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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2006, 10:54:53 AM »
theat Hitler Youth haircut has to go

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2006, 10:56:46 AM »
why?  it's kinda his trademark
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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2006, 10:57:30 AM »
Your not wrong, they were comparing Ronnie to his best.  Ronnie makes these guys look like kids....standing next to Jay, even not front "relaxed" position Ronnie just simply stands out.  The guy has mounds and mounds of muscle tissue AND it's incredibly dense and separated NOT surface like and balloon like and smooth, relatively speaking.  Like i said, jay is a very good bodybuilder, but even with the back problem and the subsequent TIEING of the back bi shot Ronnie should have won.  Ronnie overall was harder and more detailed with a lot more size.  Thanks for the comments.  in no way am I comparing just showing that if amatuers can show detail he should be off the charts...it IS MR. O after all.

Jay IS awesome....and I truly think that he improved on Saturday....and ROnnie didn't....but Friday night was a different story. When the pics were posted, I couldn't believe how hard and huge Ronnie looked. I went to bed thinking that it was over and that Jay had 2nd locked up.

I have to think that Jay may have been thinking the same thing on Friday.....you can almost tell in his expressions........maybe I'm nuts, but that's what I thought.

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2006, 10:59:07 AM »
Although Jay is a very good bodybuilder and Mr O, I think that , (for the Mr.O level) these shots aren't anything too impressive.  The back is a bit watery for an hour before pre judge, the quads are real good, but not incredible and the arms and shoulders and chest just don't have the detail that they should.  Obviously, my opinion means nothing here and he won anyway.  I just think that Ronnie is the FAR more impressive bodybuilder.  As an example, NOT A COMPARISON, here is a shot of my quads two weeks before a show and they got MUCH bigger the next year.  and this was with only a cc deca and 2 cc test because I thought I was doing the muscle mania but decided to do NPC instead of becoming a cheat like the other guys.

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2006, 11:03:25 AM »
you have a sick set of wheels!

Sweat posing trunks.
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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2006, 11:07:00 AM »
yeah, i agree jay did get dryer for the sat show and he is good, but I don't know I guess I just wish it turned out the way I predicted, hahahaha, I HATE being wrong, lol. Whatever.  Thanks, Mike...the next year I put on 25 pounds and couldn't wear any normal pants or clothes, haha, ridiculous it was.

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2006, 11:25:22 AM »
.  As an example, NOT A COMPARISON, here is a shot of my quads two weeks before a show and they got MUCH bigger the next year.  and this was with only a cc deca and 2 cc test because I thought I was doing the muscle mania but decided to do NPC instead of becoming a cheat like the other guys.

using test and decca to compete in natural shows?

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2006, 11:30:15 AM »
Ice Cold,  that's EXACTLY why i did NOT go ahead and pulled out and went to NPC show.  EVERY other natural show from 98 to 2000 was done completely drug free and NOT for muscle mania.  i did NOT want to be like the OTHER MM and universe guys that say they are natural and are not.  READ the POSTS carefully or improve your reading comprehension.

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2006, 11:42:21 AM »
I've never seen Jay look so small & flat. Weird pics.
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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2006, 11:51:47 AM »
Your not wrong, they were comparing Ronnie to his best.  Ronnie makes these guys look like kids....standing next to Jay, even not front "relaxed" position Ronnie just simply stands out.  The guy has mounds and mounds of muscle tissue AND it's incredibly dense and separated NOT surface like and balloon like and smooth, relatively speaking.  Like i said, jay is a very good bodybuilder, but even with the back problem and the subsequent TIEING of the back bi shot Ronnie should have won.  Ronnie overall was harder and more detailed with a lot more size.  Thanks for the comments.  in no way am I comparing just showing that if amatuers can show detail he should be off the charts...it IS MR. O after all.
dude most of so called size was confined to his big waist..just see those pics of coleman again..he had no left quad,his both lats were missing and his left triceps were no were to be found..so what size are you talking about then..ronnie was off and admit it
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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2006, 11:59:37 AM »
Whatever, man, I don't see it that way, but that is the subjective part of bb.  As competitors they know and accept this stepping on stage.  Ronnie standing next to jay looks like the difference between a pro and state level guy.  Also, do you actually think Ronnies waist is big fro his physique?  It does have distention and recti splitting between the abs, but it is not big compared to his body.  Now Jay on the other hand is smaller than Ronnie with a lot bigger waist, even though his abs are better.

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2006, 12:06:17 PM »
Although Jay is a very good bodybuilder and Mr O, I think that , (for the Mr.O level) these shots aren't anything too impressive.  The back is a bit watery for an hour before pre judge, the quads are real good, but not incredible and the arms and shoulders and chest just don't have the detail that they should.  Obviously, my opinion means nothing here and he won anyway.  I just think that Ronnie is the FAR more impressive bodybuilder.  As an example, NOT A COMPARISON, here is a shot of my quads two weeks before a show and they got MUCH bigger the next year.  and this was with only a cc deca and 2 cc test because I thought I was doing the muscle mania but decided to do NPC instead of becoming a cheat like the other guys.


lucky for Jay you werent at the olympia competing.........


and dont sell yourself short, even though you competed at a NPC show you juiced so you are still a cheat...

