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North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« on: October 03, 2006, 10:06:31 AM »
North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
By Choe Sang-Hun International Herald Tribune | October 3, 2006

SEOUL -  North Korea said Tuesday that it would test a nuclear weapon despite U.S. warnings that such a move would provoke harsher sanctions and perhaps even military action.
 
The announcement by the North Korean Foreign Ministry marked the first time the regime had declared its intention to conduct a nuclear test and raised the stakes dramatically in negotiations on how to deal with North Korea's nuclear weapons programs.
 
The statement gave no indication when a test might occur. Last month, Kim Seung Kyu, director of the National Intelligence Service, told the South Korean Parliament that North Korea was capable of conducting an underground nuclear test at any time.
 
Although Pyongyang declared in February 2005 that it possessed nuclear weapons, it has never conducted a known test on its territory to prove its claim. A successful test would confirm North Korea as the eighth declared nuclear power, following the steps of the United States, Russia, Britain, France, China, India and Pakistan. Israel is an undeclared nuclear power.
 
Confirmation that North Korea has nuclear weapons, experts said, would disrupt the arms balance in Northeast Asia and possibly compel Japan, which lies within the range of North Korean missiles, to amass its own arsenal. That in turn would encourage South Korea to pursue its own nuclear arms program.
 
In Tokyo, Foreign Minister Taro Aso said: "It is a threat to peace. We would never be able to forgive such a move."
 
South Korea will increase surveillance on North Korea for signs of a nuclear test, said Yoon Tae Young, spokesman for President Roh Moo Hyun.
 
"President Roh has repeatedly said that South Korea will not tolerate nuclear weapons for North Korea, and said that if North Korea conducts a nuclear test, it will create a whole new environment" in North Korea's relations with South Korea and the rest of the world, Yoon said.
 
"The DPRK will in the future conduct a nuclear test under the condition where safety is firmly guaranteed," the North Korean Foreign Ministry said in a statement, referring to the country's official name, Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
 
North Korea's statement, carried by its official press agency, KCNA, said the "U.S. extreme threat of a nuclear war and sanctions and pressure compel the DPRK to conduct a nuclear test, an essential process for bolstering nuclear deterrent." It said North Korea would "never use nuclear weapons first but strictly prohibit any threat of nuclear weapons and nuclear transfer."
 
American officials say that North Korea is a leading vendor of missile technology, and given its history of flouting international treaties, could easily turn to nuclear materials to earn badly needed cash.
 
North Korea lashed out at what it called Washington's attempts to "internationalize the sanctions and blockade against the DPRK by leaving no dastardly means and methods untried in a foolish attempt to isolate and stifle it economically and bring down the socialist system chosen by its people themselves." It called such moves a "de facto declaration of war."
 
Since last September, the U.S. Treasury Department has persuaded 24 banks in China, Mongolia, Singapore, Vietnam and other countries to shut down North Korean accounts. Last month, Australia and Japan ordered their financial institutions to block transactions by companies suspected of having links to North Korea's weapons programs.
 
Washington says North Korea should return to the six-nation nuclear disarmament talks or face further restraints on its finances. North Korea insists that it will boycott the nuclear talks as long as there are sanctions. The talks involve the United States, the two Koreas, China, Japan and Russia.
 
"A nuclear test by North Korea will shake up the military balance between North Korea, Japan and South Korea, which has been based on conventional weapons," said Nam Sung Wook, a North Korea expert at Korea University in Seoul. "The sense of insecurity will spike in South Korea, and calls could mount in Japan for nuclear armament."
 
North Korea's statement came just days before planned visits by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to Beijing and Seoul, Nam noted. Abe, a hawk on North Korea, was expected to discuss North Korea as a top agenda item in his meetings with Chinese and South Korean leaders.
 
"Right now there is a 50-50 chance of North Korea testing a nuke," Nam said. "Much of the decision will depend on what China and South Korea say after their summits with Abe."
 
"North Korea is believed to have acquired enough technology from Pakistan to conduct a test," Nam said. "If it wants to, it can finish the preparations within three weeks. It will wait for a timing with a maximum impact."
 
Robert Joseph, the U.S. under secretary of state for arms control and international security, said last week that Washington was prepared to seek a UN Security Council resolution that would invoke Chapter 7 of the UN Charter, which allows for military force. The use of Chapter 7 has been vehemently opposed by China and South Korea.
 
In the recent weeks, there have been news reports in Washington, Tokyo and Seoul that North Korea may be preparing for an underground nuclear test. The reports cited activities around facilities near the border with China or on the North's remote northeast coast
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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2006, 12:10:16 PM »
SEOUL -  North Korea said Tuesday that it would test a nuclear weapon despite U.S. warnings that such a move would provoke harsher sanctions and perhaps even military action.

Why are we gearing up to bomb iran back to the stone age, but not North Korea?

N Korea tells us today they're about to explode a nuclear bomb, and they're going to do it because of "extreme threat of nuclear war from the Uniteted States".   

Iran is interested in developing a nuclear program.

