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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2006, 07:05:54 PM »

  He just sounds and looks like a pompous ass to me... with tiny forearms and he is always mashing his arms into his body for tricep shots. Loser.
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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2006, 07:07:55 PM »
where's the proof? there is no proof of this. why don't you get a buch of people together and do your own "clinical study"? that idea is really stupid. nutrients stay in your body for days. you think the protein you just drank 5 minutes ago is what goes into the muslce? your body is using nutrients that you put in there days ago. it's rubbish.
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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2006, 07:08:54 PM »
Do you think Steve Reeves worried about the correct Dextrose to protein ratio?

Do you think John Grimek Gave a f**k?

Do you think Arnold cared?

Did Frank Zane and Sergio Oliva go catabolic all of a sudden because they didn`t take the post workout shake?

Did Leroy Colbert shrink?


Get a clue people, its total bullshit unless you are running a marathon.  Certainly a bodybuilding workout isn`t taxing enough to require such a drink.
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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2006, 07:09:58 PM »
Frank Zane  Drank milk and ate fresh fruit, so did Steve Reeves, Franco Columbu and countless others.  You are a tool bag if you think you can`t eat and drink those things.

I will be 4 percent soon eating and drinking fruit and milk
you will never be 4% without drugs. 99% of the olympia competitors are not 4%.

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2006, 07:13:10 PM »
Ronnie Coleman doesn't use a post workout shake. He is the most muscular bodybuilder ever eating solid foods throughout the day except for morning where he use shakes. Coincidence?

Sergio Oliva some argue the best bodybuilder ever never drank shakes nor did Serge Nubret.
that is bullshit. he eats something after training. ronnie is no foo'.

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #55 on: August 25, 2006, 07:49:05 PM »
that is bullshit. he eats something after training. ronnie is no foo'.

Black eye peas restorant right after training.
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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2006, 06:30:16 AM »
"gibber knows nothing"  monster explanation and irrefutable proof.

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« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2006, 07:00:28 AM »
lol...its pretty damn funny how some guys are posting on a bodybuilding board and have no clue about basic nutrition.

well if u eat 5 or 6 times a day the nutrients will stay in your body so there is no reason for a post workout shake...lol.

leroy colbert and john grimick didnt care about post workout shakes.

lol...the shit is just so idiotic its comical.

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2006, 07:21:33 AM »
damn right!

How stupid is the idea that the food you eat RIGHT NOW is what's gonna build your muscle?

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2006, 08:19:56 AM »
for once gibber is right about something, some of these clowns are so paranoid about nutrition that it's sad.
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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #60 on: August 26, 2006, 09:07:47 AM »
for twice... the other thing i was right about is that you is a lying guy

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #61 on: August 26, 2006, 09:16:04 AM »
for twice... the other thing i was right about is that you is a lying Black
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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #62 on: August 26, 2006, 09:17:32 AM »
das rite!

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #63 on: August 26, 2006, 09:58:15 AM »
lol...keep on eating your baked chicken with veggies...or double cheesebuger with fries and a milkshake..whatever it is you do after training...good luck.



First, the research is very clear that if you wait to consume your post-workout nutrition, you lose . One study showed that if the post-workout beverage was consumed immediately after training, glycogen synthesis was three times higher than if the beverage was consumed just two hours later. So the sooner you drink the drink, the better the recovery rate.

Secondly, with respect to the types of carbohydrate and protein to consume, it's clear that immediately after training, liquid nutrition is best tolerated. Since liquid nutrition is more rapidly digested and absorbed, nutrients are more rapidly delivered to the muscle. In addition, according to the literature, the optimal carbohydrates to consume are glucose and glucose polymers, like maltodextrin

As far as the best protein to consume, you want to choose a protein that is absorbed as rapidly as the ingested carbs so that the synergistic insulin response can be maximized. Now that's hard to find. Most intact proteins (yes, even in powdered form) take several hours to be fully absorbed. We need protein that can get absorbed within minutes, just like the carbs do. Without this simultaneous absorption of both, the insulin response will be disappointing. So what to do? Well, since one of the most quickly digested proteins is whey hydrolysate, it's the protein of choice for our purposes here.


Stop Protein Breakdown Dead in its Tracks

The scientific literature is pretty clear in terms of how to prevent post-workout protein breakdown. And it can be summarized in one word? Insulin.

In previous years, scientists knew that the hormone insulin had a big impact on muscle-protein balance, but they just couldn't figure out if it impacted the synthesis or breakdown. Several studies within the last few years, however, have indicated that insulin is the main regulator of post-workout protein breakdown.

In one very detailed study published in May of 1999, it was clearly demonstrated that at rest, high blood levels of insulin increased protein synthesis by about 67% while not changing protein breakdown. However, during the post-workout period, insulin infusion decreased protein breakdown by about 30% without impacting protein synthesis.

