Adonis= World Class powerlifter??

[The True Adonis]

you didn't give enough information.

So a 400 lbs Sumo Wrestler bencing 365 is stronger than a 140 lb person benching 285?


What more do you need?

[danielson]

So a 400 lbs Sumo Wrestler bencing 365 is stronger than a 140 lb person benching 285?


What more do you need?

for a start, squat and DL numbers might help.

[voiceofreason]

Is he stronger?

Yes, the definition of strength makes no mention of it being relative to size.  Pound for pound is a different story, but who gives a shit.

[The True Adonis]

for a start, squat and DL numbers might help.

So a 400 lbs Sumo Wrestler benhcing 365
Squat 400     
Deadlift 450


is stronger than a 140 lb person benching 285?
                         Squat 385
                            Deadlift 385

[knny187]

goodtimes with the lizard

[danielson]

So a 400 lbs Sumo Wrestler benhcing 365
Squat 400     
Deadlift 450


is stronger than a 140 lb person benching 285?
                         Squat 385
                            Deadlift 385

He can lift more.

[The True Adonis]

Yes, the definition of strength makes no mention of it being relative to size.  Pound for pound is a different story, but who gives a shit.

Of course it does.

If the Sumo Wrestler were to lose all fat and get equally as ripped as the 140 lb man, you would quickly see that his power to weight would also adjust accordingly.

He would not even be close to performing these lifts if he dieted down due to many reasons.  Such as the distance for lifts will increase and leverage and angles will be totally different.  He would have to adjust to a new mechanical arc.  

His center of gravity will be different.   A 60 inch plus waist is a good base, a 30 inch waist is not even comparable.

Think of a column.  A skinny column of the same height cannot support the amount of weight displaced as a wider column.

[ieffinhatecardio]

One person bench presses 405, squats 495 and deadlifts 450 another person bench presses 315, squats 365 and deadlifts 335, who is stronger?

[natural al]

THE ONLY reason TA is making this arguement is because it benefits him at this point and time.  6 months ago if I would have said I was DLing 455 for 6 a few years ago he would have said I was weak even though I only weighed about 175-180..I still would have been weak to him, his perspective and opinions change at the drop of a dime to suit his current needs. 

[The True Adonis]

One person bench presses 405, squats 495 and deadlifts 450 another person bench presses 315, squats 365 and deadlifts 335, who is stronger?

The person performing the most work.  Depends on distance and time also.

[The True Adonis]

THE ONLY reason TA is making this arguement is because it benefits him at this point and time.  6 months ago if I would have said I was DLing 455 for 6 a few years ago he would have said I was weak even though I only weighed about 175-180..I still would have been weak to him, his perspective and opinions change at the drop of a dime to suit his current needs. 

Not at all.

I always said that I was deadlifting 600 near 240 lbs which is not great at all.

[natural al]

The person performing the most work.  Depends on distance and time also.

power factor training?

[ieffinhatecardio]

The person performing the most work.  Depends on distance and time also.

Does anyone else not understand this answer?

One person lifts more weight than another person then the person that lifts more is stronger. Why is something so simple being skewed so much?

Isn't absolute strength the point? Since when was pound for pound strength the basis for who is the strongest?

[The True Adonis]

power factor training?

W = F x d
order to calculate the work that has gone into lifting your weights, you must first know how to calculate force. The force applied to an object is equal to the mass of the object times the objects acceleration.

Fa = m x  a

    

    You might be thinking 'well that sounds simple, all I do to calculate work is multiply the distance I lifted the weight by the force that I had to apply to it'. There is however one very important condition.

 For work to be done on an object, the force has to be in the same direction as the object's movement!  

    Weights are not always lifted in perpendicular or parallel lines to the floor, sometimes weightlifting involves tricky things called angles. If your weightlifting exercise involves angles, such as the 45 degree leg press, in order to properly calculate the amount of work you do on the weight, you have to visualize a triangle and split up the distance into both vertical and horizontal parts by using the following set of equations:

[The True Adonis]

By definition, Power is the amount of work that is performed in a certain amount of time.

P = W / t

While a bulky weightlifting may look as if he is more powerful than woman lifting lighter weight, the woman may have more power. If each weightlifter was doing the same amount of work, but in shorter amounts of time, they would have different amounts of power.
Scenario 1:

A man is bench presses 225 lbs (102.27 kg), 10 times in 1 minute in a distance of 0.5 m Another man bench presses 225 lbs, but 10 times in 10 seconds also in a distance of 0.5 m Who has more power?

Answer:

    Both men do the same amount of work but in different times. They each do1002.27 J of work. W=(102.27*9.8m/s^2)(0.5m). Man one does 16.75 watts of power. (1002.27 J / 60 seconds.) Man two does 100.23 watts of power. (1002.27 / 10 seconds.) Because Power = work/time, the second man has more power because he does the same amount of work in less time.

[Hedgehog]

So a 400 lbs Sumo Wrestler bencing 365 is stronger than a 140 lb person benching 285?

Yes. In the benchpress.

Or, to put it extreme:

A 400 lbs sumo wrestler who benchpresses 251 lbs is stronger in the benchpress than a 155 lbs ripped guy who benchpresses 250 lbs.

The ripped guy scores a better Wilks point, and could be considered a better benchpresser.

But stronger? No.

And if you look up your score on the Wilks, you were better @ 238 lbs.

This is just the facts. You don't score as high at a lower bodyweight as you did at a higher bodyweight.

To conclude:

1. You're not as strong.

2. From a powerlifting perspective, taking your lower bodyweight into account, you are not as good lifter today.

What about your other lifts? How has the squat and the benchpress changed?

I'd imagine that the deadlift is where you can keep most of the strength, and you've lost a lot of strength in the squat, since a big gut is very helpful in squatting big.



YIP
Zack

[dorkeroo]

Not at all.

I always said that I was deadlifting 600 near 240 lbs which is not great at all.

Nothing personal, but that is a lie. You stated time and time again how great that was and how great you were when you did those "lifts". Natural Al is correct here, you are changing your attitude to give yourself an advantage. Give these arguments a rest of you ever want to have credibility on here again.

[ieffinhatecardio]

Give these arguments a rest of you ever want to have credibility on here again.

That ship sailed a long time ago.

[PRO_Crastinator]

This is the most ridiculous advice I have ever read from Adonis.  Now he's an expert in powerlifting.  This is just not right.

[IFBBwannaB]

W = F x d
order to calculate the work that has gone into lifting your weights, you must first know how to calculate force. The force applied to an object is equal to the mass of the object times the objects acceleration.

Fa = m x  a

    

    You might be thinking 'well that sounds simple, all I do to calculate work is multiply the distance I lifted the weight by the force that I had to apply to it'. There is however one very important condition.

 For work to be done on an object, the force has to be in the same direction as the object's movement!  

    Weights are not always lifted in perpendicular or parallel lines to the floor, sometimes weightlifting involves tricky things called angles. If your weightlifting exercise involves angles, such as the 45 degree leg press, in order to properly calculate the amount of work you do on the weight, you have to visualize a triangle and split up the distance into both vertical and horizontal parts by using the following set of equations:

LOL you know jackshit about physics.

1.Yes if he lift more he is stronger.No other way around it.

2.A force doesnt have to be at the same direction of the movment retard,go learn about vectors.How to break vectors into specific axis and so on.

You have no idea how stupid you make yourself look.