Which do you consider to be a greater threat?  (Q to everyone)

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2006, 12:35:48 PM »
to who?
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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2006, 12:43:05 PM »
To the US.

We're itching to completely cook Iran, because they want a nuke program.
N Korea on the other hand, tested missiles on the 4th of July, and now plans to detonate a nuke. 

I see NK as a much larger threat to put a hurtin' on hawaii or California, than iran.  Can some of our pro-iran war people speak on it?

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2006, 12:45:01 PM »
North Korea has an internal satanic cult going on which, with a little persuation can be controlled. It has little support from the general population outside North Korea, and barely has enough infrastructure to sustain itself in it's current communist form.

Iran however, is a country following a similar satanic cult, but with many more followers and more international support. It's pagan cult gives it an agenda to fulfil if it desires, with many sleeper cells across the globe (1.2 Bil muzzies). It has potentially more wealth than North Korea to make its goals a reality.

This might not seem like a threat to an idiot like you, however it's a bigger problem than you care to imagine.

I quote Churchill:

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How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceasedto be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2006, 12:48:26 PM »
North Korea has an internal satanic cult going on which, with a little persuation can be controlled. It has little support from the general population outside North Korea, and barely has enough infrastructure to sustain itself in it's current communist form.

Um, so how come we haven't tried to control them yet?  Are we actually waiting for a nuke to land on US soil to put them in time-out?

Also, it is the nation with little infrastructure and money problems that is way more likely to sell nukes on the black market.  What do they have to lose? 

Iran however, is a country following a similar satanic cult, but with many more followers and more international support. It's pagan cult gives it an agenda to fulfil if it desires, with many sleeper cells across the globe (1.2 Bil muzzies). It has potentially more wealth than North Korea to make its goals a reality.

You consider everyone one of the 1.2B muslims in this world to be a sleeper terrorist?

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2006, 12:58:02 PM »
Fire up the B-52s!   :)

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2006, 01:13:54 PM »
Um, so how come we haven't tried to control them yet?  Are we actually waiting for a nuke to land on US soil to put them in time-out?

Also, it is the nation with little infrastructure and money problems that is way more likely to sell nukes on the black market.  What do they have to lose?

Don't be a fucktard, where are NK going? Nowhere, these scare tactics, threats etc are evidence of this. Sure they might need to be dealt with in a harder fashion than that of today, but Iran IS the greater threat.

You consider everyone one of the 1.2B muslims in this world to be a sleeper terrorist?

Yeah, "sleepers". Just you wait brother. :-[
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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2006, 01:18:56 PM »

i love how 240 is fulla Shit says we're ready to cook Iran, but not North korea . . . just pulls this stuff out of his ass, and clearly hasn't looked at a mainstream newspaper in ages:

John R. Bolton, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, told The Associated Press that a nuclear test would be “extraordinarily serious.”

American officials have said that if North Korea were to conduct nuclear tests, the United States would seek Security Council sanctions through a procedure that carries the threat of military action.

In London, a spokesman for Britain’s foreign ministry said a test would be “a highly provocative act with serious consequences.”

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2006, 01:25:07 PM »
i love how 240 is fulla Shit says we're ready to cook Iran, but not North korea . . . just pulls this stuff out of his ass, and clearly hasn't looked at a mainstream newspaper in ages:

John R. Bolton, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, told The Associated Press that a nuclear test would be “extraordinarily serious.”

American officials have said that if North Korea were to conduct nuclear tests, the United States would seek Security Council sanctions through a procedure that carries the threat of military action.

In London, a spokesman for Britain’s foreign ministry said a test would be “a highly provocative act with serious consequences.”

I think what 240 was saying that Iran gets as much if not more attention than North Korea, despite not even having Nuclear bombs. Let's face it, if Iran had even one nuke then they'd have been bombed like crazy by the US. While the N. Korea already has nukes and all the US is doing is threating economic sanctions.

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2006, 01:30:00 PM »
Lets hope that the UN will get their shit together and finally take out North Korea.

North Korea has no allies.

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2006, 01:31:31 PM »
Lets hope that the UN will get their shit together and finally take out North Korea.

North Korea has no allies.

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ever hear of this country called China? they don't like people effing around in their backyard.

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2006, 01:32:33 PM »
Lets hope that the UN will get their shit together and finally take out North Korea.

North Korea has no allies.

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Hasn't anyone informed you that the UN is a joke of a organisation?
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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2006, 01:33:34 PM »
I think what 240 was saying that Iran gets as much if not more attention than North Korea, despite not even having Nuclear bombs. Let's face it, if Iran had even one nuke then they'd have been bombed like crazy by the US. While the N. Korea already has nukes and all the US is doing is threating economic sanctions.

Isreal will bomb Iran before the US  will and Israel will before bomb Iran before it gets the bomb.
It is pretty simple Iran has money, North Korea is broke.

N. Korea doesn't have missles yet to hit either the US or Japan, also South Korea and China have a huge say on what happens to North Korea. South Korea and China don't want America to get involved.

