Author Topic: Who are the most overrated/underrated pros ever? (Read 8758 times)

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #25 on:** August 25, 2006, 07:53:04 AM »

Quote from: natural al on August 25, 2006, 07:46:03 AM

why don't you feel he should be getting those placings? Just curious.

Jay is very big period. Relatively speaking he lacks detail, separation and vascularity. I don't like his structure, his head is too big and when he flexes NOTHING happens. I think he should be 4th or 5th. Toney Freman, Dexter Jackson and an "on" Chris Cormier all fvcking destroy him.But he's got the right color skin and there arecenough people who actually like big mass monsters that he'll keep getting his high placings.

natural al · « **Reply #26 on:** August 25, 2006, 08:00:08 AM »

Quote from: Groink on August 25, 2006, 07:53:04 AM

Jay is very big period. Relatively speaking he lacks detail, separation and vascularity. I don't like his structure, his head is too big and when he flexes NOTHING happens. I think he should be 4th or 5th. Toney Freman, Dexter Jackson and an "on" Chris Cormier all fvcking destroy him.But he's got the right color skin and there arecenough people who actually like big mass monsters that he'll keep getting his high placings.

while I don't agree with you I respect your opinion.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #27 on:** August 25, 2006, 08:09:02 AM »

Quote from: natural al on August 25, 2006, 08:00:08 AM

while I don't agree with you I respect your opinion.

That's why it's the G&O board

Let me ask you this though, What If his name wasn't Jay Cutler it was Rufus Porter, and he wasn't a blue eyed blond he was a black guy with nostrils you could stick a quarter in. Do you still think he'd be the #2 guy 5 years running?

Marty Champions · « **Reply #28 on:** August 25, 2006, 08:59:41 AM »

jay cutler was good but the past 7-8 years he sucks

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #29 on:** August 25, 2006, 09:13:21 AM »

Under-rated: fauzi hanst, J.D. Dawodu

the shadow · « **Reply #30 on:** August 25, 2006, 09:43:32 AM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on August 25, 2006, 06:11:08 AM

So you think big fuckers with no balance or shape is what makes a good bodybuilder?

dude bodybuilding is all about size and more size..and mind you the mass monsters i just mentioned were not only big but they also had decent shape to go with the size they had..so ithink so if you are 280lbs contest shape and you just have little symmetry is much better than a 230lbs with only symmetry and no size..mas monsters rule

fitnessman · « **Reply #31 on:** August 25, 2006, 09:54:28 AM »

overated - jay cutler he has one ugly fucking psyique his jaw is huge, his head is huge, he has a wide waiste no back detail the reason he places so hi is because he i swhite nothing else

underated- mike mentzer- people rag on him for his ideas later on in life, but in his day he was immensley popular had a great looking build, only competed two years. finished no worse than third in every show except the 80 olympia

came within two points of winning the olympia his frist try, wasted potential big time.

suck my balls and lick my ass

IceCold · « **Reply #32 on:** August 25, 2006, 10:24:37 AM »

Quote from: Matt C on August 25, 2006, 12:33:26 AM

Yates for sure. From the moment I first read about him in FLEX mags in 2001 I had no idea what the buzz was about this construction worker. Huge - yes. Shapely - not even close. He was maybe top six in terms of shape at any given show - maybe top six! How pathetic is that? Say what you will about Ronnie - he is always the biggest at his shows and top three in terms of conditioning and structure. Dorian was the biggest from the back, not even from the front, the hardest and best conditioned usually, but not even top material in terms of structure.

Underrated - Aaron Baker. Bertil Fox back in his day. Lee Labrada had no business beating Mike Christian at the 1987 Mr. Olympia.

you just proved your ignorancre just there.

i knew you and hulkster started following the sport only a few years ago - during coleman's reign. you never saw the magazines that acutally featured dorian. you never read a contest report in an Olympia that dorian competed in. you never read other comments from pro bbers saying how dominant he was and that they really had no chance of beating him and how much they respected dorian. you've only seen a few pics of him, eventhough you post mostly pics from 94 and 97 - his worst showings - never pics from him during other shows with a written report by a journalist. big differecen between that and the 'ask dorian' column.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #33 on:** August 25, 2006, 10:31:32 AM »

Quote from: IceCold on August 25, 2006, 10:24:37 AM

you just proved your ignorancre just there.

i knew you and hulkster started following the sport only a few years ago - during coleman's reign. you never saw the magazines that acutally featured dorian. you never read a contest report in an Olympia that dorian competed in. you never read other comments from pro bbers saying how dominant he was and that they really had no chance of beating him and how much they respected dorian. you've only seen a few pics of him, eventhough you post mostly pics from 94 and 97 - his worst showings - never pics from him during other shows with a written report by a journalist. big differecen between that and the 'ask dorian' column.

I was there when he came around and I thought he sucked giant asshole. I begrudgingly accept his first two victories but after he tore his bi it was a fvcking farce that he won,plain and simple. And there were plenty of people back in the day that felt the same way.

Hulkster · « **Reply #34 on:** August 25, 2006, 02:09:26 PM »

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i knew you and hulkster started following the sport only a few years ago - during coleman's reign

ummm... I have been following the sport since around 1988, well before Coleman's reign.

Were did you get this info from?

Hulkster · « **Reply #35 on:** August 25, 2006, 02:12:20 PM »

most overrated:

nuff said

most underrated:

should have won the O. a few times, and never should have lost to Lee Labrada in 1992, Levrone in 99, Flex in 00 etc etc.

