletes at THEIR booths for some time....

I don't particulary care for the Fri nite Prejudging as it makes the guys have to hold conditioning for a full 24 hours...and I voiced that concern to the promoter...unfortunately, the Fri nite show LOSES money with just the women on the card...SOOOO, thats why the PJ was switched.

As for the Rules that "had to be followed" as per the Olympia contract...that was all set up by the promoter of the Olympia at the time...you guessed it....Wayne DeMilia.

Those contractual obligations are being contested by yours truly...and will be presented at the Board of Gov. meeting on the Olympia weekend.

Funny thing is lee...the very rules your complaining about, were put into place by the same guy you're looking to compete for again....

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2006, 06:09:24 PM »
Watching Chic attempt damage control after an owning, be on the internet or radio, is like watching an animal chew it's leg off to escape a trap.

I don't have to attempt "damage control"...it's called "understanding the rules". They are what they are...I didn't write them, I don't enforce them.

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Re: LEE PRIEST OWNS
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2006, 06:38:13 PM »
...and where have I changed my views?

Lee owned nothing...except a lack of knowledge of what the rules are. He keeps pointing out that there are rules that are broken all the time, and nothing is done...yet, he isn't smart enough to realize that the code of conduct are NOT the rules, but guidelines that are set up and requested to be followed.

Lee has been given the same disciplinary action for breaking the C.O.C. rules as everyone else that has...nothing.

Anyone who has ever gone and competed in a rival federation, HAS been suspended immediately, without question, and without exception...Lee wanted fair treatment for breaking the rules, he'll get it.

As for "sticking to his guns"...I guess we'll see if that holds true, if and when he ever decides to answer the question that was asked regarding pulling out of the PDI shows based on the same contractual obligations he pulled out of the Olympia.


So Bob are you saying that the IFBB, by not following their own "guidlines" are misguided? Also, the IFBB should be very careful regarding suspending Lee. Most of the ones who were suspended came crawling back, hat in hand, and tail between their legs. The IFBB should know Lee well enough by now and that is NOT Lee. Lee will be the one to challenge them in court and he will win. If you think he "owned" anyone in this forum, wait until the IFBB suspends him. Then I believe you'll see some real "owning" and the IFBB won't be doing the "owning"

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Re: LEE PRIEST OWNS
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2006, 06:41:16 PM »
Perhaaps you didn't read what I wrote, marc...it would be impossible for him to win a debate when he doesn't even know what the difference between the rules and the C.O.C are....


The thing is, Lee won't have to debate a thing. That's what council is for.

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2006, 07:07:47 PM »
Thats great...all the power to lee.

I'm sure the IFBB's pockets are far deeper than lee's...

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2006, 07:31:17 PM »
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Thats because we have promoters that put on shows...unlike other "sports". It's up to the promoters whether or not to strictly enforce drug testing, as they have to pay for it...

I've said for years now...I'd like to see the IFBB put on their own shows just like the NFL puts on NFL games...MLB puts on MLB games, etc, etc....

Maybe then we would see more consistency.                                               


Chic this is what I would call passing the buck big time , blaming the promoters , the only reason the promoters don't test is because the IFBB does not enforce the rules PERIOD , A promoter affiliates themself to the IFBB via paying for the rights , thus they should have to abide by the rules and regulations that govern that federation , but because the IFBB turns a blind eye to their rules as they feel fit, drug testing is not conducted as in the case I previously outlined , this my friend is a grave indictment of the IFBB and its rules and constitution , NOT that of the promoters !!!
The IFBB should be strictly up holding their rules and constitution and not allowing these rules to suit some and not others as they see fit , A rule should apply to all , for if it does not why have the rule in the first place , plus rules should not be open to interpertation , they should be straight forward and plain in its objectives , by not upholding these rules that are documented for its members to up hold to the IFBB, is directly in breach of its own constitution , thus the whole thing stinks of hypocrisy , and hypocrisy is no way to run a World Wide Sporting Organisation , ever wonder why bodybuilding never made it to the Olympics , its because the Olympics saw right through the smoke screen that Ben tried so hard to put up and saw the sport and all its hypocrisy for what it was realy worth!!, and this Chic you can not deny and if you do you are denying yourself the truth of the sport and the politics that are involved with it .

