Strength Without Results

[The True Adonis]

Friction is the force that opposes the motion of an object. It acts against the movement of an object and is equal in strength to the force applied to the object. When using free weights the concept of Friction really does not come into play because the only thing touching the weight is your hand (which is not supposed to move on the bar) and air. The only friction that is applicable when using free weights is Static Friction. Static friction is the frictional force which acts in opposition to the initial movement of an object (in this case a weight) from its resting position. If the force that you apply is not greater than the value of the static friction, the weight will not move. Static friction opposes the start of motion, thus if you are not strong enough to move the weight, it will not move.

    The other type of friction involved when using weightlifting machines is Kinetic Friction. Kinetic Friction is the frictional force that opposes the motion of an object and acts to slow it down when no other outside forces are being applied to propel it. In order to keep your weight moving at a constant velocity (Nobody lifts in jerky movements!) you must apply an equal force but opposite in direction of the force friction.   

      The force of Static Friction is greater than Kinetic Friction. That is why it is easier to continue pushing an object once it is already moving than it is to initially get the object going. The frictional force can be calculated by multiplying the coefficient of friction (a constant) by the normal force. The normal force is equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to the force of weight.   

 

Ff = uFN

Force friction = coefficient of friction x Force normal

    The coefficient of friction is a constant, but is different for every material. You must apply a large force over the force friction to get the object moving. If your force applied is not larger than the force friction, the object will not move. 

    Friction plays a key role in weightlifting machines. You will notice that sometime weightlifters cannot even pull a bar down that is on a system of pulleys? Are they not strong enough? No. Sometime it is actually the friction between the plastic coated wires and the pulleys. Thus, it is always important to keep your machines lubricated. A lubrication is a substance that reduces friction, heat, and wear as a film between solid surfaces. Failure to do so will create difficulty for the weightlifter!

[The True Adonis]

Energy by definition is actually "the ability to produce a change in itself or its surroundings" What does this mean? It is the effect of doing work. When you lift a barbell, you give the barbell a certain property. If you drop the barbell, it can do work; it could exert a force that would crush your toes. Say you were running while carrying a 45 lb plate. If you drop this plate or roll it, you have given it an opportunity to exert a force. You have given these objects energy.

    By doing work on a barbell or machine, you have transferred energy from your body to the object. That is why we say work is the transfer of energy by mechanical means. There are two main types of energy, potential and kinetic. Keep reading below to discover how each energy affects weightlifting.

Potential Energy:

  An weightlifting object can store energy as the result of its position. When you are locked out at the top of a bench press, the bar has has stored energy. The stored energy is what we call Potential Energy. Likewise, when you pull down a bar on the lat pull down machine and hold it, you have given it potential energy.

   There are two types of potential energy, gravitational and elastic. We will deal with only gravitational though, as elastic concerns elastic materials which are only present in plyometric training. Gravitational energy is the stored energy of an object due to its height or vertical position. This energy is stored as a result of the constant gravitational attraction to the earth. (9.8m/s^2). The amount of this type of potential energy is dependent on two factors--the mass of the object and its height that it is raised to. More massive objects have a greater gravitational potential energy. Also, the higher an object is the more gravitational potential energy it has. We can express that potential energy is equal to:

PE (in joules) = mass * gravity * height

PE=mgh

Mass represents the mass of the object, gravity as 9.8m/s^2, and height as the distance where the object is above the ground.

   In order to determine the gravitational potential energy, you must first designate a zero height or reference level. This height is where the object is first at rest. Your zero height is where your barbell, dumbbell, or weight is first located an initial position. Dealing with the bench press and squat, the zero height would be where the bar rests on the rack initially.

Scenario:

A female bodybuilder decides to squat 355 lbs (161.36 kg). She rests the rack 2 m above the ground. How much potential energy does the bar have?

Answer:

Since the object is at rest, it has potential energy. PE = mgh. So, PE = (161.36 kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(2 m). The bar has 3162.73 J of potential energy.

