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« on: September 16, 2006, 09:06:03 PM »

The 911 conspiracy stuff, well, of course I feel there should be a new investigation.  There are just too many holes in the official story, (and too much new evidence and info), for any reasonable person to deny the need for a second investigation.

And my policy regarding pre-pay for work has and always will be this way.  And to keep work steady and constant, I just about never dip below the flat rate pricetag.  I mean, if jenn Searles wanted to invite me to a slumber party, then maybe I could knock off 5%. 
240, you dumb bitch, read Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand up to the Facts," by James Meigs. You know, an editor for Popular Mechanics.
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2006, 09:15:39 PM »

240, you dumb bitch, read Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand up to the Facts," by James Meigs. You know, an editor for Popular Mechanics.

I may be a dumb bitch, but I know that one of the main editors of the Pop Mech articles was cousin of Homeland Secirity Chief michael Chertoff.

I may be a dumb bitch but I see the loose change kids making PM look like buffoons here -
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/120906debate.htm
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2006, 09:19:32 PM »

I may be a dumb bitch, but I know that one of the main editors of the Pop Mech articles was cousin of Homeland Secirity Chief michael Chertoff.

I may be a dumb bitch but I see the loose change kids making PM look like buffoons here -
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/120906debate.htm
Yes, you're right. You're a dumb bitch.

I also like there articles linking 9/11 with Nostradamus. Brutal lack of critical thinking.
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2006, 09:26:57 PM »

Yes, you're right. You're a dumb bitch.
I also like there articles linking 9/11 with Nostradamus. Brutal lack of critical thinking.

I'm a dumb bitch, sure.   Doesn't change the fact that 911 = inside job.
I've spent a lot of time researching this and I can seriously show you some big holes in the official story
Do your research, and come see us on the general board sometime Wink

Here's a teaser - lots of big booms in the basement, 14 and 17 seconds before the planes ever hit!



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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2006, 09:29:16 PM »

I'm a dumb bitch, sure.   Doesn't change the fact that 911 = inside job.
I've spent a lot of time researching this and I can seriously show you some big holes in the official story
Do your research, and come see us on the general board sometime Wink

Here's a teaser - lots of big booms in the basement, 14 and 17 seconds before the planes ever hit!



Yes Roz Zircoolio you are right. Bush had a secret button under his desk that control the towers to fall down.



what a stupid fool Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2006, 09:32:18 PM »

Bush had a secret button under his desk that control the towers to fall down.
what a stupid fool Roll Eyes

yeah, 47-story skyscrapers often fall into their own basement in 6.2 seconds, from 2 small pockets of fire. 


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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2006, 09:48:28 PM »

yeah, 47-story skyscrapers often fall into their own basement in 6.2 seconds, from 2 small pockets of fire. 
You moron, if you conspiracy buffs are so non-shady why do you countinuely take quotes out of context? Why do you stretch the truth? Why do you have connections to typical laughable conspiracy themes like Nostradamus? Delusional bullshit


http://www.debunking911.com/fire2.htm
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2006, 09:49:45 PM »

On this we disagree. You are an idiot.

Search for a conspiracy, and you find yourself!

so i take it you don't believe in any religion then?
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2006, 09:50:29 PM »

WTC5 was right next door to WTC7.
WTC5 had much bigger fires.


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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2006, 09:55:43 PM »

anyway, let's stay focused on the PDI topic. 

We talk a lot about 911 on the General board.  Go there to argue on its merits.

You're free to believe what you wish.  I have studied this topic a lot over the last 6 months.  Outside of the US, the media delivers a lot more information about it than we get here.  It's coming out here though, in time.   

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1350815371737518499&q=911+power+hour&hl=en

I bet ya $5 via paypal ya can't watch this movie and still believe the official story.
Email me if you're interested, I'm serious Smiley  Everyone who has ever taken me up on it has always refused the $ because they really believe the official story is, well, false Sad
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2006, 02:03:40 AM »

I have studied this topic a lot over the last 6 months.  Outside of the US, the media delivers a lot more information about it than we get here.

Honestly, the conspiracy theories seems to be mainly an American thing.

You read very little about it in any European media at all.

Perhaps you associate some of the news with the 9-11.

There have long been news clips showing dead American soldiers and dead civilians in European media. Something I know isn't allowed on the major American networks for different reasons.

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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2006, 02:19:14 AM »

Honestly, the conspiracy theories seems to be mainly an American thing.
You read very little about it in any European media at all.

