PDI Night of Champions: Steve Weinberger was there

[dorkeroo]

The bottom line is that, aside from Lee, five other guys who wouldn't have made a dime in the IFBB made money last Saturday being bodybuilders.  There is no possible argument against that being a good thing.

Very good point!

[Vince B]

The IFBB has a life president. There is no way to remove him from his office. Therefore there is no accountability. This is the problem the IFBB has.

[SuperFatTroll]

Im freemans trainer, hey ive known Steve forever.The guy knows there's a new league starting, And was taking notes...whats wrong with that .Well if you so called tough guys want to smack Weinburger talk all this shit ..stop bye powerhouse ..and if anyone has a beef with me for speaking I will for sure split there head wide open okay.Threaten with jail no big ...when I get bailed out, I will make sure beating is much worse ...any of you big talkers lets go.I welcome it ask around see If Im serious...That will be the day when the Ifbb And npc worry about this Punk ass bullshit.

AHAHAHAHAHAH!! THANX FOR THIS POST BROTHER!!! YOU ARE WAY TOOOOO DUMB AHAHAHAHAH!!!!

[HRDCOR]

The IFBB has a life president. There is no way to remove him from his office. Therefore there is no accountability. This is the problem the IFBB has.                                 

I agree for a Sporting Body this would have to be one of the silliest set up,s ever , shit even the UN doesnt even have that rule , The catholic church does (the pope) but look what hassel that causes them !!

[HRDCOR]

Also that being the case why is it that the presidents of there respected nations for the IFBB are only allowed a yearly tenders unless revoted in !!!

[Ear_to_the_Ground]

Ouch!...

If the bad English doesn't tell enough of his lack of intellect, threatening people with violence in a public forum certainly does. Most the contents of his posts are pretty much verbatim quotes from Joe Pesci's character in "Casino". I'm surprised he hasn't bragged about putting people's heads in vises and squeezing their eyeballs out. Freeman should be more careful about letting his "trainer" use his account IMO - no telling who's reading this board.

I would like to give a little advice to GEKKO on the Aponte subject. I know this guy. He was born and raised a true “BAD ASS”. We grew up in the same area of N.Y. If he reads this I want him to know right now…I HAVE AND WANT NO BEEF WITH YOU TONY! I know better. Gekko, some free advice... Aponte has been fighting since he was 9yrs old. I fully realized it when I saw him knock out the Golden Gloves Fighter in a Prospect Park club at the age of 17. Yeah sure everyone knows he did a Long prison stint many years ago, I would say almost 7 to 8 yrs. But since he’s been legit he moved to California and then the Northwest. He has some real know how in nutrition and develops real estate. He trained Martinez and now Freeman. Aponte is from the east and that’s why he defends the N.P.C. and probably good friends with This Steve Weinberger guy. Bro these east coast dudes stick together, you should know that. He is out of the gang life because he’s 42 or 43 yrs old by now. But if you look at the tattoos on him and notice he is always with a lot Italian dudes. Get a clue Dude. His family lives in Las Vegas and N.Y. and everyone knows his dad was a heavy dude back home in the Longshoremen's union and passed away 3 to 4 yrs ago. His dad left him a huge inheritance and as a hobby helps a bodybuilder now and then, but I know he doesn’t do something for nothing. I also know that if someone starts with him trust me he hits HARD and has a back ground in Kick Fighting. I’ve seen him with my own eyes do some wild sh*t, so if I was you Gekko I would keep my trap shut and not pick a fight. I say there is nothing wrong with a little chit chatter but lets keep it positive and move forward. Be cool, I’m just giving some advice that you should be glad to get in the right situation.

God Bless, peace out.

[240 is Back]

The bottom line is that, aside from Lee, five other guys who wouldn't have made a dime in the IFBB made money last Saturday being bodybuilders.  There is no possible argument against that being a good thing.

Romano, you have made a brilliant point here.

I would really like to hear your reaction to this quote:

All true Ron...the voice of reason as usual.

Funny thing is...I'm not so sure that people aren't looking at the bigger picture here.

Is another federation REALLY in the athletes best interest?

Lets consider the fact that there are lass than 30 "names" when you look at the "best of the best"...The tier 1 guys as people like to put it. Much like when we (the NPC) decided to create a SHW class...within a few years, it watered down the heavyweight division, which in turn, made for two mediocre classes as opposed to one strong one....and the depth of the competition has suffered since.