What pisses me off about the whole thing is the Hypocrisy of it all , you can have past athletes whom were and still are users of steroids and where actual known steroid sellers whom now hand down sanctions to athletes caught using steroids as Representatives of the IFBB organisation and on the other hand you can have whole nations whom don't even care about these rules ??, where is the respect in that , there is none , I can live with it , but it doesn't mean I like it , I personally have more dignity than that and would rather live by the truth , but it begs the question once again , why rules if they are not for all ??

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2006, 07:49:28 PM »
You're missing the point of the argument, marc...

The "rules" as you are addressing them, ARE being enforced...equally.

If there was drug testing for SOME athletes and not others...then you would have a valid argumant, thats clearly not the case.

The promoters aren't exactly breaking down the door demanding to drug test the athletes as it costs THEM money...the athletes arent demanding to be drug tested for obvious reasons...the fans could care less, and only want to see the best physiques on a given day...so who is this big fight for, exactly?

The rule IS straight forward, as straight forward and black and white as it gets...you as an IFBB pro are SUBJECT to being tested...that means they RESERVE THE RIGHT...they don't have to, they don't say you will be...they do say that IF you are tested, and IF you test positive, you MAY BE suspended and/ or fined. Not just Lee, not you and Lee....ANYONE.

Not sure what else you're unclear on...

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2006, 08:03:24 PM »
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  The rule IS straight forward, as straight forward and black and white as it gets...you as an IFBB pro are SUBJECT to being tested...that means they RESERVE THE RIGHT...they don't have to, they don't say you will be...they do say that IF you are tested, and IF you test positive, you MAY BE suspended and/ or fined. Not just Lee, not you and Lee....ANYONE                         

Then this can not be deemed as a rule , it has no viable ruling that could be up held , at best it could only be called a suggestion !!

What about the Amateur rules on drug testing they are all quite straight forward and since pros are derived from amateur competition would you not say that the lapse of the IFBB to up hold these rules at this level is in actual fact a breach of their own constitution , breaches which are totally transparent and all to see !!???

I personally am against drug testing at any level of our sport , I have to be as I have used drugs to aid my success in the sport , and for me to supprot such a ruling would make me a hypocrite , but if the rules are there should they be up held by all , yes of course they should , it is the only way to have rules !!

Chic no matter how you try to validate your stance on the matter , the truth remains , the IFBB do not uphold their rules and in doing so breach there own constitution , starting at the very base entry level of the sport !!! so by the time one reaches the top level of our sport how much respect do you think one would have for the rules and the running of the federation if all through out this journey constent lapses in the rules and the constitution are witnessed by a athlete !

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2006, 08:07:50 PM »
Lee cries about everything. I swear he must be on clomid everday all year.  ::)

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2006, 08:18:01 PM »
Then this can not be deemed as a rule , it has no viable ruling that could be up held , at best it could only be called a suggestion !!

What about the Amateur rules on drug testing they are all quite straight forward and since pros are derived from amateur competition would you not say that the lapse of the IFBB to up hold these rules at this level is in actual fact a breach of their own constitution , breaches which are totally transparent and all to see !!???

I personally am against drug testing at any level of our sport , I have to be as I have used drugs to aid my success in the sport , and for me to supprot such a ruling would make me a hypocrite , but if the rules are there should they be up held by all , yes of course they should , it is the only way to have rules !!

Chic no matter how you try to validate your stance on the matter , the truth remains , the IFBB do not uphold their rules and in doing so breach there own constitution , starting at the very base entry level of the sport !!! so by the time one reaches the top level of our sport how much respect do you think one would have for the rules and the running of the federation if all through out this journey constent lapses in the rules and the constitution are witnessed by a athlete !



MARC....bro...I'm at a loss here, to explain this any easier.

The rule is:

IF they decide to drug test you, and you fail...you will be subject to disciplinary action. PERIOD.