Not the conspiracy per se - but the info is more complete and they leave in the stuff that gets pulled here because of conflicts.  CBC in canada, BBC in UK will often include 1 or two lines that ours will neglect.  When Hugo Chavez said yesterday that Bush was behind 911, the statements we cut different.  Some papers overseas might have the line he used about 'the buildings fell in 9 seconds' while over here, that line is replaced with something more negative about hugo.   i'm honestly kinda burned out on 911 at the moment.  i learned the truth, shared with those i know, and it's a great feeling to open some eyes.  But when you get ppl that are blind to fact and drop the word "treason!" like it's their middle name, it gets boring.  I just hope this political thing does its thing and swings back a tad more moderate.  This toture/attack everyone/world police crap is getting old.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2006, 02:34:11 AM »

Not the conspiracy per se - but the info is more complete and they leave in the stuff that gets pulled here because of conflicts.  CBC in canada, BBC in UK will often include 1 or two lines that ours will neglect.  When Hugo Chavez said yesterday that Bush was behind 911, the statements we cut different.  Some papers overseas might have the line he used about 'the buildings fell in 9 seconds' while over here, that line is replaced with something more negative about hugo.   i'm honestly kinda burned out on 911 at the moment.  i learned the truth, shared with those i know, and it's a great feeling to open some eyes.  But when you get ppl that are blind to fact and drop the word "treason!" like it's their middle name, it gets boring.  I just hope this political thing does its thing and swings back a tad more moderate.  This toture/attack everyone/world police crap is getting old.

The Chavez example is a good one IMO.

From what I've seen in US media, Chavez is pictured as a threat to his own country, the region and the USA.

This is slightly different from the picture that the international media give, when they give him coverage. He's pictured as someone who wants to bring the South American countries together, much like the European Union.

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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2006, 07:30:15 AM »

i'm going to watch this thing recommended by 240 with an open mind.

Cool.  Please let me know what you think of it.  This clip was one of the first movies I watched about it.  I don't agree with all of it.  But even if only ONE piece of evidence of the day stands out as a lie, it chanes your perspective on everything.
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2006, 07:40:49 AM »

yeah, 47-story skyscrapers often fall into their own basement in 6.2 seconds, from 2 small pockets of fire. 

You might want to take a metallurgical class so you have a better understanding of how heat effects steel, particularly structural steel.
Or just ask an engineer like myself.

Steel has a crystalline structure which can be easily manipulated with heat.
I could hand you a piece of steel (for instance 303 grade that you can easily cut or machine)
OTOH, I could hand you a piece of steel so that has been heat-treated to Rockwell scale 85 and it would be so hard you couldn't even scratch it.

Hardened steel when exposed to extreme temperatures  changes the internal properties of the steel.
No, the steel in the towers did not melt, that would be impossible.
What did happen was that the heat generated from the explosion changed the hardness of the steel, basically
changing it's fundamental properties and making it weak as shit, and unable to support *EVEN ITS OWN WEIGHT*. So how can one possibly expect it to hold the millions of tons on top of it?

Granted, the public will never know all the details of 911 but I'm sure there is no grandiose conspiracy either.
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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2006, 07:45:40 AM »

You might want to take a metallurgical class so you have a better understanding of how heat effects steel, particularly structural steel.
Or just ask an engineer like myself.

awesome... please tell me how these pockets of molten metal were still burning weeks and months later from jet fuel hahahahahaha.  And, why did WTC7 turn to powder in under 7 seconds? lol... monster creativity!

dude, you're an engineer.  Please tell us how this works:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8403741864603265979&q=wtc+7+collapse+new&hl=en
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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2006, 07:48:50 AM »

Why can't you guys stay on th fucking topic?  DAMN!!!!  The thread was about the PDI
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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2006, 07:56:03 AM »

Why can't you guys stay on th fucking topic?  DAMN!!!!  The thread was about the PDI

Professional Demolition, Inc? Smiley

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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2006, 09:06:24 AM »

this says it all about you. where has your research been conducted?  were you actually there at ground zero to hear the "big booms"?

LDEO measure the seismic blasts - they hit before the planes did.  Matched WTC worked accounts of huge subbasement blasts BEFORE planes hit.
Also, later, there are 9 blasts before S Tower falls, and 3 big booms before N Tower falls.  See and listen for yourself Smiley

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+blue+media&hl=en

27:35 shows you the NINE precollapse explosions, along with the rising fresh smoke clouds.  These are independent events fromt he very dark black smoke feeding upon paper at the top of the towers. 

NINE explosions.  This is unreal.