Kinetic Energy:

  An object that has motion has kinetic energy. The tricep bar that you push down has kinetic energy. The 35 lb dumbbell you curl has kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is defined as "is the amount of energy that a moving object possesses." The value of kinetic energy depends on two variables--the mass of the object and the velocity of the object. We express kinetic energy as:

KE= 1/2 * mass * velocity^2

KE, like all forms of energy, is measured in joules

   Looking at the equation, you can tell that a 45 lb barbell has more kinetic energy than a 15 lb dumbbell, assuming their velocities are equal. But how can you get equal amounts of kinetic energy when masses are different? Simply increase the velocity of the smaller object. But how do you increase the velocity of the dumbbell? You must exert a larger force. To do this, we must see how work is equal to kinetic energy.

   Newton's second law shows the relationship between performing work and kinetic energy. According to Newton's second law, F= ma, an object is accelerated with a sure constant acceleration if a net force is exerted on it (must be constant.) We know that work is equal to Fd. If we assume that the initial velocity of this dumbbell was zero, we can find the relationship between work and kinetic energy.

Using the equation, vf^2=vi^2 +2ad we can find the relationship:

If vi=0, than the equation collapses to v^2=2ad, or d=v^2/2a

Work is then equal to mad. (F=ma)

Work then translates to = ma(v^2/2a)

                                    = 1/2 mv^2

Work done on is equal to the kinetic energy gained by the dumbbell.

   But not all objects start at rest. Therefore, they already have kinetic energy. If an object already has KE, then work would be equal to the change in kinetic energies.

Wnet = KE final - KE initial

   This equation is called the work-energy theorem. It states that "the net work done on an object is equal to its change in kinetic energy." This equation indicated that if the work done on an object is positive, the kinetic energy increases. Work is positive when it is performed in the same direction of the object. So if you apply a 10 N force to a barbell upwards during a preacher curl, your kinetic energy will increase because the directions are the same. If the net work done is negative, the kinetic energy decreases.

Scenario:

A man deadlifts 486 lbs (220.91 kg) with a final velocity of 3 m/s. If the barbell was initially at rest determine the amount of  kinetic energy.

Answer:

KE= 1/2mv^2. V is equal to Vf-Vi. So to solve this problem you just plug in all the components. KE= 1/2(220.91kg)(3 m/s-0m/s), which equals 331.37 Joules

[The True Adonis]

When you walk into a gym there are two main types of weightlifting machines. Free weights, which have no help from machines to assist you and weightlifting machines, such as Nautilus, Cybex, and Hammer Strength which control the motion of your lift. Machines are used primarily by novices and elderly as well as those who are trying to work a specific muscle very strongly. Machines help ease the constant load of the weight, thus making it seem easier to lift a certain weight for a certain exercise.

                                 

               Free weights                                                  Machines

(http://www.deltafit.com/images/barbell.jpg)         ( http://www.pro-fitness.com/latpulldown.htm)

   There are both advantages and disadvantages to both styles of weightlifting. Free weights work better if you are trying to bulk up on muscle quickly since your muscles are under a constant load of weight. Your muscles have to work to move the weight from its resting position and they also have to work to bring it back. There is no help except if you cheat, as do most weightlifters. By cheating, you are using other insignificant muscles to help lift the weight, thus removing the constant load away from the muscles that are supposed to be worked.

   Weightlifting machines actually take pressure off of your muscles because you can spread the load over a larger muscle group. If you are a novice weightlifter it is smart to initially use the weightlifting machines so that you do not pull a muscle or seriously injure yourself by mishandling a free weight or using improper technique to do a lift. Weightlifting machines are also useful to perform exercises that can not be done using free weights, such as the Ground Base Jammer, which is a favorite amongst football players. This machines helps build the pectoral and shoulder muscles, a must for lineman and blockers.

     

Ground Base Jammer

(http://www.fitness-design.com/lf_gb_jammer.htm)

   A machine is a device that transfers a force letting us do Work with less effort. When you use a weightlifting machine you are applying a force to that machine in order to move the apparatus. There is also a force being exerted by the machine. A person can often times lift more weight using a weightlifting machine as opposed to free weights because of the machines Actual Mechanical Advantage. Every machine has a different Actual Mechanical Advantage. Actual Mechanical Advantage is calculated by dividing the amount of force produced by the machine by the amount of force you have to apply to the machine.

