What kills you more - the diet or cardio?

[Bast000]

True Adonis, from your recent pics, I wouldnt be braging too much abotu your philososphy- you look good, but very flat muscles, i dunno man, your just over dieting imho so far..looking skinny actually.    But whatever works for you.

Well he is gonna be flat from having such low carbs.  That doesn't mean he's losing muscle.   My diet is similar to his.

[pobrecito]

post a picture to show how 'cut' you are.  Unless you are tall and have a lot of muscle that is high calories for dieting.

We all have different metabolisms. Mine just happens to be very fast, and through experimentation I've found that I need ~2500 calories per day to lose about a pound of fat per week. If I had my log with me I could post examples of my diet from day to day, but since I am in the lib, that will have to be held off

[The True Adonis]

True Adonis, from your recent pics, I wouldnt be braging too much abotu your philososphy- you look good, but very flat muscles, i dunno man, your just over dieting imho so far..looking SKINNY actually.    But whatever works for you.

Especially your front lat spread, i mean, your chest just looks flat, you look dry, skin is looking thin, but i wouldnt say your on point..you came down from some heafty weight, and you didnt keep much (lost alot of mass)...

No such thing as overdieting....Provide me proof of someone overdieting Please.

[pobrecito]

No such thing as overdieting....Provide me proof of someone overdieting Please.

You are natural correct?

How much healthy fats are you taking in too keep your testosterone levels up? Honestly, on only 1200cal/day I am surprised you don't burn up all your muscle.

[Bast000]

We all have different metabolisms. Mine just happens to be very fast, and through experimentation I've found that I need ~2500 calories per day to lose about a pound of fat per week. If I had my log with me I could post examples of my diet from day to day, but since I am in the lib, that will have to be held off

1lb a week is fine but if you're already pretty low body fat to begin with.

It would take 3 months to lose 12lbs at that rate, and some will be water.

[The True Adonis]

True Adonis, from your recent pics, I wouldnt be braging too much abotu your philososphy- you look good, but very flat muscles, i dunno man, your just over dieting imho so far..looking SKINNY actually.    But whatever works for you.

Especially your front lat spread, i mean, your chest just looks flat, you look dry, skin is looking thin, ..you came down from some heafty weight, and you didnt keep much (lost alot of mass)...

Now if you would of kept most of your mass, and lost BF, that would be ideal, but you kinda look like your starving yourself. And it doesnt help how lancky and long you are.

Your assessment is way off.  You have never seen my chest. I have not lost any mass whatsoever...I am bigger and leaner than last year at a higher bodyweight.

You have no clue what you are talking about.  I will be way leaner than you.  Believe that.

[The True Adonis]

You are natural correct?

How much healthy fats are you taking in too keep your testosterone levels up? Honestly, on only 1200cal/day I am surprised you don't burn up all your muscle.

That is a fallacy....In a defecit fat is used as fuel anyways.

[HERACLES]

No such thing as overdieting....Provide me proof of someone overdieting Please.

Well, I shouldnt be telling you this, I should just let you keep doing what your doing  

But, if I were you, I would try to get fuller. Your too flat. Thats all Im gonna say.

And there is such a thing as overdieting. Overdieting= sacrifice extra muscle...and its too obvious on your long frame.
Up the carbs, that will fill you in a little at least.

Yes you will be leaner than me. Not bc you know more, but bc of where I had to start from. Im 210 now.
This is more for fun for me and getting myself in Great offseason shape 

Just myopinion. Your ches tlooks flat in that front latspread/ relaxed pose.

[The True Adonis]

We all have different metabolisms. Mine just happens to be very fast, and through experimentation I've found that I need ~2500 calories per day to lose about a pound of fat per week. If I had my log with me I could post examples of my diet from day to day, but since I am in the lib, that will have to be held off

Just post a picture fat body.  You won`t because you know you are a joke.

[pobrecito]

That is a fallacy....In a defecit fat is used as fuel anyways.

What is a fallacy

Healthy fats are scientifically shown to keep testosterone levels up....you need them, and people almost always underestimate their necessity.

Secondly, you obviously know near nothing about human physiology. Carbohydrates are the #1 source of energy and protein will be used 2nd. Fat is the final source to be used.

[The True Adonis]

Well, I shouldnt be telling you this, I should just let you keep doing what your doing  

But, if I were you, I would try to get fuller. Your too flat. Thats all Im gonna say.

And there is such a thing as overdieting. Overdieting= sacrifice extra muscle...and its too obvious on your long frame.
Up the carbs, that will fill you in a little at least.

Again, provide me with proof of overdieting.  People OVEREAT when they diet.  Plus it works out the same.....You guys are burning 300-500 calories from cardio and taking in 2500.  So that makes you about 2000.....Some of you gaywods then do another session....You are now at 1500 calories.

What a waste of time and eating.

[~salmon~]

uh....for your heart?

That avatar is hilarious...LOL!

[airrick]

Wow, pick a poison "diet or cardio"? hahah

I hate doing both but since dieting is part of my favorite lifestyle since it deals with food, I have my favorite diet food and I enjoy em year-round... and besides, the heat here in So. Cali, hard intense training, raising my metabolism compensates for my cardio... BOO to CARDIO!

[pobrecito]

Again, provide me with proof of overdieting.  People OVEREAT when they diet.  Plus it works out the same.....You guys are burning 300-500 calories from cardio and taking in 2500.  So that makes you about 2000.....Some of you gaywods then do another session....You are now at 1500 calories.

What a waste of time and eating.

I don't do cardio

[HERACLES]

Again, provide me with proof of overdieting.  People OVEREAT when they diet.  Plus it works out the same.....You guys are burning 300-500 calories from cardio and taking in 2500.  So that makes you about 2000.....Some of you gaywods then do another session....You are now at 1500 calories.