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If you did watch the blue media clip, you would have seen there were three massive blasts in the 17 seconds leading up to the collapse.  I think if everyone in American saw this 17 seconds of video, it might change their minds... Go to 52:20 and watch for about 90 seconds.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+blue+media&hl=en

http://houston.craigslist.org/pol/207103224.html


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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2006, 09:12:31 AM »

LDEO measure the seismic blasts - they hit before the planes did.  Matched WTC worked accounts of huge subbasement blasts BEFORE planes hit.
Also, later, there are 9 blasts before S Tower falls, and 3 big booms before N Tower falls.  See and listen for yourself Smiley

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+blue+media&hl=en

27:35 shows you the NINE precollapse explosions, along with the rising fresh smoke clouds.  These are independent events fromt he very dark black smoke feeding upon paper at the top of the towers. 

NINE explosions.  This is unreal.


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If you did watch the blue media clip, you would have seen there were three massive blasts in the 17 seconds leading up to the collapse.  I think if everyone in American saw this 17 seconds of video, it might change their minds... Go to 52:20 and watch for about 90 seconds.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=911+blue+media&hl=en

http://houston.craigslist.org/pol/207103224.html

So where were you standing near ground Zero?  Were you there?  Did you witness this in person? or am I reading you right and you witnessed this and researched this on the internet?
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« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2006, 09:16:19 AM »

So where were you standing near ground Zero?  Were you there?  Did you witness this in person? or am I reading you right and you witnessed this and researched this on the internet?

This is actually better because you remove fear from it.  You only haev scientific evidence.   There were giant spikes, 14 and 17 seconds before the planes hit, measured by the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory.  There were massive blasts (9 of them, then 3 of them) right before teh collapse.  They were recorded on multiple radio and videos. 

I pity all that were there.  I don't discount their experience being there.  And there were many reports from firefighters, police, and reporters on the scene of multiple bomb blasts too..   however bombs were never mentioned in the 911 Report, and the film and seismic data indicates bombs.  This is why I think a new investigation might clear this up.
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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2006, 09:22:55 AM »

mods - no need to move or delete the truth. Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2006, 09:57:45 AM »

awesome... please tell me how these pockets of molten metal were still burning weeks and months later from jet fuel hahahahahaha.  And, why did WTC7 turn to powder in under 7 seconds? lol... monster creativity!

dude, you're an engineer.  Please tell us how this works:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8403741864603265979&q=wtc+7+collapse+new&hl=en

FFS, can you read??

 The contention held by the conspiracy crackpots that the towers fell due to "melting steel" are preposterous.
The heat generated from the jet fuel (kerosene essentially) ANNEALED the support beams.
Look up the meaning of annealed because it's clear that this is a term that you have no experience with.

Have you any clue as to the ENORMOUS force that a million tons of accelerating mass creates?
At an acceleration rate of 32 ft./second^2 it's OBVIOUS why it only took seven seconds. Roll Eyes


Would you expect it to go anywhere except straight down?
Or should the laws of physics not apply because you clearly don't understand them.







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« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2006, 10:01:46 AM »

the thing is simple -

steel can only reach the temperature of the agent applied to it.  
steel cannot burn at temperatures hotter than jet fuel, if all you have is jet fuel.

problem is, the molten steel was much hotter than jet fuel.
this is a smoking gun indicating that a chemical agent was used on the steel.
there is no other explanation.

steel can reach 3000 degrees by using explosives.
steel cannot reach 3000 degrees from jet fuel.

steel reached 3000 degrees on 9/11 and for weeks after.

Making sense now?  
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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2006, 10:06:38 AM »

the thing is simple -

steel can only reach the temperature of the agent applied to it.  
steel cannot burn at temperatures hotter than jet fuel, if all you have is jet fuel.

problem is, the molten steel was much hotter than jet fuel.
this is a smoking gun indicating that a chemical agent was used on the steel.
there is no other explanation.

steel can reach 3000 degrees by using explosives.
steel cannot reach 3000 degrees from jet fuel.

steel reached 3000 degrees on 9/11 and for weeks after.

Making sense now?  

Plus, when NIST and the 911 commission were given this data - when they were shown that temperatures did indeed go beyond what jet fuel is capable of doing - they didn't want to touch it.

The wouldn't address it.  They said this was because "the molten steel on the ground had nothing to do with the collapse".  This is odd, since the molten steel on the ground came from teh collapse.

Scientists and politicians ignored undeniable proof that something other than jet fuel was making this steel molten.

Why did they do this?  Well, you tell me.  If the US population was suddenly aware that indeed explosives were used in the collapse, do you think they'd be more mad at
1) Osama, a guy in a cave on other side of the world, or
2) Silverstein, the only man with enough access to plant bombs, and Bush, the man who fought very hard to prevent any investigation

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