 

AMA = Fresistance / Feffort

    In other words mechanical advantage can be found by dividing the weight of the object being lifted (Force weight = mass x acceleration) by the amount of force that you have to apply to lift it. The Actual Mechanical Advantage of a machine is calculated taking into account the resistance force of friction.

   If a weightlifting machine is an Ideal machine, the amount of work put into lifting the weight is equal to the amount of work done by the machine because there is no friction. Unfortunately, because there is always someamount of friction existing when two objects rub together, ideal machines exist nowhere but in theory. There is a formula to calculate the Ideal Mechanical Advantage of a machine (ignoring frictional forces).

 

IMA = d effort / d resistance

    Which means that you can calculate the Ideal Mechanical Advantage of a machine by dividing the distance you have to apply the force for by the distance the resistance moved.

   All machines have a certain level of Efficiency which is equal to the amount of Work produced by the machine divided by the amount of Work that you have to put into the machine.

  Efficiency = Wout / Win

    Some examples of simple machines that help you to do Work while weightlifting are levers, wheel & axle, pulleys, and incline planes. Most weightlifting machines (especially novice machines such as Cybex) use pulleys to decrease the amount of effort you have to put in to raise a certain weight. When using pulleys, the IMA can be found by adding the number of strings that the weight is hanging from and that are supporting the weight!

   For example, if the weight is hanging from two cords the IMA = 2:1 which means that you only have to apply half the amount of force that you are trying to lift. If you were lifting a 100 lb weight using a machine that had 2 cords attached to the weight you would actually only feel the effect of lifting a 50 lb weight.

   There are some machines in which there is only the use of one pulley and two cords, but a majority of the weightlifting machines today use many pulleys and cords as well as different angles. By having a wide variety of angles and pulleys, the user can see for himself which position is more comfortable and which load feels best.

 An example of a machine with many pulleys. Some machines have as many as 12 pulleys for one exercise!

(http://www.pro-fitness.com/cablecross.htm)

   

 

 

 

    However, with the use of machines comes another force. That force is the force of tension. Tension arises from the use of ropes or cables to carry a force. (In this case, tension forms in the cables that a weightlifter uses in machines such as cable crossovers, pushdowns, etc.) When a lifter applies a force to the bar to pull the weight down, he is not directly applying a force to the weight stack. Instead, he is exerting a force on the cable which transmits that force onto the load of weight. The force experienced by the weight stack from the cable is called the tension force.



   However, in an ideal world these cables would have no mass, perfectly transmitting the force applied to the stack of weight. If the cable was in fact massless, it would always experience two opposite but equal tension forces.

   Because most machines uses pulleys, we must address the following issue.

Pulleys do not change the magnitude of the force of the cable. They only change the direction!

    We will assume that our cables are massless. From the figure below you can see that the pulley changes the direction. Notice the forces of -T and T. When a cable is used in a pulley, the cable must still experience two opposite but equal forces. It may look like it is experiencing the forces in the same direction, but with the pulley it makes it possible. The pulley changes the direction of the force. When analyzing a pulley situation with a force tension, you must look at the shape of the rope to determine direction. The positive direction of the rope is pointing upward on the left side and pointing downward on the right side. Now you can see that the rope does actually experience two equal but opposite forces.

[natural al]

TA, may I congratulate you on your nonchalant sidestepping of Natural Als hamfisted attempt to spike you

Deft, most deft

may I congratulate you on trying to point out something that was not there?  I looked waaaay to far ahead......I was thinking how would someone figure out the best mechanical positioning to perform a certain movement and how complicated the actual equation would be which I think has been proved by all the posts above, plus your not even factoring Kinseology into it at this point....when you get down to it I never even said I really knew alot about physics, I've taken 2 classes but the classes that I took were a little to geeky for me, I've never used anything I learned at work in those classes and I'm an engineer...what do you do?  Arent' you sitting in prison or something?



You really can be a first class prick ya'know that?  Really, what do you add to the board besides being an asshole?