Lets assume for the sake of conversation, that The PDI actually comes to be...and that 1/2 of the top guys decide to compete there...equally divided among talent...Jay in one, Ronnie in another..etc, etc.

Given the fact that IFBB shows don't always pack the house, and the lower purse shows either barely make it, or get nixed....is there enough market to sustain BOTH?

Fans have dictated by their response, that they will suppport the bigger shows with the bigger names competing...they'll pay to see the best there is. What they won't do, is pay to see 1 or 2 great bodybuilders and a bunch of guys that are pretty good, and some they've never heard of.

McMahon thought the world could use another football league, too...had some funky new rules...some jazzy uniforms and cool names for the teams...and some damn good players, not the BEST, but very good by any standards. Same premise...same results. The fans showed little interest and it tanked in record time. Keep in mind, this was done with MILLIONS invested, TV time/ exposure.

The questions remain...are there enough fans out there to support 2 federations?

If there were 2 mediocre federations, would the athletes make MORE money, or quite possibly LESS?

The 25-30 best bodybuilders in the world can only compete in so many shows per year...if they were allowed to compete in both equally, would they compete more often? Could they financially or physically?

Heres some things I have to consider as the Athletes Representative...is it REALLY in the athletes best interests? I have to dig deep and consider ALL relevant issues...not just scratch the surface.

[Yorkie T]

I would like to give a little advice to GEKKO on the Aponte subject. I know this guy. He was born and raised a true “BAD ASS”. We grew up in the same area of N.Y. If he reads this I want him to know right now…I HAVE AND WANT NO BEEF WITH YOU TONY! I know better. Gekko, some free advice... Aponte has been fighting since he was 9yrs old. I fully realized it when I saw him knock out the Golden Gloves Fighter in a Prospect Park club at the age of 17. Yeah sure everyone knows he did a Long prison stint many years ago, I would say almost 7 to 8 yrs. But since he’s been legit he moved to California and then the Northwest. He has some real know how in nutrition and develops real estate. He trained Martinez and now Freeman. Aponte is from the east and that’s why he defends the N.P.C. and probably good friends with This Steve Weinberger guy. Bro these east coast dudes stick together, you should know that. He is out of the gang life because he’s 42 or 43 yrs old by now. But if you look at the tattoos on him and notice he is always with a lot Italian dudes. Get a clue Dude. His family lives in Las Vegas and N.Y. and everyone knows his dad was a heavy dude back home in the Longshoremen's union and passed away 3 to 4 yrs ago. His dad left him a huge inheritance and as a hobby helps a bodybuilder now and then, but I know he doesn’t do something for nothing. I also know that if someone starts with him trust me he hits HARD and has a back ground in Kick Fighting. I’ve seen him with my own eyes do some wild sh*t, so if I was you Gekko I would keep my trap shut and not pick a fight. I say there is nothing wrong with a little chit chatter but lets keep it positive and move forward. Be cool, I’m just giving some advice that you should be glad to get in the right situation.

God Bless, peace out.

Ok cool hes a hard dude but unless you didnt notice this is the internet, so how is that going to deter people from speaking there mind? these people are probably miles and miles away from each other.

Did you make an account just to tell people how tough toney freemans trainer is?

[Ear_to_the_Ground]

Ok cool hes a hard dude but unless you didnt notice this is the internet, so how is that going to deter people from speaking there mind? these people are probably miles and miles away from each other.

Did you make an account just to tell people how tough toney freemans trainer is?

I'm sure they are Miles away from each other but not when they're both at the same competition. I saw a bad situation getting worse so yes I did sign up so I could post my warning. I have no problem with speaking your mind on a forum (after all, that's what I did) but when it becomes personal and threatening there has to be a line drawn in the sand at some point. If these 2 want to go at it that's fine with me, but I speak from personal experience having had my ass kicked by Aponte many years ago, and I grew up in the same neighborhood with the guy. We're friends now but I will never mess with him again. As my screen name implies, I literally bent down to pick up my severed ear off the ground after my tangle with him.

Nuf` said... I'll butt out of this one.