Shawn should have placed higher in many of his contests IMO.

Hulkster · « **Reply #36 on:** August 25, 2006, 02:15:03 PM »

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you never saw the magazines that acutally featured dorian. you never read a contest report in an Olympia that dorian competed in.

umm. I have some of these magazines and have quoted them before on these threads.

don't just pretend to know stuff when you actually have no idea what you are talking about..

Hell, I have probably been following the sport longer than you have been alive...

benchmstr · « **Reply #37 on:** August 25, 2006, 02:15:22 PM »

Quote from: PhoenixBuff on August 25, 2006, 07:25:38 AM

Hmmmmm

2000 Mr. Olympia Rome, 2nd place;

2000 English Grand Prix, 2nd place;

2001 Mr. Olympia, 2nd place;

2002 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2003 IronMan Pro Invitational, 1st place;

2003 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2003 San Francisco Pro Invitational, 1st place;

2003 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

2003 Russia Grand Prix, 2nd place;

2003 British Grand Prix, 1st place;

2003 Dutch Grand Prix, 1st place;

2003 GNC Show of Strength, 2nd place;

2004 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;

2004 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

2005 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;

Yeah, he's overrated all right..................i diot!

just because he won doesnt mean he deserved it, hell look at the fucking president you choad smoker

Hulkster · « **Reply #38 on:** August 25, 2006, 02:19:05 PM »

Quote from: benchmstr on August 25, 2006, 02:15:22 PM

just because he won doesnt mean he deserved it, hell look at the fucking president you choad smoker

exactly. The same thing holds true with Yates: the fact that he did so well and yet looked like (see above) only ADDS to his overratedness.

His great contest record does not prove that he was not overrated, rather, the exact opposite.

Necrosis · « **Reply #39 on:** August 25, 2006, 02:26:54 PM »

dorian makes me sick in that picture. look at those quads, and ugly arms and ugly chest and ugly.................... .. he looks like a pile of shit. man i cant get over how bad his quads were.

Hulkster · « **Reply #40 on:** August 25, 2006, 02:30:13 PM »

Quote from: usmokepole on August 25, 2006, 02:26:54 PM

dorian makes me sick in that picture. look at those quads, and ugly arms and ugly chest and ugly.................... .. he looks like a pile of shit. man i cant get over how bad his quads were.

I get accusing of unecessarily bashing dorian all the time, but the truth is, I am just calling them as I see them, like you.

In 1993 he looked good.

Most other years, no.

pumpster · « **Reply #41 on:** August 25, 2006, 02:30:40 PM »

Quote

dorian makes me sick in that picture. look at those quads, and ugly arms and ugly chest and ugly.................... .. he looks like a pile of shit. man i cant get over how bad his quads were.

How about these?

Hulkster · « **Reply #42 on:** August 25, 2006, 03:06:07 PM »

Quote from: Matt C on August 25, 2006, 02:50:35 PM

It's nice to have a taper if you want to be considered to have a good structure in bodybuilding.

lol

bigben280 · « **Reply #43 on:** August 25, 2006, 03:35:58 PM »

UNDERRATED= Dennis James, Markus RUhl, Tom Prince, Chris Comier, Nasser

OverRated= Too many to write

Slick Vic · « **Reply #44 on:** August 25, 2006, 04:02:35 PM »

Overrated: Dorian Yates

Underrated: Darrem Charles

Nordic Beast · « **Reply #45 on:** August 25, 2006, 05:44:17 PM »

Overrated:Jay Cutler (yes he has been 2nd in the olympia many times and has won the arnold classic a bunch---------but when I saw him live at the olympia last year his gut was too wide)

Underratted: Ronny Rocknel (awesome structure, great taper-------he is what a bodybuilder should look like as opposed to the bloated gut, growth hormone gorillas we see on stage all over)

Tokyo Joe · « **Reply #46 on:** August 25, 2006, 06:28:34 PM »

Yates deserved his first two wins, no doubt there. I was sitting four rows from the front at the 93 Olympia. When he walked on stage there was a gigantic 'holy shit' sigh from the crowd. He was riiiipped to the bone, symmetrical and every other adjective you can think of.

Shawn was stiffed that year too, finishing behind Flex.

Anyway, point is, Dorian looked incredible in person. After he tore his bis he rode his name for the next few O's and won purely on conditioning.

Aaron Baker was underrated. Great shape, lines and size but blew it most times by coming in too heavy..

Craig Titus was overrated. Looked good before he turned pro, then went on a trip to the land of forgotten waistlines.. Was only good at marketing himself and creating a name with his feud with Kamali.

sarcasm · « **Reply #47 on:** August 25, 2006, 06:31:36 PM »

Sonny Schmidt was very underrated.

bbinsider · « **Reply #48 on:** August 25, 2006, 07:05:49 PM »

Underated: Aaron Baker
Overated:Doran Yates

MikeThaMachine · « **Reply #49 on:** August 25, 2006, 08:09:05 PM »

For more modern times

Underrated: Cormier should have placed better at many shows esp early in his career

Overrated: Cutler and Dex both look great but way overrated (they AREN'T possible Mr. O's if BBing has any morals)

The past

Underrated: Robby Robinson, Shawn "Money Bags" Ray they have the complete package with a freaky look (frnt dbl bi vacuum)

Overrated: Mike Katz, Mike Mentzer they are both bitch like menstruating teens

Author Topic: Who are the most overrated/underrated pros ever? (Read 8758 times)

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