[Woten]

may I congratulate you on trying to point out something that was not there?  I looked waaaay to far ahead......

You really can be a first class prick ya'know that?  Really, what do you add to the board besides being an asshole?

Aw, raw nerve dookums?

LOL, cheers for picking up on my ickle post, and thusly giving your game away

TA has fucking destroyed you here, you knew all too well that he would, hence your attempt at a decidedly 'subtle' spiking of TA, a subtle approach that reveals nothing other than your complete lack of self belief

you are pathetic, a tiny tits par excellance

Now get back in your box, you ham fisted, foolish cuntbox

[natural al]

Aw, raw nerve dookums?

LOL, cheers for picking up on my ickle post, and thusly giving your game away

TA has fucking destroyed you here, you knew all too well that he would, hence your attempt at a decidedly 'subtle' spiking of TA, a subtle approach that reveals nothing other than your complete lack of belief in your abilities

you are pathetic, a tiny tits par excellance

Now get back in your box, you ham fisted, foolish cuntbox

no, I don't think so....aren't you rotting away in prison?  I could get out my physics book and start copying equations down too...but I'm working.

You're pathetic...but it really doesn't matter you'll be banned again in about 2 weeks so in the meantime fuck off and die, and while your banned fuck off and die....

you're a worthless piece of shit...nothing more than a toadie and a lapdog for TA, must be fun having to rim him on a daily basis you freakin tranny loving homo......

[Woten]

no, I don't think so....aren't you rotting away in prison?  I could get out my physics book and start copying equations down too...but I'm working.

You're pathetic...but it really doesn't matter you'll be banned again in about 2 weeks so in the meantime f**k off and die, and while your banned f**k off and die....

you're a worthless piece of shit...nothing more than a toadie and a lapdog for TA, must be fun having to rim him on a daily basis you freakin tranny loving homo......

Hahahahahaha, and so there it is, in its full glory

God I'm good, you sad little fruit

Several pages with no result, what a shit effort on your part, lol, lamer

[natural al]

Hahahahahaha, and so there it is, in its full glory

God I'm good, you sad little fruit

Several pages with no result, what a shit effort on your part, lol, lamer

you're dellusional, first I never ever said I knew the equations, second you haven't added shit.  You've probably never even taken a physics class....you talk like you know so much but you don't know jack shit....

What do you do for a living???

You're entire existance has been a shit effort hahahahahahahahahahahaha ...must be nice having to reregister here every few months cause you get your worthless ass banned every few weeks.

YOu suck.

[Woten]

you're dellusional, first I never ever said I knew the equations, second you haven't added shit.  You've probably never even taken a physics class....you talk like you know so much but you don't know jack shit....

What do you do for a living???

You're entire existance has been a shit effort hahahahahahahahahahahaha ...must be nice having to reregister here every few months cause you get your worthless ass banned every few weeks.

YOu suck.

meltdown

[natural al]

meltdown

not quite, just telling the truth, fact of the matter is I could probably get you banned right now, I know your throwing your rascist shit around here already......

must suck to sit in time out for months at a time with nothing else to do, doesn't it jailbird? 

[Woten]

not quite, just telling the truth, fact of the matter is I could probably get you banned right now, I know your throwing your rascist shit around here already......

must suck to sit in time out for months at a time with nothing else to do, doesn't it jailbird? 

so, what have we thus far? a none too subtle attempted ensnarement, a barage of crazy none too focused insults, eratic typing, all hallmarks of the low calibre fuckwit

LOL, I bet you are sitting there, sat in piss, chewing your nails, hating moi.. king woten, the majestic figure that has blown apart your attempt to hang TA out to dry, you snidy little shitbag

You are on thin ice, sonny

[natural al]

so, what have we thus far? a none too subtle attempted ensnarement, a barage of crazy none too focused insults, eratic typing, all hallmarks of the low calibre fuckwit

LOL, I bet you are sitting there, sat in piss, chewing your nails, hating moi.. king woten, the majestic figure that has blown apart your attempt to hang TA out to dry, you snidy little shitbag

You are on thin ice, sonny

when did I attempt to hang him out to dry?  You're a complete idiot, no sense at all.  No eratic typing, don't know what your talking about, I'm busy doing other things not sitting in prison like you with nothing else to do.