The authors of this study concluded that at rest, insulin was anabolic, while after exercise insulin was anti-catabolic. These results have been validated by other studies showing that high blood levels of insulin considerably diminish post-workout protein breakdown without impacting protein synthesis during the post-workout period.

So the bottom line is that insulin is not anabolic after workouts, but it sure is anti-catabolic. And that's great because insulin is easily controlled. Also, since protein breakdown predominates during the post-workout period, getting the insulin up allows muscle breakdown to diminish so that synthesis can dominate and we can quickly get back to building muscle!

And don't forget that insulin causes vasodilation. This means the vessels "open up" and transport more blood (and nutrients) to the cells. Can you say "feed the muscle!"? And yes, that extra blood flow is full of the protein, amino acids, and carbs that you'll be ingesting immediately after the training session.

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #64 on: August 26, 2006, 12:59:46 PM »
lol...keep on eating your baked chicken with veggies...or double cheesebuger with fries and a milkshake..whatever it is you do after training...good luck.



First, the research is very clear that if you wait to consume your post-workout nutrition, you lose . One study showed that if the post-workout beverage was consumed immediately after training, glycogen synthesis was three times higher than if the beverage was consumed just two hours later. So the sooner you drink the drink, the better the recovery rate.

Secondly, with respect to the types of carbohydrate and protein to consume, it's clear that immediately after training, liquid nutrition is best tolerated. Since liquid nutrition is more rapidly digested and absorbed, nutrients are more rapidly delivered to the muscle. In addition, according to the literature, the optimal carbohydrates to consume are glucose and glucose polymers, like maltodextrin

As far as the best protein to consume, you want to choose a protein that is absorbed as rapidly as the ingested carbs so that the synergistic insulin response can be maximized. Now that's hard to find. Most intact proteins (yes, even in powdered form) take several hours to be fully absorbed. We need protein that can get absorbed within minutes, just like the carbs do. Without this simultaneous absorption of both, the insulin response will be disappointing. So what to do? Well, since one of the most quickly digested proteins is whey hydrolysate, it's the protein of choice for our purposes here.


Stop Protein Breakdown Dead in its Tracks

The scientific literature is pretty clear in terms of how to prevent post-workout protein breakdown. And it can be summarized in one word? Insulin.

In previous years, scientists knew that the hormone insulin had a big impact on muscle-protein balance, but they just couldn't figure out if it impacted the synthesis or breakdown. Several studies within the last few years, however, have indicated that insulin is the main regulator of post-workout protein breakdown.

In one very detailed study published in May of 1999, it was clearly demonstrated that at rest, high blood levels of insulin increased protein synthesis by about 67% while not changing protein breakdown. However, during the post-workout period, insulin infusion decreased protein breakdown by about 30% without impacting protein synthesis.

The authors of this study concluded that at rest, insulin was anabolic, while after exercise insulin was anti-catabolic. These results have been validated by other studies showing that high blood levels of insulin considerably diminish post-workout protein breakdown without impacting protein synthesis during the post-workout period.

So the bottom line is that insulin is not anabolic after workouts, but it sure is anti-catabolic. And that's great because insulin is easily controlled. Also, since protein breakdown predominates during the post-workout period, getting the insulin up allows muscle breakdown to diminish so that synthesis can dominate and we can quickly get back to building muscle!

And don't forget that insulin causes vasodilation. This means the vessels "open up" and transport more blood (and nutrients) to the cells. Can you say "feed the muscle!"? And yes, that extra blood flow is full of the protein, amino acids, and carbs that you'll be ingesting immediately after the training session.
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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2006, 11:51:06 AM »
lol...keep on eating your baked chicken with veggies...or double cheesebuger with fries and a milkshake..whatever it is you do after training...good luck.



First, the research is very clear that if you wait to consume your post-workout nutrition, you lose . One study showed that if the post-workout beverage was consumed immediately after training, glycogen synthesis was three times higher than if the beverage was consumed just two hours later. So the sooner you drink the drink, the better the recovery rate.

Secondly, with respect to the types of carbohydrate and protein to consume, it's clear that immediately after training, liquid nutrition is best tolerated. Since liquid nutrition is more rapidly digested and absorbed, nutrients are more rapidly delivered to the muscle. In addition, according to the literature, the optimal carbohydrates to consume are glucose and glucose polymers, like maltodextrin

As far as the best protein to consume, you want to choose a protein that is absorbed as rapidly as the ingested carbs so that the synergistic insulin response can be maximized. Now that's hard to find. Most intact proteins (yes, even in powdered form) take several hours to be fully absorbed. We need protein that can get absorbed within minutes, just like the carbs do. Without this simultaneous absorption of both, the insulin response will be disappointing. So what to do? Well, since one of the most quickly digested proteins is whey hydrolysate, it's the protein of choice for our purposes here.


