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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2006, 06:30:09 AM »
mohammad didnt bring evil into the world. Satan is the source of evil. Satan was thrown out of heaven in a prehistoric battle with Jehovah. Satan has decieved many people in this world, including muslims and yes even catholics (the crusades). The only way to overcome this world, satan, and death, is through faith in Jesus Christ.

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2006, 06:36:34 AM »
mohammad didnt bring evil into the world. Satan is the source of evil. Satan was thrown out of heaven in a prehistoric battle with Jehovah. Satan has decieved many people in this world, including muslims and yes even catholics (the crusades). The only way to overcome this world, satan, and death, is through faith in Jesus Christ.

Can I ask how you know satan was/ is evil?

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2006, 07:25:26 AM »
I agree. I remember talking to my muslim friends about that cartoon which insulted a lot of muslims and he said that that could have sparked world war 3. The fact that I agree isn't solely justified in that one conversation, but I really believe that when it comes to the muslim vs. christian issue, something big will eventually happen.

Muslims are good people but they VERY strictly go by "an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." Respect is a huge part of their culture. My muslim friends also tell me they would die for their respect. Sounds crazy to me but...  :-\

This pope fought against the Nazis you fool.

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2006, 07:31:53 AM »
So? He is making this point in the full knowledge that he is the spokesman for his religion throughout the world. He does not disagree with his "quoted" points and knows full well that his comments are inflamatory.
Just another relogious despot getting off on his holier than thou attitude. 

Again, you boob, you ignore Iran's leader calling for the destruction of Israel and USA and are upset over this????  You must either be in college or a moooslime yourself.

When was the last time Christians in the name of God blew up a school (Beslan), rioted over cartoons, killed over a movie (Theo Van Gogh), behead journalists (Daniel Pearl), did I mention 9/11, Madrid, or London????

Face it, Islam is a cult of death with some peaceful followers, not a religion of peace with a few radicals.  The silent ones are either cowards or complicit in all of this.

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2006, 08:16:28 AM »
Again, you boob, you ignore Iran's leader calling for the destruction of Israel and USA and are upset over this????  You must either be in college or a moooslime yourself.

When was the last time Christians in the name of God blew up a school (Beslan), rioted over cartoons, killed over a movie (Theo Van Gogh), behead journalists (Daniel Pearl), did I mention 9/11, Madrid, or London????

Face it, Islam is a cult of death with some peaceful followers, not a religion of peace with a few radicals.  The silent ones are either cowards or complicit in all of this.

He he you have to love the reactionary people on forums around the world!
Just because I am against mainstream catholicism you presume Im muslim!   
I will not defend any organised monothseistic religion because my opinion is that they are all formed from the minds of men and are simply there to either give a faLse hope to the mentally weak and inept OR to gain control of the population through fear.
Im not biased I hate them all.
But hey, why ask my opinion or how I have formed this opinion, instead it's much better to just shout HE'S A MUSLIM!! ::)

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2006, 09:04:46 AM »
So? He is making this point in the full knowledge that he is the spokesman for his religion throughout the world. He does not disagree with his "quoted" points and knows full well that his comments are inflamatory.
Just another relogious despot getting off on his holier than thou attitude. 

Well, lets bring up the contents of the quote. Was the quote wrong? The quote is timeless, and can be applied to moslems of this era and the area of the context of the quote. True or False?
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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2006, 09:09:17 AM »
Just because I am against mainstream catholicism you presume Im muslim!   

Would you say you're against Catholicism more so than you are to islamism (satanism)?

I'd like to know your pros/con list has to why...

These didn't make your list I bet:
911, Madrid, Tube bombings, Bali bombs, Taliban, Womens rights, muhammad cartoons, freedom of speech, slavery ...
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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2006, 05:39:20 PM »
Still waiting for muslim indignation over 9/11..



Pope's apology for 'slur' fails to quell rising Muslim fury

CHRISTIAN churches in the Middle East were attacked yesterday as an apology from Pope Benedict XVI failed to quell fury over his controversial comments on Islam.