I'm on thin ice?  c'mon, you gotta be kidding me.  From you?  C'mon, you got nothing but moronic posts and a few little buddies on here....maybe this weekend I'll go through your posts and send a few of them to Ron and see if I can get your sorry ass kicked off for a few more weeks...mabye not, who knows?  It's not like your little pussy ass means anything to me....you're a guy with nothing to do but sit in his cell and rip on people, must be nice.

Piece of trash.

[Woten]

when did I attempt to hang him out to dry?  You're a complete idiot, no sense at all.  No eratic typing, don't know what your talking about, I'm busy doing other things not sitting in prison like you with nothing else to do.

I'm on thin ice?  c'mon, you gotta be kidding me.  From you?  C'mon, you got nothing but moronic posts and a few little buddies on here....maybe this weekend I'll go through your posts and send a few of them to Ron and see if I can get your sorry ass kicked off for a few more weeks...mabye not, who knows?  It's not like your little pussy ass means anything to me....you're a guy with nothing to do but sit in his cell and rip on people, must be nice.

Piece of trash.

epic self ownage

[natural al]

epic self ownage

epic inmate with nothing better to do with his life.  Go check out some trannies, piece of trash.

[onlyme]

I had a saying painted in my gym I put up that said

"It's not the weight you lift, but the gravity you conquer"

[Woten]

epic inmate with nothing better to do with his life.  Go check out some trannies, piece of trash.

nothing wrong with a hot tranny

Now, shouldnt you be running along to yaroni? you inadequate scumbag

[natural al]

nothing wrong with a hot tranny

Now, shouldnt you be running along to yaroni? you inadequate scumbag

nope not going anywhere until 4 o'clock...

shouldn't you be getting ready for "chowtime"?  Then off to the community shower for you....nice life...and you say I'm inadequate, what have you contributed to society?  zip.  That's what, now go make your bed before a guard kicks your ass.

[Woten]

nope not going anywhere until 4 o'clock...

shouldn't you be getting ready for "chowtime"?  Then off to the community shower for you....nice life...and you say I'm inadequate, what have you contributed to society?  zip.  That's what, now go make your bed before a guard kicks your ass.

Be your own fuckin man for God's sake, not a sheep

TA, shepards cocksockets like you on a daily basis

You are not, and will never amount to anything, you are too busy trying to pull down the achievements of those with talent

Sad little clown

[natural al]

Be your own fuckin man for God's sake, not a sheep

TA, shepards cocksockets like you on a daily basis

You are not, and will never amount to anything, you are too busy trying to pull down the achievements of those with talent

Sad little clown

awwww, what's a matter woten, you melting down over there.

You're a sheep and a toadie, face it, adams your sheppard.  For all your elitism, your nothing more than a sheep.  At least the other guys are a llittle slow so I understand them but you think your smart that's what makes it worse.

here, repeat after me sheep:  bahhhhh, bahhhhhhh, bahhhhhh

now get ready cause adam will want his balls sucked on for a few hours and your next in line....

toadie, sheep, lapdog.....pick one, they all apply.

[The True Adonis]

so, what have we thus far? a none too subtle attempted ensnarement, a barage of crazy none too focused insults, eratic typing, all hallmarks of the low calibre fuckwit

LOL, I bet you are sitting there, sat in piss, chewing your nails, hating moi.. king woten, the majestic figure that has blown apart your attempt to hang TA out to dry, you snidy little shitbag

You are on thin ice, sonny

Exemplary Articulation Demonstrated by a Full Crescendo of Heightened Reverie.  Ahhh, such Sweet,Symphonic Bliss emanates from this melody. If Wagner`s Ride of the Valkyries was broken into word format, Woten`s posts would be the literary equivalent.

[natural al]

Exemplary Articulation Demonstrated by a Full Crescendo of Heightened Reverie.  Ahhh, such Sweet,Symphonic Bliss emanates from this melody. If Wagner`s Ride of the Valkyries was broken into word format, Woten`s posts would be the literary equivalent.

he's still a lapdog...nothing againts you, must be nice having these drones at your beck and call.  It's just a shame to thinkk that grown men let another dude lead them around by a leash.  Pathetic.