The rule is there for THEM to use at their discression...they RESERVE THE RIGHT.

There are hundreds of "rules" in life that are not enforced, but exist none the less....as I've used the example before..Jaywalking is against the law, and punishable by being fined...but they never ticket anyone for it...WHY HAVE IT THEN?

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2006, 08:22:16 PM »
Chic is this not a hypocrisy of the rules , In NZ at least the NZFBB use Pro Athletes to guest pose and effectively promote there shows to draw a crowd but at the same show/shows at least 4 athletes get busted for drug use and are sanctioned for doing so and at least one of those athletes have their right to apply for pro status taking away from them because of such hypocrisy ??

Is that not a injustice of the rules as they stand ?

I am in no way saying there is any fault on your part chic, that would be rediculious ,what I am trying to piont out is that lee has very valid pionts in his stance about the IFBB and how it upholds its rules , this is obvious and transparent at the very ground level of our sport and its governing body , wouldnt you say ??

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2006, 08:29:59 PM »
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  There are hundreds of "rules" in life that are not enforced, but exist none the less....as I've used the example before..Jaywalking is against the law, and punishable by being fined...but they never ticket anyone for it...WHY HAVE IT THEN                               

Ahhh I beg to differ, in LA I got busted for Jay walking (lee can ates to this) and i actually got a gun pulled on me by the officer because i was ignoring his requests to stop over the incident !!
the jay walking rule is obviously adhered to as they see fit , just like the IFBB adhere to there rules as they see fit, which is no way to govern rules obviously because this way just leaves people to break the rules at their discretion , just like i did !! thus making the rule worthless !!

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2006, 08:30:23 PM »
Lee has no valid point...he doesn't understand that there is a difference between the RULES and the CODE OF CONDUCT.

There is no hypocrisy to the example you made...guestposing and competing are two different things...as a competitor, you are bound to pass a test (NZ rules), as a guest poser, you're not.


BTW, your jaywalking story (while funny)...only enforces what I've been saying. The officer CHOSE to act on the law, even though it is rarely enforced...that was HIS DISCRETION. I'm sure a hundred other people did exactly as you did without a problem.

As I explained, they're not singling out 1 or 2 people to drug test...they're not drug testing anyone...so it's fair to all.

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2006, 08:38:58 PM »
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There is no hypocrisy to the example you made...guestposing and competing are two different things...as a competitor, you are bound to pass a test (NZ rules), as a guest poser, you're not.
                                       

Chic I am afraid if you can see no hypocrisy in my example then you are blinded by the people who govern your existence , shit even Ray Charles was not as blind , it reaps of hypocrisy !!!

What it says to the athletes and the public is "This is the cream , the pinnacle of our sport , the thing we all strive to succeed in achieving (pro level) but if you take drugs to achieve this level as the guest poser/ marketing tool we have used does we will then catch you and ban you and publicly ridicule you for doing so !! if that is not hypocrisy then please explain what it is as I can find no other word to describe it !!

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2006, 08:44:33 PM »
Chic I am afraid if you can see no hypocrisy in my example then you are blinded by the people who govern your existence , shit even Ray Charles was not as blind , it reaps of hypocrisy !!!

What it says to the athletes and the public is "This is the cream , the pinnacle of our sport , the thing we all strive to succeed in achieving (pro level) but if you take drugs to achieve this level as the guest poser/ marketing tool we have used does we will then catch you and ban you and publicly ridicule you for doing so !! if that is not hypocrisy then please explain what it is as I can find no other word to describe it !!

It's got nothing to do with Hypocrisy, marc...it's called covering their ass.

Hypocrisy would be them telling you to take drugs, and THEN drug testing you to make sure you are all natural athletes.


