but he is a joke to the up-and-coming.........
Please explain - I don't think you know what you are talking about. Joke huh? I'd say he's doing rather well............
2000 Night of Champions 1st place;
2000 Mr. Olympia, 8th place;
2000 Mr. Olympia Rome, 2nd place;
2000 English Grand Prix, 2nd place;
2001 Mr. Olympia, 2nd place;
2002 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;
2003 IronMan Pro Invitational, 1st place;
2003 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;
2003 San Francisco Pro Invitational, 1st place;
2003 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;
2003 Russia Grand Prix, 2nd place;
2003 British Grand Prix, 1st place;
2003 Dutch Grand Prix, 1st place;
2003 GNC Show of Strength, 2nd place;
2004 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, 1st place;
2004 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;
2005 Mr. Olympia 2nd place;
If that's a joke to the up and coming, they either are jealous of Jay or are just plain f*cking dumb!