[natural al]

Be your own fuckin man for God's sake, not a sheep

TA, shepards cocksockets like you on a daily basis

You are not, and will never amount to anything, you are too busy trying to pull down the achievements of those with talent

Sad little clown

woten, I'll go out on a limb and say I've accomplished more in the last 5 years of my life than you have in yours.  What do you do for a living?  Oh, that's right..inmate.   I work as have a nice desk job.  Whrere's your house?  Oh, that's right you live in a cell.  I live in a nice house and own two cars.  Now go make my next liscense plate, loser.

[Woten]

he's still a lapdog...nothing againts you, must be nice having these drones at your beck and call.  It's just a shame to thinkk that grown men let another dude lead them around by a leash.  Pathetic.

Jesus, still attempting to claw some dignity out of your current position eh? you are pathetic

As has been established, you have everything against TA, everything. Your little scam was revealed for the snidy poorly planned affair that it was, you, sonny jim, were caught wanking in the pantry at 3am with your cock - and indeed balls - planted firmly in the jam jar, shame on you.. especially in light of your above appeal re: 'I have nothing against you TA', weak, so very weak

Also, as per you nonsense attack, I am not a mere drone, I am simply a gentleman, a pure bred lord of the manner who could not - and indeed did not - sit idly by as such an uncouth individual (such as yourself) engaged in scurrilous, low, ungentlemanly conduct, shameless infact

It was my goal to reveal you as the backstabbing, snidy (and indeed clumsy) little bastard that you are, a goal that has undeniably been accomplished (accomplished in part thanks to your desire to reveal to the world just how much of a dirty specimen you are, and for that, we thank you!)

woten, I'll go out on a limb and say I've accomplished more in the last 5 years of my life than you have in yours.  What do you do for a living?  Oh, that's right..inmate.   I work as have a nice desk job.  Whrere's your house?  Oh, that's right you live in a cell.  I live in a nice house and own two cars.  Now go make my next liscense plate, loser.

As has been covered here many times, my life is rather cosy, I live in retired bliss on the south coast of England, a life that has been crafted by my very own fair hands

I do not - nor do I have to - work, I am very well off

I was involved with several of the largest supplement companies in Europe, two of them now having multi million turnovers, and prior to this, in the early 90's, was one of the first to bring creatine to the European markets, yes, I couldnt fucking move for money during this time, sorry if this isnt as per your weak script above, but then again, when ad hominem is all you have... its all you have, eh?

In short, I piss all over you, piss all over you weak subterfuge, and piss all over your life, oh and, I also keep an eye out for decent folks, folks throughly undeserving of such conduct as that which you have been so fucking eager to bring to the table in this thread

as said, you are a scurrilous piece of work

Now, be gone, you heel!

[The True Adonis]

Jesus, still attempting to claw some dignity out of your current position eh? you are pathetic

As has been established, you have everything against TA, everything. Your little scam was revealed for the snidy poorly planned affair that it was, you, sonny jim, were caught wanking in the pantry at 3am with your cock - and indeed balls - planted firmly in the jam jar, shame on you.. especially in light of your above appeal re: 'I have nothing against you TA', weak, so very weak

Also, as per you nonsense attack, I am not a mere drone, I am simply a gentleman, a pure bred lord of the manner who could not - and indeed did not - sit idly by as such an uncouth individual (such as yourself) engaged in scurrilous, low, ungentlemanly conduct, shameless infact

It was my goal to reveal you as the backstabbing, snidy (and indeed clumsy) little bastard that you are, a goal that has undeniably been accomplished (accomplished in part thanks to your desire to reveal to the world just how much of a dirty specimen you are, and for that, we thank you!)