Five churches were targeted in the Palestine territories and last night, in a chilling development, a violent Iraqi insurgent group vowed to suicide bomb the Vatican in the wake of the Pontiff's speech.

The Pope quoted a medieval ruler who said Muhammad had brought only "evil and inhuman" things to the world, sparking growing anger across the Muslim world.

The chilling statement from the Mujahadeen Army, posted on the website used by militant groups, was addressed to "you dog of Rome" and threatened to "shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home".

"We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life," said the message, which contained links to video recordings of what the group claimed were rocket attacks on US bases.

The same group has claimed responsibility for scores of attacks in Iraq, including the April 2005 downing of a helicopter carrying 11 civilians, including six Americans.

The Muslim world will today expect a personal apology when the Pope makes his first public appearance since the controversial speech last Tuesday at the Angelus blessing in St Peter's Square, Rome.

The Pontiff spent yesterday in his country retreat outside Rome with his closest advisers as security was stepped up at the Vatican in readiness for today's appearance in which he usually discusses current affairs.

The Vatican was forced to issue a statement yesterday in a bid to defuse the affair. The move was a clear sign of the growing fears within the church that the crisis was spiralling out of control.

"The Holy Father is very sorry that some passages of his speech may have sounded offensive to the sensibilities of Muslim believers," Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said in the statement.

But while the apology from the Vatican was welcomed by most of Britain's mainstream Muslim groups, those in the Middle East were less forgiving. More protests were held in Karachi, in Gaza and in Turkey.

Lebanon's most senior Shi'ite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, said: "We do not accept the apology through Vatican channels and ask him to offer a personal apology - not through his officials - to Muslims for this false reading [of Islam]".

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood said the statement did not go far enough and called on the Pontiff to apologise in person.

"We feel he has committed a grave error against us and that this mistake will only be removed through a personal apology," the Brotherhood's deputy leader Mohammed Habib said.

Iran also condemned Pope Benedict XVI, calling his comments "a big mistake" and demanding an apology.

But the most worrying turn of events took place in the Palestinian territories where gangs wielding guns and firebombs turned their anger on churches. Four churches were targeted in the West Bank town of Nablus, while gunmen opened fire at a fifth in Gaza, leaving the walls pocked by bulletholes and scorched by firebombs.

Only one was a Catholic church. In one of the attacks, five firebombs struck an Anglican church, setting fire to the door. In the attack on the Catholic church, four gunmen doused the doors with lighter fluid before setting it alight. A group calling itself the Lions of Monotheism claimed responsibility.

In Iraq, the government asked Muslims not to take their anger out on the small Christian minority, after the door of a church in Basra was attacked.

Benedict's worst crisis since he was elected in April 2005 was sparked by a speech at the University of Regensburg in his native Germany last Tuesday that appeared to endorse a Christian view, contested by most Muslims, that early Muslims spread their religion by violence. The Pope's speech quoted from a book recounting a conversation between 14th-century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and an educated Persian on the truths of Christianity and Islam.

"The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the Pope said. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached'."

The Pope described the phrases on Islam as "brusque", while neither explicitly agreeing with nor repudiating them. In his statement yesterday, Cardinal Bertone said the 79-year-old Pope had confirmed in the speech "his respect and esteem for those who profess the Islamic faith" and hoped his words would be understood "in their true sense".

The academic speech was meant as a "a clear and radical rejection of religiously motivated violence, wherever it comes from," he added.

Church insiders said the Pope, a theologian who has led a sheltered life in the Vatican for more than two decades, may not have understood the potential implications of his remarks. The backlash has cast doubt on a planned visit to Turkey by the Pope in November.

However, despite the continuing fury across the Middle East, Britain's mainstream Muslim groups said they accepted the Vatican's apology.

Dr Mohammed Abdul Bari, general secretary of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: "It's certainly a welcome step that the Pope recognises the hurt his speech caused. He quoted the words of the emperor who made very derogatory remarks about the Prophet."