Stop Protein Breakdown Dead in its Tracks

The scientific literature is pretty clear in terms of how to prevent post-workout protein breakdown. And it can be summarized in one word? Insulin.

In previous years, scientists knew that the hormone insulin had a big impact on muscle-protein balance, but they just couldn't figure out if it impacted the synthesis or breakdown. Several studies within the last few years, however, have indicated that insulin is the main regulator of post-workout protein breakdown.

In one very detailed study published in May of 1999, it was clearly demonstrated that at rest, high blood levels of insulin increased protein synthesis by about 67% while not changing protein breakdown. However, during the post-workout period, insulin infusion decreased protein breakdown by about 30% without impacting protein synthesis.

The authors of this study concluded that at rest, insulin was anabolic, while after exercise insulin was anti-catabolic. These results have been validated by other studies showing that high blood levels of insulin considerably diminish post-workout protein breakdown without impacting protein synthesis during the post-workout period.

So the bottom line is that insulin is not anabolic after workouts, but it sure is anti-catabolic. And that's great because insulin is easily controlled. Also, since protein breakdown predominates during the post-workout period, getting the insulin up allows muscle breakdown to diminish so that synthesis can dominate and we can quickly get back to building muscle!

And don't forget that insulin causes vasodilation. This means the vessels "open up" and transport more blood (and nutrients) to the cells. Can you say "feed the muscle!"? And yes, that extra blood flow is full of the protein, amino acids, and carbs that you'll be ingesting immediately after the training session.

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A bodybuilding workout hardly qualifies itself for post workout shake.  These tests were done on and meant for endurance athletes. 

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2006, 12:15:06 PM »
lol...its pretty damn funny how some guys are posting on a bodybuilding board and have no clue about basic nutrition.

well if u eat 5 or 6 times a day the nutrients will stay in your body so there is no reason for a post workout shake...lol.

leroy colbert and john grimick didnt care about post workout shakes.

lol...the shit is just so idiotic its comical.

You are a sheep who believes anything those snake oil salesman supplement company's say. That's why it's a multimillion dollar business.

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #67 on: August 27, 2006, 03:08:39 PM »
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A bodybuilding workout hardly qualifies itself for post workout shake.  These tests were done on and meant for endurance athletes. 

no, these tests and studies have been done with bodybuilders/ stength athletes as well as endurace athletes.

the validity of the postworkout shake is a proven fact period....different formulas, the amount of protein, glutamine,creatine, ect...all that stuff is up for discussion...to skip the postworkout window of opportunity you are only short changing yourself.

but like i said more power to you... if u wanna eat your baked chicken breast or throw down a few cheeseburger go for it....what did steeve reeves do in 1952, maybe a half gallon of milk and a few pieces of fruit?

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2006, 03:20:05 PM »
TA always disregards any scientific evidence or journals

Therefore, his posts are to be disregarded as well.

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2006, 04:01:01 PM »
It's a fact that the food you eat right now is the only food that helps you build  ::)

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« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2006, 04:01:53 PM »
It's a fact that the food you eat right now is the only food that helps you build  ::)

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2006, 04:15:25 PM »


No Ronnie does not take shakes after training.

Incorrect, Ronnie does have a shake after training. I asked him about this earlier this year, my question was in regards to his video "The Cost of Redemption" you see him eating his 4 solid food meals and that's it. I asked him if that was all he really ate throughout the day and he said no it wasn't but they had to cut some stuff out of the video in editing. He said he always has a shake or 2 every day and one after post training.

Yes he goes to the Black Eyed Pea after training and eats, but there is a shake in between this and most likely some slin as well...come on, they can't show that.

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« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2006, 04:17:17 PM »
TA always disregards any scientific evidence or journals

Therefore, his posts are to be disregarded as well.

thanks man...cause he had me scratchin my head....that explains alot.

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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2006, 04:46:05 PM »
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH,

They don`t do a thing.




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Re: POST AND PRE workout shakes are for losers.
« Reply #74 on: August 28, 2006, 07:02:19 AM »
HAHAHAH I have taken Post workout shake and Nothing was different at all.  I wasn`t stronger nor was my energy better.

Just another stupid myth.

Its a joke.

Are you looking for a miracle pill or something, your just like every other fat loser you walks into a gym and works out for about a week and says his doesn't see results.
Adonis, time time time.. Your not going to see results from your pre or post workout shakes/meals because it takes time to view the results, I would think a gym rat like yourself would know that, but I see now your totally lost and conviced yourself otherwise. Good luck giving your body what it needs after a workout.