Also sanctions seem to be working well against North Korea.
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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2006, 01:37:45 PM »
Hasn't anyone informed you that the UN is a joke of a organisation?

Of course, if economically smaller countries don't have a strong enough voice then it's a joke. It's a joke when the US and other western countries constantly enforce what they percieve as "good" on other nations.

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2006, 01:39:31 PM »
Also sanctions seem to be working well against North Korea.

Good call.  Their firing missiles on July 4th was just a way of wishing us a happy independence day!  And the nuke test - i'm guessing that shint mushroom cloud in the pacific will come on election day or right before - that should definitely show that the sanctions are working!

One day, when they finally do carry out or facilitate the use of a nuke on US soil - that will be the day we know economic sanctions worked.  Bravo.

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2006, 01:44:57 PM »
Isreal will bomb Iran before the US  will and Israel will before bomb Iran before it gets the bomb.
It is pretty simple Iran has money, North Korea is broke.

N. Korea doesn't have missles yet to hit either the US or Japan, also South Korea and China have a huge say on what happens to North Korea. South Korea and China don't want America to get involved.

Also sanctions seem to be working well against North Korea.


Iran has allowed inspectors into its enrichment facalities as well as signed the nuclear missile treaty.

It's clearly evident that the west just doesn't want the advancement of a muslim nation that doesn't agree with its interests. They'll go as far as to prevent them from getting a very suffient source of energy, to try and prevent them from advancing their civilzation. This was evident when Iran tried to nationalize ITS OWN oil industry and what did the US do? It bribed the Shah and help to put him in power, which led to the Iran of today.

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2006, 01:51:09 PM »
Iran has allowed inspectors into its enrichment facalities as well as signed the nuclear missile treaty.

It's clearly evident that the west just doesn't want the advancement of a muslim nation that doesn't agree with its interests. They'll go as far as to prevent them from getting a very suffient source of energy, to try and prevent them from advancing their civilzation. This was evident when Iran tried to nationalize ITS OWN oil industry and what did the US do? It bribed the Shah and help to put him in power, which led to the Iran of today.

The west doesn't want this islamic dictatorship to advance, and rightly so.

Why don't they advance their civilization with freedom of speech, womens rights?

And you're not a muslim you say? Ok brother ::)
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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2006, 01:52:21 PM »
It is pretty simple Iran has money, North Korea is broke.

So iran has a lot to lose?  N Korea has nothing to lose?

Who is more likely to commit a crime - a family man with money and a good job who owns a gun, or the homeless guy with a growling stomach and a gun?

Come on, use logic here...

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2006, 01:52:34 PM »
ever hear of this country called China? they don't like people effing around in their backyard.

Yeah.

That was kind of my naive hope here.

The North Korean situation becoming a unifier.

Both Russia and China are in the immediate surrounding, so is Japan.

This could be an opportunity, hopefully USA and China will agree on something constructive.



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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2006, 01:55:42 PM »
Fire up the B-52s!   :)

Yeah, and a few B-1's and B-2's along with it.
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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2006, 01:57:37 PM »
Dude,
Pakistan already had bombs, and they developed them while isolated by the rest of the before 9-11.

Also how do you rate Turkey, a secular Democracy, a member of NATO, and soon a Member of the EU. Seems to me like a shining example of what a Muslim state can be.

Iran is building nuclear facilities for other needs then electricity, seeing that they are a net exporter of oil.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/pgulf.html

The UN is the also the organization pressuring Iran the most, since Iran won't let nuclear inspectors into the enrichment facilities they have.

Your history of Iran fails to mention the overthrow of the Shah and the establishment of a totalitarian state where they routinely round up and kill people that speak out against the government.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kazemi/

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2006, 02:00:31 PM »
So iran has a lot to lose?  N Korea has nothing to lose?

Who is more likely to commit a crime - a family man with money and a good job who owns a gun, or the homeless guy with a growling stomach and a gun?

Come on, use logic here...

North Korea uses Nuclear technology as wedge to try to get more money donated to the country,Foreign donations make up the bul of their budget. North Korea might have nuclear technology, but they really can't use it, becuase they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2006, 02:00:49 PM »
The west doesn't want this islamic dictatorship to advance, and rightly so.

I wonder how Islamic countries feel about the cool things the US is doing in other people's countries.

Why don't they advance their civilization with freedom of speech, womens rights?

Really cool that we've solved all of our own nation's problems, and that we now have the time, effort, money, and lives available to solve the problems of others.  Ever heard "MYOB"?

And you're not a muslim you say? Ok brother ::)

You're not a racist, are you?

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Re: North Korea vows to test a nuclear weapon
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2006, 02:02:09 PM »

Your history of Iran fails to mention the overthrow of the Shah and the establishment of a totalitarian state where they routinely round up and kill people that speak out against the government.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kazemi/



 :-\ the shah was overthrown by the same people who helped us (Britain and the CIA) overthrow their "democratic" leader Mossadegh. it's all ancient history, anyways. what matters is now.