Representatives of Scottish Muslims said the "damage had been done" but they also welcomed his apology. Former Glasgow councillor Bashir Mann, a member of the Muslim Council of Great Britain, said: "Relations are already strained. It is important for the Pope to realise what can happen after such a slip."


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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2006, 06:07:17 AM »
Still waiting for muslim indignation over 9/11..
Pope's apology for 'slur' fails to quell rising Muslim fury

CHRISTIAN churches in the Middle East were attacked yesterday as an apology from Pope Benedict XVI failed to quell fury over his controversial comments on Islam.

Five churches were targeted in the Palestine territories and last night, in a chilling development, a violent Iraqi insurgent group vowed to suicide bomb the Vatican in the wake of the Pontiff's speech.

The Pope quoted a medieval ruler who said Muhammad had brought only "evil and inhuman" things to the world, sparking growing anger across the Muslim world.

The chilling statement from the Mujahadeen Army, posted on the website used by militant groups, was addressed to "you dog of Rome" and threatened to "shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home".

"We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life," said the message, which contained links to video recordings of what the group claimed were rocket attacks on US bases.

The same group has claimed responsibility for scores of attacks in Iraq, including the April 2005 downing of a helicopter carrying 11 civilians, including six Americans.

The Muslim world will today expect a personal apology when the Pope makes his first public appearance since the controversial speech last Tuesday at the Angelus blessing in St Peter's Square, Rome.

The Pontiff spent yesterday in his country retreat outside Rome with his closest advisers as security was stepped up at the Vatican in readiness for today's appearance in which he usually discusses current affairs.

The Vatican was forced to issue a statement yesterday in a bid to defuse the affair. The move was a clear sign of the growing fears within the church that the crisis was spiralling out of control.

"The Holy Father is very sorry that some passages of his speech may have sounded offensive to the sensibilities of Muslim believers," Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said in the statement.

But while the apology from the Vatican was welcomed by most of Britain's mainstream Muslim groups, those in the Middle East were less forgiving. More protests were held in Karachi, in Gaza and in Turkey.

Lebanon's most senior Shi'ite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, said: "We do not accept the apology through Vatican channels and ask him to offer a personal apology - not through his officials - to Muslims for this false reading [of Islam]".

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood said the statement did not go far enough and called on the Pontiff to apologise in person.

"We feel he has committed a grave error against us and that this mistake will only be removed through a personal apology," the Brotherhood's deputy leader Mohammed Habib said.

Iran also condemned Pope Benedict XVI, calling his comments "a big mistake" and demanding an apology.

But the most worrying turn of events took place in the Palestinian territories where gangs wielding guns and firebombs turned their anger on churches. Four churches were targeted in the West Bank town of Nablus, while gunmen opened fire at a fifth in Gaza, leaving the walls pocked by bulletholes and scorched by firebombs.

Only one was a Catholic church. In one of the attacks, five firebombs struck an Anglican church, setting fire to the door. In the attack on the Catholic church, four gunmen doused the doors with lighter fluid before setting it alight. A group calling itself the Lions of Monotheism claimed responsibility.

In Iraq, the government asked Muslims not to take their anger out on the small Christian minority, after the door of a church in Basra was attacked.

Benedict's worst crisis since he was elected in April 2005 was sparked by a speech at the University of Regensburg in his native Germany last Tuesday that appeared to endorse a Christian view, contested by most Muslims, that early Muslims spread their religion by violence. The Pope's speech quoted from a book recounting a conversation between 14th-century Byzantine Christian Emperor Manuel Paleologos II and an educated Persian on the truths of Christianity and Islam.

"The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the Pope said. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached'."

The Pope described the phrases on Islam as "brusque", while neither explicitly agreeing with nor repudiating them. In his statement yesterday, Cardinal Bertone said the 79-year-old Pope had confirmed in the speech "his respect and esteem for those who profess the Islamic faith" and hoped his words would be understood "in their true sense".