As has been covered here many times, my life is rather cosy, I live in retired bliss on the south coast of England, a life that has been crafted by my very own fair hands

I do not - nor do I have to - work, I am very well off

I was involved with several of the largest supplement companies in Europe, two of them now having multi million turnovers, and prior to this, in the early 90's, was one of the first to bring creatine to the European markets, yes, I couldnt fucking move for money during this time, sorry if this isnt as per your weak script above, but then again, when ad hominem is all you have... its all you have, eh?

In short, I piss all over you, piss all over you weak subterfuge, and piss all over your life, oh and, I also keep an eye out for decent folks, folks throughly undeserving of such conduct as that which you have been so fucking eager to bring to the table in this thread

as said, you are a scurrilous piece of work

Now, be gone, you heel!

Lord Byron and William Blake are smiling in amazment.  Woten, can I have it on good oath, that if unforseen and unfortunate circumstances befall you and such that, you  expire pre-maturely from your lush, baronic empire in Southern England, would it be a dis-service to have your remains glorified in greatness and with the dignity you so dearly deserve by being placed,albeit , where they surely belong in The Poets' Corner" of the famous Père Lachaise.

I am sure I can muster up the currency to honor you as such...Would you give me that honor?

[natural al]

Jesus, still attempting to claw some dignity out of your current position eh? you are pathetic

As has been established, you have everything against TA, everything. Your little scam was revealed for the snidy poorly planned affair that it was, you, sonny jim, were caught wanking in the pantry at 3am with your cock - and indeed balls - planted firmly in the jam jar, shame on you.. especially in light of your above appeal re: 'I have nothing against you TA', weak, so very weak

Also, as per you nonsense attack, I am not a mere drone, I am simply a gentleman, a pure bred lord of the manner who could not - and indeed did not - sit idly by as such an uncouth individual (such as yourself) engaged in scurrilous, low, ungentlemanly conduct, shameless infact

It was my goal to reveal you as the backstabbing, snidy (and indeed clumsy) little bastard that you are, a goal that has undeniably been accomplished (accomplished in part thanks to your desire to reveal to the world just how much of a dirty specimen you are, and for that, we thank you!)

As has been covered here many times, my life is rather cosy, I live in retired bliss on the south coast of England, a life that has been crafted by my very own fair hands

I do not - nor do I have to - work, I am very well off

I was involved with several of the largest supplement companies in Europe, two of them now having multi million turnovers, and prior to this, in the early 90's, was one of the first to bring creatine to the European markets, yes, I couldnt fucking move for money during this time, sorry if this isnt as per your weak script above, but then again, when ad hominem is all you have... its all you have, eh?

In short, I piss all over you, piss all over you weak subterfuge, and piss all over your life, oh and, I also keep an eye out for decent folks, folks throughly undeserving of such conduct as that which you have been so fucking eager to bring to the table in this thread

as said, you are a scurrilous piece of work

Now, be gone, you heel!

boy, I must have really hit a nerve, eh?  I don't even need to read your long winded, moronic drivel.  It's the same shit out of your mouth all the time.  You're smarter than everyone else...blah, blah, fucking blah.

first off, I don't know where you get I attacked adam in this thread, I did nothing of the sort.  You're feeling you have to stick up for him by attacking me speaks volumes off who you are and what your agenda is.  Wether you admit it or not your a first class, not bones about it lapdog.  Adonis leads you around by a leash, plain and simple.  This is the position you have assumed on this site, wether you like it or not.

I caught one thing from your long winded rant.  You don't have to work cause your so well off.  Right.  You're so well off you get banned from this site all the time and keep on coming back?  You can't post on any other board cause they'd ban your ass quicker than you can make a liscence plate.  Without this place to type up your moronic racial attacks you'd dry up and blow away.

You mean nothing to me.  Plain and simple.  deal with it slick.  You have nothing in life, obviously you have nothing better to do with yourself than start petty arguements.  Sad life you got there pal.

Now go on with your pathetic existance, wait for adonis to say jump so you can ask how high.  Maybe he'll pat you on the head.  Hell, maybe he'll even give you a "bone" for your efforts as petty as they are.

You've proven nothing to me except that you're a toady and a lapdog, everybody knows it, I just had the balls to say it.

Now sit down woten before I go roll up a newspaper and spank your nose, you little tiny titted toady.