Author Topic: MD vs. Flex - Really Setting the Record Straight (Read 16883 times)

Crusher · « **Reply #50 on:** September 09, 2006, 12:01:59 AM »

Quote from: rocket on September 08, 2006, 10:02:35 PM

I disagree Chris. I think the content in Flex is so infantile that I seriously consider them to be ripping off people who buy it.

If you want stuff on training or atleast real "new ideas" go read tmag for free.

If you want pictures of bodybuilders read the boards.

If you want toilet paper, buy toilet paper! flex is unsuitable for anal cleansing (I know this from experience).

Valentino?

240 is Back · « **Reply #51 on:** September 09, 2006, 12:26:06 AM »

Quote from: Crusher on September 09, 2006, 12:01:59 AM

Valentino?

yeah, rocket is valentino. Where have you been, living under a rock?

Crusher · « **Reply #52 on:** September 09, 2006, 08:49:43 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on September 09, 2006, 12:26:06 AM

yeah, rocket is valentino. Where have you been, living under a rock?

I guess I have! Wow, I learn something new every day on GetBig!
Thanks.

rocket · « **Reply #53 on:** September 09, 2006, 07:23:59 PM »

Baha, good one 240

hifrommike · « **Reply #54 on:** September 10, 2006, 01:18:29 PM »

The Weiders don't care what is best for bodybuilding. They just want to continue to have the exclusive right to exploit their "pros" (= "we tell them when to jump & they have to even though they're not getting paid anything to do so") without any distractions or competition. The Weiders care only about selling mags, exercise equipment & supplements. Pecker cares only about how much advertising revenue he can generate for the AMI people. If any of them cared a whit about bodybuilders, FLEX wouldn't have run yet another plea for donations to cover Mike Matarazzo's medical bills. I get so angry over that I could chew nails.

Pazuzu · « **Reply #55 on:** September 10, 2006, 04:24:24 PM »

Joe Weider sold off his mags for 350 million dollars, and doesn't offer to pay for Mike's medical bills - how much money did Joe make from images of Matarazzo in his mags and supplement ads?

G o a t b o y · « **Reply #56 on:** September 10, 2006, 04:28:52 PM »

Quote from: Pazuzu on September 10, 2006, 04:24:24 PM

Joe Weider sold off his mags for 350 million dollars, and doesn't offer to pay for Mike's medical bills -

Hey... $350 million isn't what it used to be! It's not like Joe's a billionaire or something... it's not like he can afford to go throwing money around indiscriminately. What, you think he's made of money or something?

MCWAY · « **Reply #57 on:** September 10, 2006, 06:43:44 PM »

Quote from: Pazuzu on September 10, 2006, 04:24:24 PM

Joe Weider sold off his mags for 350 million dollars, and doesn't offer to pay for Mike's medical bills - how much money did Joe make from images of Matarazzo in his mags and supplement ads?

Last time I checked, Matarazzo was responsible for his own health. Matarazzo appeared in the ads for Weider and got paid for it. That's all the compensation that Joe Weider or anybody else for whom Matarazzo worked owed him.

gordiano · « **Reply #58 on:** September 10, 2006, 11:20:39 PM »

Quote from: Pazuzu on September 10, 2006, 04:24:24 PM

Joe Weider sold off his mags for 350 million dollars, and doesn't offer to pay for Mike's medical bills - how much money did Joe make from images of Matarazzo in his mags and supplement ads?

I'm with you there "Ebony Muscle Mountain" Lover. I know it's not pc, but Joe & Ben are assholes. They really should have given back more to the people who helped them build their empire/fortune.

Then again, the bbers are too dumb to realize that without them, the IFBB would be out of business.

Remember, people will walk all over you, if you allow them to.

hifrommike · « **Reply #59 on:** September 11, 2006, 11:04:48 AM »

The Weiders treat their pro competitors like independent contractors who are required to work for free. The competitors contract for services on the condition that they do everything the IFBB requires of them. If any of them "act up," then the usual procedure is to either ban them from contests or make sure they never place highly again (as Aaron Baker found out). It is a closed shop. However, there is plenty of publicity & (as long as you're in their good graces) compliments. You can't eat publicity & compliments, though, or feed your kids with it, or pay for health or life insurance with it. & that is where I fault the system that the Weiders set up. Except for the top one or two pros, they expect the wealth to "trickle down" from other sources. Maybe it will & maybe it won't. Meanwhile, the Weiders are aware that there are plenty more BBs where the others came from, & if the current ones don't like it, they can hit the road.

I once dropped my subscription to MUSCLE & FITNESS because of a statement some flunky editor made in a caption of a pic of Joe W. It said something to this effect: "Pros come & go, but Joe Weider is the true king of bodybuilding because he's always there at the heart of it." Yeah. Right.

MCWAY · « **Reply #60 on:** September 11, 2006, 05:56:12 PM »

Quote from: gordiano on September 10, 2006, 11:20:39 PM

I'm with you there "Ebony Muscle Mountain" Lover. I know it's not pc, but Joe & Ben are assholes. They really should have given back more to the people who helped them build their empire/fortune.

Then again, the bbers are too dumb to realize that without them, the IFBB would be out of business.

Remember, people will walk all over you, if you allow them to.

Who's being walked over here? Matarazzo did a job; he got PAID for that job. Beyond the agreed-upon compensation, Weider owes Matarazzo ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!

If someone paints your house and you win a grand prize of $500,000 in your neighborhood, you don't owe the guy who painted your house any more money than what was mutually agreed upon, when you hired him. Furthermore, you aren't obligated to pay his medical bills, if he injures himself painting someone else's house.

Pazuzu · « **Reply #61 on:** September 11, 2006, 06:39:38 PM »

McWay, you don't happen to work for Weider/AMI, do you? Just wondering.