[nycbull]

I would like to give a little advice to GEKKO on the Aponte subject. I know this guy. He was born and raised a true “BAD ASS”. We grew up in the same area of N.Y. If he reads this I want him to know right now…I HAVE AND WANT NO BEEF WITH YOU TONY! I know better. Gekko, some free advice... Aponte has been fighting since he was 9yrs old. I fully realized it when I saw him knock out the Golden Gloves Fighter in a Prospect Park club at the age of 17. Yeah sure everyone knows he did a Long prison stint many years ago, I would say almost 7 to 8 yrs. But since he’s been legit he moved to California and then the Northwest. He has some real know how in nutrition and develops real estate. He trained Martinez and now Freeman. Aponte is from the east and that’s why he defends the N.P.C. and probably good friends with This Steve Weinberger guy. Bro these east coast dudes stick together, you should know that. He is out of the gang life because he’s 42 or 43 yrs old by now. But if you look at the tattoos on him and notice he is always with a lot Italian dudes. Get a clue Dude. His family lives in Las Vegas and N.Y. and everyone knows his dad was a heavy dude back home in the Longshoremen's union and passed away 3 to 4 yrs ago. His dad left him a huge inheritance and as a hobby helps a bodybuilder now and then, but I know he doesn’t do something for nothing. I also know that if someone starts with him trust me he hits HARD and has a back ground in Kick Fighting. I’ve seen him with my own eyes do some wild sh*t, so if I was you Gekko I would keep my trap shut and not pick a fight. I say there is nothing wrong with a little chit chatter but lets keep it positive and move forward. Be cool, I’m just giving some advice that you should be glad to get in the right situation.

God Bless, peace out.

this guy profreeman sounds really cool, Im a NY Italian and we dudes need to stick together. maybe I am on Steve's side now after all. Hey profreeman, where can i get some real Italian food, what happened to Manhattan. I live in Hells Kitchen and all there is f**in Tai and bulshit Asian crap. It sucks man where have all the Italians gone. The food sucks in Manhattan and all these fools come here and pay a fortune for crap absolute crap. stupid anglos. They woudnt' know good food if it was right in front them. What happened to all the good pizza joints. Anyway dude,  hope you stay on the board. We need more Italians here. Too many midwestern nerds who eat skim milk and bolonga sandwiches every day try to fill out a guinea T and think their badasses. haaaaaaaaaaa

[John Romano]

Romano, you have made a brilliant point here.

I would really like to hear your reaction to this quote:

is there enough audience to support both film and TV?  Can an actor in a sit-com go and do a movie and still come back an do TV with out getting fined?  Wayne needs to make the spectacle of the PDI more different than the IFBB.  If his point of difference is wide enough, he will attract the same people that go to IFBB shows because people want to be entertained.

[240 is Back]

is there enough audience to support both film and TV?  Can an actor in a sit-com go and do a movie and still come back an do TV with out getting fined?  Wayne needs to make the spectacle of the PDI more different than the IFBB.  If his point of difference is wide enough, he will attract the same people that go to IFBB shows because people want to be entertained.

market segmentation.  monster niching.  epic application of marketing schema.

[onlyme]

Also that being the case why is it that the presidents of there respected nations for the IFBB are only allowed a yearly tenders unless revoted in !!!

Simple, if someone they appoint do something wrong or not they want, they can be ousted easier.

And is trainer also mean boyfriend in some hidden code way or something

[dearth]

Chick,

this is exactly what you should tell your friend Tamali

You are not built for bodybuilding...and certainly not Pro BB. Go into powerlifting, pro wrestling, or into the circus as a stronman...but don't kid yourself, you have no business on a bodybuilding stage.

[dearth]

I take it english is not your first language

This is for ''insiderxyz''There is always A mutt that acts like a dogg.Listen whats the ''beef ...but this ''insiderxyz'' this board shit but ...Look you have know idea whats up .. or what dragon you might wake UP....
Bro ''WANT SOME'', in jail punks like you when they were tied to the shower and there arm pits were ice picked some of the bad things you see....Think of who you insult and the people you might be messing with.I would really think about these insults or go find whoever you want to beef with and get your faced sliced wide ''OPEN AT BEST''SOUNDS LIKE.MAYBE YOU  you need a lesson, and who knows keep on and you might get that wish.NO THREATS INTENDED JUST THOUGHTS PASSED ALONG.