What a waste of time and eating.

This is why you look skinny, and lancky.... its different. By doing cardio, and having the right portions of protein % Carbs% fats% you can make your body burn stored fat and the excess protein and carbs if eaten at the right times will sheild your muscle mass from loss, you on th eother hand, are starving yourself, and training hard, which is giving you a nice look, but I think your looking very skinny, and drawn in.

Look at basty, hes full..
Just a heads up man.. dont over diet and come in looking like you were starving.
Dude you look fine, im just blaabing here...i gues sits the look YOU prefer, do what works best for you.

LOL...for you to say we are all stupid for doing cardio, well, maybe your the only person in the planet that thinks that, as far as bodybuilding is concerned, and prepping for a show! 

[pobrecito]

Did Adonis even make it out of high school

This dummy thinks muscle is hard to lose in a caloric deficit

let me ask you "Adonis" have you ever heard of gluconeogenesis, and could you please list off all 11 conversion steps? ....becuase I can

[The True Adonis]

What is a fallacy

Healthy fats are scientifically shown to keep testosterone levels up....you need them, and people almost always underestimate their necessity.

Secondly, you obviously know near nothing about human physiology. Carbohydrates are the #1 source of energy and protein will be used 2nd. Fat is the final source to be used.

ROFLMAO!

Wrong. Fats fall second.  Protein is not metabolized into usuable energy that efficently ESPECIALLY when in a defecit.......200 grams of fat or over will barely do anything to Testosterone levels.  Anything lower really does nothing. When dieting you shouldn`t be eating that much fat anyways.

[The True Adonis]

This is why you look skinny, and lancky.... its different. By doing cardio, and having the right portions of protein % Carbs% fats% you can make your body burn stored fat and the excess protein and carbs if eaten at the right times will sheild your muscle mass from loss, you on th eother hand, are starving yourself, and training hard, which is giving you a nice look, but I think your looking very skinny, and drawn in.

Look at basty, hes full..
Just a heads up man.. dont over diet and come in looking like you were starving.

hahhah BAST eat LESS than I do at times.

[pobrecito]

ROFLMAO!

Wrong. Fats fall second.  Protein is not metabolized into usuable energy that efficently ESPECIALLY when in a defecit.......200 grams of fat or over will barely do anything to Testosterone levels.  Anything lower really does nothing. When dieting you shouldn`t be eating that much fat anyways.

I am about to own your f*cking ass when I find my new england journal of medicine sources here in a minute.

you have NO CLUE what the fuck you are talking about. Like I said son, gluconeogenesis, you have no clue what it is, but it's burning up your precious muscle mass.

[The True Adonis]

This is why you look skinny, and lancky.... its different. By doing cardio, and having the right portions of protein % Carbs% fats% you can make your body burn stored fat and the excess protein and carbs if eaten at the right times will sheild your muscle mass from loss, you on th eother hand, are starving yourself, and training hard, which is giving you a nice look, but I think your looking very skinny, and drawn in.

Look at basty, hes full..
Just a heads up man.. dont over diet and come in looking like you were starving.
Dude you look fine, im just blaabing here...i gues sits the look YOU prefer, do what works best for you.

LOL...for you to say we are all stupid for doing cardio, well, maybe your the only person in the planet that thinks that, as far as bodybuilding is concerned, and prepping for a show! 

I`ve done a traditonal bodybuilding diet of 300 grams protein 225 carb cycle to 100 grams of carbs and 50 grams fat. AND CARDIO!

Guess what happened?  I lost at the same rate as I did now. However, I was alot weaker and weighed EVEN LESS.

Go look at my past diet on Musclemayhem....You will see. I posted what I ate everyday.

[HERACLES]

I am about to own your f*cking ass when I find my new england journal of medicine sources here in a minute.

you have NO CLUE what the f**k you are talking about. Like I said son, gluconeogenesis, you have no clue what it is, but it's burning up your precious muscle mass.

STFU already and stop trying to make him change what hes doing!! 


Hey TA, seriously do what works for you, no need for us to butt heads about the topic..if it worked the same, then hey more power to you, you lucky bastad for not having to do cardio!!! 

[Bast000]

hahhah BAST eat LESS than I do at times.

Yup, my diet is very simliar.  Once a week or so I'll have high carbs and probably get 2500 calories.   

Otherwise I'm getting 1400-1800.

[Slick Vic]

and why in the hell would you do 2 sessions of cardio on a zero carb day with little water???   WTF?

a little challenging, my ass.  that's just plain fuggin' stupid.

That's what I was thinkin'.

[HERACLES]

Yup, my diet is very simliar.  Once a week or so I'll have high carbs and probably get 2500 calories.   

Otherwise I'm getting 1400-1800.

MIne are about that los, def under 2000, but im shedding lot of bad weight..so im surprised you two are doing the same. this is my diet, in the basic..

meal 1- Designer prtein (40g protein) and 1/2 cups oats

meal2- 6-8 oz chicken, or fish, sometimes lean chop meat and veggies

meal3- designer protein (40g protein) and 1/2 cups oats

Workout**

meal5- 6-8 oz chicken, or fish, sometimes lean chop meat and veggies AND 1/2 cup oats

Cardio session**

meal6-  designer protein (40g protein)

bedtime
 

Pretty low eh?
Been following this since April, started at 240 as of today im 210..

[Bast000]

In Arnold's book he writes that you should get at least 1g protein per pound, enough carbs to stay out of ketosis, and 20% should be fat.

So say you're 180lbs.

200g protein  (20 more than need to be safe)

75g carbs will keep you out of ketosis safely. 

30g fat.  (around 20% of total calories)

=1450 calories.