MCWAY · « **Reply #62 on:** September 11, 2006, 06:44:18 PM »

Quote from: Pazuzu on September 11, 2006, 06:39:38 PM

McWay, you don't happen to work for Weider/AMI, do you? Just wondering.

Let some people tell it, not only do I work for Weider, but I'm also a sales rep for GNC, a supplement rep for MuscleTech, and a personal trainer at Bally.

Edit - But, to answer your question.....NO.

Pazuzu · « **Reply #63 on:** September 11, 2006, 06:47:59 PM »

That's a lot of jobs, dang!

Spicy Shushi · « **Reply #64 on:** September 11, 2006, 08:19:02 PM »

Quote from: Pazuzu on September 11, 2006, 06:47:59 PM

That's a lot of jobs, dang!

like you writing under multiple names

Special Ed · « **Reply #65 on:** September 11, 2006, 08:35:25 PM »

Steve,

A simple "FuckYou, Peckerhead" would have sufficed.

Special "Mr. Dumplypia 2005" Ed

Below Me · « **Reply #66 on:** September 11, 2006, 09:35:48 PM »

May be off-base, but I see this going the way boxing is going.
Weider/King ran the Pro sport for so long and some upstarts have had enough.
For boxing - the government and fan base getting sick of the way things have been run is hastening the demise of the sport and an alternative has come up - UFC.
For BB - the government crackdown is coming, fans are already pretty sick of the sport and politics and there are alternatives like strongman coming up.
Both sides in this petty argument can't see the writing on the wall.

gordiano · « **Reply #67 on:** September 11, 2006, 09:38:26 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on September 11, 2006, 05:56:12 PM

Who's being walked over here? Matarazzo did a job; he got PAID for that job. Beyond the agreed-upon compensation, Weider owes Matarazzo ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!

If someone paints your house and you win a grand prize of $500,000 in your neighborhood, you don't owe the guy who painted your house any more money than what was mutually agreed upon, when you hired him. Furthermore, you aren't obligated to pay his medical bills, if he injures himself painting someone else's house.

Since when do bbers get paid anything for appearing in a Weider/AMI rag?

Sure, he had a supps contarct but what was he making there, not much I'm sure, if someone like Shawn (first tier bber) didn't get 100K a year, how much does someone like Mazz make?

Are you going to tell me that Mad Mazz didn't help Weider sell his shit? Wether it be mags, supps, tickets, or equipment.......he helped build the Weider empire. Now his health isn't very good, you think it had something to do with bbing (you know what I'm talking about)? You'd think that someone with millions and millions to spare would help someone who helped them make their fortune, but hey, I guess only someone with a conscience would do something like that.

Chick · « **Reply #68 on:** September 11, 2006, 09:51:07 PM »

Quote from: gordiano on September 11, 2006, 09:38:26 PM

Since when do bbers get paid anything for appearing in a Weider/AMI rag?

Sure, he had a supps contarct but what was he making there, not much I'm sure, if someone like Shawn (first tier bber) didn't get 100K a year, how much does someone like Mazz make?

Are you going to tell me that Mad Mazz didn't help Weider sell his shit? Wether it be mags, supps, tickets, or equipment.......he helped build the Weider empire. Now his health isn't very good, you think it had something to do with bbing (you know what I'm talking about)? You'd think that someone with millions and millions to spare would help someone who helped them make their fortune, but hey, I guess only someone with a conscience would do something like that.

Well...since about 1965 or so.

Peaking at 45 !!! · « **Reply #69 on:** September 11, 2006, 10:11:27 PM »

Joe and Ben... The next move is yours ...

240 is Back · « **Reply #70 on:** September 11, 2006, 10:20:21 PM »

Fear not, guys. I'll get ol' Joe on the horn in the AM. Anything else i should ask him?

Peaking at 45 !!! · « **Reply #71 on:** September 11, 2006, 10:24:53 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on September 11, 2006, 10:20:21 PM

Fear not, guys. I'll get ol' Joe on the horn in the AM. Anything else i should ask him?

Please ask Joe about the "Weider Penny Pinching Principle"

Thank You !

Ron · « **Reply #72 on:** September 11, 2006, 10:27:09 PM »

The issue is a long standing one between Flex and MD, and the various tactics, etc.

This issue will be going all the way to the Olympia - started via the magazine attacks, then the web attacks, now radio shows discussion, various interviews - and the talk will continue. What will happen when Steve Blechman, John Romano, Flex Wheeler and Dave Palumbo walk into the Olympia Press Conference on Thursday.

The same as other years, except this year, they don't have press passes.

Special Ed · « **Reply #73 on:** September 12, 2006, 11:20:01 AM »

Quote from: Chick on September 11, 2006, 09:51:07 PM

Well...since about 1965 or so.

Bob,

Give us a break. Everyone knows AMI/Weider doesn't pay a dime for photoshoots of bodybuilders in their mags. The Photogs email/call all the pros asking them for shoot dates after the contests -- but they don't pay because they don't have to. It's all about the "exposure". If you're saying I'm wrong and you have a copy of a cancelled check for your Kamali/Chick photoshoot with Flex Magazine, please post it to shut me up.

Special "Proof is in the Pudding....Mmmmm...Puddi ng" Ed

Blockhead · « **Reply #74 on:** September 12, 2006, 11:30:02 AM »

Special 'One for the Money, Two for the Show' Ed is right...

Matter o' fact...he should be writing for MD now as we speak. He should be up in that picture with Palumbo, Romano that Metrosexual and Flex.

Chick knows about how powerful GETBIG is...he knows he cant try to piss on our shoes and tell us its raining. This is GETBIG ... I'm sure that some people believe that 'the pros' get paid mad bank for a photoshoot... when they don't get jack siht!