[onlyme]

I spoke to Steve. George is not telling the truth. Steve did not push anybody nor touch him. Why would Steve push George? It’s a felony in New York to push someone, so go ahead. And Steve said ‘Why would I waste my time with you”.  All Steve did was go to the show, and stayed to himself. Jeez - some of you guys as just too much.

Yea I trust what he would say.  He has numerous times he has started shit at actual NPC and IFBB shows.  Now you are saying "no way he would do that I believe him".  My god Ron, unless you are joking and you know he did it.

[dearth]

The bottom line is that, aside from Lee, five other guys who wouldn't have made a dime in the IFBB made money last Saturday being bodybuilders.  There is no possible argument against that being a good thing.

of course there is an argunment, that is if you are Chick or another ifbb puppet

the PDI "dilutes" the talent pool

[John Romano]

market segmentation.  monster niching.  epic application of marketing schema.

You asked  

[timfogarty]

The IFBB has a life president. There is no way to remove him from his office. Therefore there is no accountability. This is the problem the IFBB has.

that is because the IFBB is not a federation or even an athletic organization, but a privately held company.

[John Romano]

that is because the IFBB is not a federation or even an athletic organization, but a privately held company.

A privately held non-profit corporation.

[CQ]

I would like to give a little advice to GEKKO on the Aponte subject. I know this guy. He was born and raised a true “BAD ASS”. We grew up in the same area of N.Y. If he reads this I want him to know right now…I HAVE AND WANT NO BEEF WITH YOU TONY! I know better. Gekko, some free advice... Aponte has been fighting since he was 9yrs old. I fully realized it when I saw him knock out the Golden Gloves Fighter in a Prospect Park club at the age of 17. Yeah sure everyone knows he did a Long prison stint many years ago, I would say almost 7 to 8 yrs. But since he’s been legit he moved to California and then the Northwest. He has some real know how in nutrition and develops real estate. He trained Martinez and now Freeman. Aponte is from the east and that’s why he defends the N.P.C. and probably good friends with This Steve Weinberger guy. Bro these east coast dudes stick together, you should know that. He is out of the gang life because he’s 42 or 43 yrs old by now. But if you look at the tattoos on him and notice he is always with a lot Italian dudes. Get a clue Dude. His family lives in Las Vegas and N.Y. and everyone knows his dad was a heavy dude back home in the Longshoremen's union and passed away 3 to 4 yrs ago. His dad left him a huge inheritance and as a hobby helps a bodybuilder now and then, but I know he doesn’t do something for nothing. I also know that if someone starts with him trust me he hits HARD and has a back ground in Kick Fighting. I’ve seen him with my own eyes do some wild sh*t, so if I was you Gekko I would keep my trap shut and not pick a fight. I say there is nothing wrong with a little chit chatter but lets keep it positive and move forward. Be cool, I’m just giving some advice that you should be glad to get in the right situation.

God Bless, peace out.

Interesting post.

I do not doubt he is tough, but I found it weird he posted a threatening comment to me in another thread, when all I said was why he is using Toney's handle. For one, I hardly think that is some big instigatory comment that I desrved to be threatened for. It was a simple question. Also, since he is so tough and all, I would assume he could pick a more worthy opponent than myself. My massive 5ft 4" 130lb frame is hardly a big challenge to overcome. Granted I once went to a self defence seminar for women, and my nails are pretty long so maybe I could squeeze in a little facial scratch or something, but it would not really take a tough guy to beat me. I would assume most guys could beat me. I might be able to take Chad Mower though

[profreeman]