The academic speech was meant as a "a clear and radical rejection of religiously motivated violence, wherever it comes from," he added.

Church insiders said the Pope, a theologian who has led a sheltered life in the Vatican for more than two decades, may not have understood the potential implications of his remarks. The backlash has cast doubt on a planned visit to Turkey by the Pope in November.

However, despite the continuing fury across the Middle East, Britain's mainstream Muslim groups said they accepted the Vatican's apology.

Dr Mohammed Abdul Bari, general secretary of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: "It's certainly a welcome step that the Pope recognises the hurt his speech caused. He quoted the words of the emperor who made very derogatory remarks about the Prophet."

Representatives of Scottish Muslims said the "damage had been done" but they also welcomed his apology. Former Glasgow councillor Bashir Mann, a member of the Muslim Council of Great Britain, said: "Relations are already strained. It is important for the Pope to realise what can happen after such a slip."



The followers of the cult of death will never be happy unless everyone converts or dies.  By the way, did you read that a nun was killed in Somalia by radical Islamic-nazis????

Islam is a cult more so than any other religion on the planet.  There is no other religion that even comes close.

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2006, 09:54:52 AM »
Thats hilarious but probably true.

its true ..i grew up there..i remember going out into the streets to play cricket cause there would be a cerfew everywhere and the military guys would stand and watch us play..and it ws fun cause NO cars were allowed on the road and mum would actualy feel safe that no one ws gonna kidnap us..

its stupid 3rd world mentality...but many times some sect political or religious would make some statement and next thing..riots all over the fucking city..cant go to the grocery stores or cant buy gas or cant go check up on your buziness..i remember once some american movie ws playing in one of our theaters and the islamists extremists (mostly afghani) poured into the theater (helf 500) and ripsed up most of the seats with knifes.....

its a product of the 3rd world.. :-\
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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2006, 09:58:11 AM »
Still waiting for muslim indignation over 9/11..








there ws plenty of indignation....2 bad you weren't watching BBC..what u r waiting for is an apology...aint gonna get it... :-\
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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2006, 10:00:00 AM »
its true ..i grew up there..i remember going out into the streets to play cricket cause there would be a cerfew everywhere and the military guys would stand and watch us play..and it ws fun cause NO cars were allowed on the road and mum would actualy feel safe that no one ws gonna kidnap us..

its stupid 3rd world mentality...but many times some sect political or religious would make some statement and next thing..riots all over the fucking city..cant go to the grocery stores or cant buy gas or cant go check up on your buziness..i remember once some american movie ws playing in one of our theaters and the islamists extremists (mostly afghani) poured into the theater (helf 500) and ripsed up most of the seats with knifes.....

its a product of the 3rd world.. :-\

Sounds like a great place to raise a family!
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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2006, 10:35:41 AM »
Sounds like a great place to raise a family!

meh...my driver always carried a gun..or i'd have guard in the car...for the most part...besides..i'm in the US now...
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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2006, 10:37:55 AM »
meh...my driver always carried a gun..or i'd have guard in the car...for the most part...besides..i'm in the US now...

Don't you miss the excitement? ???
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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2006, 10:43:30 AM »
Don't you miss the excitement? ???

lol sometimes....stepping out of a car with 5 bodyguards with automatic weapons step out with you ...just so you can play videogames at the mall has its pomp attached...having a driver at your disposal..having servants tie your shoelaces..and serve ya hand and feet....all in all though nahhh...the elders here know why exactlywe moved and i'm not gonna try that whole story again..

what i do miss a whole bunch ws riding on the beach with my buddies after school...we'd rent horses from the race track...get em taken to the beach and raceeachother..i cant seem to find a decent stable here in MD :(
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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2006, 10:52:22 AM »
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there ws plenty of indignation....2 bad you weren't watching BBC..what u r waiting for is an apology...aint gonna get it...
Ya the uproar was deafening.  ::) Nothing like we see now when they're bitching. Pathetic in general.