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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2006, 09:03:49 PM »
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Hypocrisy would be them telling you to take drugs, and THEN drug testing you to make sure you are all natural athletes.
                                     

This is exactly what they are doing by judging the way they judge and by "not drug testing the pinnacle of the sport" and then introducing drug testing at armature level , just look at the Womens delema , for years they judged the bigger , leaner girls as there preferred champions then all of a sudden after years of this drug enhanced look taking out the winnings, they change the judging criteria to try and discourage from such a look , of course they are telling you to take drugs , they judge exactly like that , then they test you and punish you for doing so !!hell half the judges on all these panels in all probability ( broad observation based on experiance ) have used drugs to enhance their own physiques, thats hypocrisy right there at amateur level!
       Like I said before I am against the hypocrisy thats all , I accept this and I am in complete control of my own choices and take full responsibility for them , but you still have not convinced me in any way shape or form that the IFBB is not riddled with hypocrisy and that there rules and regulations are not worth "jack" due to fact of this hypocrisy and the way the rules are over looked as they deem fit , and thats my point , and lee,s

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Re: LEE PRIEST OWNS
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2006, 11:19:24 PM »
C.O.C YEAH WHATEVER NONE ARE FOLLOWED LIKE I SAID WHERE WAS STEVE'S PUNISHMENT OR OTHER JUDGES WHO HAVE SLEPT WITH COMPETITIORS(THE WOMEN JUDGES) WE KNOW IT HAS HAPPENED CHIC.All in the sport know who they are :)

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« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2006, 05:40:54 AM »
Press conference is ok.never had a problem with that.Now doing 3 dvds and it says in the contract if you do not do the dvds you can not compete in the Olympia,Them owning your image and using it for what ever they like.If it's used just for the O ok but it dosent say that.Meet the Olympians is ok cause i like meeting the fans.But then you read how so and so wasn't freindly ...that's because he is tired or low on carbs etc.Sometimes the fans don't understand what it takes to get ready for a show like that and doing all these things before just wears down on you.Why not meet the Olympians after pre judging .Why have cocktail party before on friday night yeah that was always fun.But now we have pre judging fri night and finals Sat didnt they learn that didnt work back in 97.
What the fuck is that about? So in the end you cant compete if you don't do this and this this and this and this and ooohhh one more thing......*unzip pants*

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Re: Lee Priest owns on the radio show!
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2006, 06:07:56 AM »
Thats great...all the power to lee.

I'm sure the IFBB's pockets are far deeper than lee's...

There is an old saying that goes: "Don't step over a dollar to pick up a quarter"

Unless you're short a quarter for a phone call.

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« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2006, 06:16:40 AM »
It's more difficult thaatn you guys think, when trying to schedule these events.

Having one foot on the other side of things, I've gaained a lot of knowledge and perspective on how and why things work the way they do.

The "meet the Olympians" is on Thursday night...It is set up so that the Olympians have a place to sell their merchandise to the VIP ticket purchasers (also sweetens the pot for the VIP's).

There is no other good time to hold it, as Fri and Sat are tough...you ahve the shows themselves, and you also have the majority of athletes thatare under contract with supplement companies...that want THEIR athletes at THEIR booths for some time....

I don't particulary care for the Fri nite Prejudging as it makes the guys have to hold conditioning for a full 24 hours...and I voiced that concern to the promoter...unfortunately, the Fri nite show LOSES money with just the women on the card...SOOOO, thats why the PJ was switched.

As for the Rules that "had to be followed" as per the Olympia contract...that was all set up by the promoter of the Olympia at the time...you guessed it....Wayne DeMilia.

Those contractual obligations are being contested by yours truly...and will be presented at the Board of Gov. meeting on the Olympia weekend.

Funny thing is lee...the very rules your complaining about, were put into place by the same guy you're looking to compete for again....

I finally figured out why Chic mentions Wayne so much negatively everytime he mentions the IFBB's past.  He is pissed and holding a grudge cause he thinks it's Wayne's fault it took so long for him to turn Pro.  I fully understand now why it is that Chic blames Wayne for everything.  No way would he believe his current beloved boss's and slavemasters would do anything wrong.  Chic, my buddy, give it up already.  Most of the people know the Weiders pull the strings and make the decisions.  For some odd reason you fail to want to realize in most cases "the owner" makes the ultimate decision. You just don't seem to be able to grasp that fact.  You are definitley a loyal slave to your bosses, but deep down even you know they are scum and take advantage of EVERY member of the IFBB.