'let me clear this up 'first THE REASON WHY IM USING PRO FREEMANS HANDLE BECAUSE IT IS LOCKED IN MY P.C.That answer that.2nd I don't have a handle because I'm not really on boards except,
To see progress of other Bodybuilders so the ones I choose to consult with,I know what advice and nutrition programs can be made for so they can improve using the proper programs for the person.
These are two programs together.3rd like I said have no beef with anyone but if someone is gonna insult or
Threat  I'm gonna bring it right to there face.The handles ''gatrainer AND Gordon gecko have any beef or ,
Whatever I welcome that.. I'm easy to find .I'm not trying to threaten or this or that.''Keeping it real''
The 4th is 'if anyone does not want to compete in the .NP.C or Ifbb no one forces them.I think this is such
Shit..I know ''Weinberger''I doubt he hit anyone..if he did you would still hear it two days later.I also think
it is totally disrespectful to talk about the 'number two guy in the league'.Steve is kool''and a up front guy
''People you gotta respect that.I wasn't at the PDI SHOW so I don't know anything about that.I know if
I'm around and this so called tough guy touches ''Weinberger''all I pray that I'm there that day.THE JERK,
WHO SAYS HE WOULD LIKE TO SMACK STEVE...LOL.LOL now thats funny.I wish you guys would keep it real.I'm also not trying to deter anyone ...from anything either so don't get shit ''twisted''Im saying my peace and responding to bullshit insults and threats.The league is a private owned deal thats right .The way to see it this is there must always be a leader and-J.M is it .Look at all the positive things..don't see
Any ..then go somewhere else,this is a tough sport its not for everyone.Stop winding .Only the very best
Do well in this .Well then get better and be the best or try to beat the best... or just shut the f'-ck up.I'm
Old school 'yea right 'Italian,LATIN-EST'F-CKN CST.I'm coming home to NY...I just suffered a terrible loss.
My sis passed .''YO N.yCBULL''you got go out to long island or jersey for good pizza.Now  this is''EAR TO THE GROUND''I know who this is.I never got to say''sorry about your ear.Dogg if you ever need
Or already have a hearing aid or its costing you money,you know how to get hold of me ..send me the bills.
I'm sorry about that whole deal, glad you made it to the hospital in time. TAKE CARE  KEEP IT EAST COAST , GOD BLESS MY SIS ...My heart bleeds for you sis ''Rest in Peace''Im out The Trainer.

[hangclean]

'let me clear this up 'first THE REASON WHY IM USING PRO FREEMANS HANDLE BECAUSE IT IS LOCKED IN MY P.C.That answer that.2nd I don't have a handle because I'm not really on boards except,
To see progress of other Bodybuilders so the ones I choose to consult with,I know what advice and nutrition programs can be made for so they can improve using the proper programs for the person.
These are two programs together.3rd like I said have no beef with anyone but if someone is gonna insult or
Threat  I'm gonna bring it right to there face.The handles ''gatrainer AND Gordon gecko have any beef or ,
Whatever I welcome that.. I'm easy to find .I'm not trying to threaten or this or that.''Keeping it real''
The 4th is 'if anyone does not want to compete in the .NP.C or Ifbb no one forces them.I think this is such
Shit..I know ''Weinberger''I doubt he hit anyone..if he did you would still hear it two days later.I also think
it is totally disrespectful to talk about the 'number two guy in the league'.Steve is kool''and a up front guy
''People you gotta respect that.I wasn't at the PDI SHOW so I don't know anything about that.I know if
I'm around and this so called tough guy touches ''Weinberger''all I pray that I'm there that day.THE JERK,
WHO SAYS HE WOULD LIKE TO SMACK STEVE...LOL.LOL now thats funny.I wish you guys would keep it real.I'm also not trying to deter anyone ...from anything either so don't get shit ''twisted''Im saying my peace and responding to bullshit insults and threats.The league is a private owned deal thats right .The way to see it this is there must always be a leader and-J.M is it .Look at all the positive things..don't see
Any ..then go somewhere else,this is a tough sport its not for everyone.Stop winding .Only the very best
Do well in this .Well then get better and be the best or try to beat the best... or just shut the f'-ck up.I'm
Old school 'yea right 'Italian,LATIN-EST'F-CKN CST.I'm coming home to NY...I just suffered a terrible loss.
My sis passed .''YO N.yCBULL''you got go out to long island or jersey for good pizza.Now  this is''EAR TO THE GROUND''I know who this is.I never got to say''sorry about your ear.Dogg if you ever need
Or already have a hearing aid or its costing you money,you know how to get hold of me ..send me the bills.
I'm sorry about that whole deal, glad you made it to the hospital in time. TAKE CARE  KEEP IT EAST COAST , GOD BLESS MY SIS ...My heart bleeds for you sis ''Rest in Peace''Im out The Trainer.

Look at yourself.

[profreeman]

I was waiting to tell you'''F-CK OFF 

[profreeman]

Hey bye the way...IF YOU CANT F-CK N HEAR ME I CAN FIX YOUR FUCKING ''EAR AS WELL''  The Trainer