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2006, 10:30:15 PM »
Its funny listening to some of you idiots go back and forth like your removed from the problem..These bastards are everywhere..they are coming for th west..our downfall. Toxie's right in some respect its a third world problem but listen to his stories about Pakiistan and the Afghani's. Nobody is more worthless then the Afghan's.

Since Ramadam is coming we''ve stepped up our security measures. Our Pakistani contractors won't allow us to accompany them to the gate or see them to their vehicles after we pay them because they worry that we will make them a  target. Something big is coming....
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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2006, 10:35:52 PM »
Let's not forget Christianity's assult on Islam in the past.

The Catholic church killed thousands of their own people during the middleages in a fashion that Islamic radicals could only dream of.

Also by opening his nazi mouth he's really putting forth a declaration of war, and this will involve not only durka durka radicals but also moderates.

And how in the hell does that justify things now??????

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2006, 10:52:18 PM »
These didn't make your list I bet:
911, Madrid, Tube bombings, Bali bombs, Taliban, Womens rights, muhammad cartoons, freedom of speech, slavery ...

Anyone who has sufficiently studied the evidence behind 3 of those events is laughing at ya right now ;)

Anytime ya wanna debate 7/7, bring it up lol... monster inside job.  And this isn't crazy CT talk.  No, this is four individual bomb squads waiting in four invividual spots that morning.  And wouldn't ya know it - There happened to be four individual bombings that day?

Weird.  Oh, and there were 3 subway bombings and 1 bus bombing.  Funny!  Cause at the same time, they were doing 3 subway bombing drills and 1 bus bombing drills.

Ok, coincidences happen.  Oh, these drills were all taking place one block from each of the terror attacks.  yes, the men were waiting in their vehicles in their bomb gear.  They waited for the booms, then arrived on all 4 scenes before people had even stood up.

Monster response time, right? ;)

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2006, 02:30:49 AM »
Monster responce time yes. They have been aware of the possability on a suicide muzzy attack on british soil for a while, way before 7/7.

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2006, 05:02:03 AM »

there ws plenty of indignation....2 bad you weren't watching BBC..what u r waiting for is an apology...aint gonna get it... :-\

And if they want an apology next time we call them what they are, they ain't gonna get it either.

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2006, 12:41:58 PM »
Would you say you're against Catholicism more so than you are to islamism (satanism)?

I'd like to know your pros/con list has to why...

These didn't make your list I bet:
911, Madrid, Tube bombings, Bali bombs, Taliban, Womens rights, muhammad cartoons, freedom of speech, slavery ...

Re-read my post. Im against ALL orgainsed monotheistic religions. Im not so interested in acts of terrorism carried out in the name of religion but more the controlling way religion limits the outlook of men, dominates women and  controls the mentally inept.       

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2006, 01:02:17 PM »
Re-read my post. Im against ALL orgainsed monotheistic religions. Im not so interested in acts of terrorism carried out in the name of religion but more the controlling way religion limits the outlook of men, dominates women and  controls the mentally inept.       

Which religion is mostly closely related to what you describe in this day and age?

Any answer other than islam is INCORRECT.

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2006, 01:11:42 PM »
Which religion is mostly closely related to what you describe in this day and age?

Any answer other than islam is INCORRECT.

DO YOU AGREE TO THIS?

My girlfriend is Jewish and they can be some of the sorriest set of people sometimes.  I had to endure a stupid conversation about "fundamentalist christians" with her once.  It was incredible how dumb some people can be thinking that "radical christians" pose any threat to them when you literally have the leader of Iran calling for the destruction of USA and Israel.  I told her that when the shiite hits the fan where would she feel more safe, in a mosque or in a church?????????????  End of story! 

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Re: Muhammad had brought the world only evil and inhuman things says the Pope
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2006, 01:16:49 PM »
I told her that when the shiite hits the fan where would she feel more safe, in a mosque or in a church?

Haha, that's a great question to put to the average Joe on the street :D

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