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2006, 12:08:31 PM »
My Observations:

- It didn't matter how Ronnie and Jay looked on Friday -- the judges gave Jay straight 1's all the way. Even if Ronnie got tighter and Jay got weaker on Saturday, the outcome would have been the same.
- How on earth does Jay achieve that low level of BF without a vein in sight? I know naturals with better vascularity. Definitely no Munzer.
- Ronnie absolutely crushes Jay in the front double biceps, the most muscular, the front lat spread, the side biceps, and the rear lat spread and rear double biceps are close. Could somebody please explain exactly which poses Jay crushes Ronnie on and how it adds up to dethroning the champ?
- People who are doubting that Ronnie was told prior to the finals that he was not going to win shouldn't be too surprised. The judges scorecards after the prejudging is not considered a closely guarded secret. All it takes is one of the 17 (or so) judges to tell a friend/spouse/hooker and the word is out. With Jay's Friday scores in the bag, Ronnie had no chance to win.
- Ronnie should hang it up, not because he is no longer an awesome bodybuilder, but because this is the typical IFBB writing on the wall for him. Once the powers-that-be make up their minds about someone, it's over for them. For reference, see Nasser. Or Gustavo. Or Mustafa. Or Arntz.  Sure, sucking up can still do wonders (See Kamali. Or Victor. Or Cutler) but Ronnie has too much pride to suck kock at this stage of his career. If he had any dignity, he'd pull a Marvelous Marvin Hagler and never compete again.
- Ronnie and Jay is an apples-to-apples comparison. So we're still stuck with apples. If we're gonna pick apples, let's at least pick the biggest, freakiest apple (Ruhl) to win.  Otherwise, let's just pick an orange (Melvin) and dictate the change back to a symmetrical, aesthetic Mr. Olympia. Oh yeah, I forgot. Markus lives in Germany and won't be able to guest pose for $500 every weekend for the judges' own promotions/contests.

That's it. My mouth to God's ears. Deal with the truth.

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2006, 12:09:56 PM »
Jay is a fantastic bb hands-down!!!

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2006, 12:25:55 PM »
 "... How on earth does Jay achieve that low level of BF without a vein in sight? I know naturals with better vascularity. Definitely no Munzer.."

Very strange indeed. That boy needs to add some EPO to his diet or something.

"...Ronnie absolutely crushes Jay in the front double biceps, the most muscular, the front lat spread, the side biceps, and the rear lat spread and rear double biceps are close. Could somebody please explain exactly which poses Jay crushes Ronnie on and how it adds up to dethroning the champ?'

I can't find a single shot, not one. What do I know...
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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2006, 07:39:23 PM »
My Observations:

- It didn't matter how Ronnie and Jay looked on Friday -- the judges gave Jay straight 1's all the way. Even if Ronnie got tighter and Jay got weaker on Saturday, the outcome would have been the same.
- How on earth does Jay achieve that low level of BF without a vein in sight? I know naturals with better vascularity. Definitely no Munzer.
- Ronnie absolutely crushes Jay in the front double biceps, the most muscular, the front lat spread, the side biceps, and the rear lat spread and rear double biceps are close. Could somebody please explain exactly which poses Jay crushes Ronnie on and how it adds up to dethroning the champ?
- People who are doubting that Ronnie was told prior to the finals that he was not going to win shouldn't be too surprised. The judges scorecards after the prejudging is not considered a closely guarded secret. All it takes is one of the 17 (or so) judges to tell a friend/spouse/hooker and the word is out. With Jay's Friday scores in the bag, Ronnie had no chance to win.
- Ronnie should hang it up, not because he is no longer an awesome bodybuilder, but because this is the typical IFBB writing on the wall for him. Once the powers-that-be make up their minds about someone, it's over for them. For reference, see Nasser. Or Gustavo. Or Mustafa. Or Arntz.  Sure, sucking up can still do wonders (See Kamali. Or Victor. Or Cutler) but Ronnie has too much pride to suck kock at this stage of his career. If he had any dignity, he'd pull a Marvelous Marvin Hagler and never compete again.
- Ronnie and Jay is an apples-to-apples comparison. So we're still stuck with apples. If we're gonna pick apples, let's at least pick the biggest, freakiest apple (Ruhl) to win.  Otherwise, let's just pick an orange (Melvin) and dictate the change back to a symmetrical, aesthetic Mr. Olympia. Oh yeah, I forgot. Markus lives in Germany and won't be able to guest pose for $500 every weekend for the judges' own promotions/contests.

That's it. My mouth to God's ears. Deal with the truth.

Special "Straight Shooter" Ed

1) ronnies back was small & soft
2) he has no calves
3) his quads are weirdly shaped. No teardropp or vastus medialis
4) he Lost the back double bi
5) when Ronnie hit his rear lat spread. NOTHING HAPPENED & nobody cheered
6) Ronnies gut was way too big
7) Ronnie is a poor poser
8) Ronnie's lost side chest because he cant pose
9) Ronnies front lat spread is not executed properly- he loses this also

Correct decision

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2006, 07:53:16 PM »
1) ronnies back was small & soft   (SOFT YES, BUT ONLY AT THE PREJUDGING)
2) he has no calves                (HE NEVER HAD)
3) his quads are weirdly shaped. No teardropp or vastus medialis  (DISAGREE INSANE WHEELS)
4) he Lost the back double bi                (DRAW AT THE MOST,  HE LOST THAT POSE AGAINST OTHER RONNIE'S PREVIOUS EDITIONS)
5) when Ronnie hit his rear lat spread. NOTHING HAPPENED & nobody cheered   (AGREE)
6) Ronnies gut was way too big           (CUTLER'S WAS BIGGER!!)
7) Ronnie is a poor poser           (DISAGREE, ONE OF THE MOST ENTERTAINING ROUTINES AND RONNIE DID IT WELL)
8) Ronnie's lost side chest because he cant pose      (HE DIDN'T LOSE THAT POSE, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?)
9) Ronnies front lat spread is not executed properly- he loses this also        (NO HE DIDN'T JAY WAS LESS DETAILED FROM THE FRONT)

Correct decision


To sum it up Ronnie was not in perfect condition, he had a visible problem with his lat and judges decided it was a perfectly good reason to give the title to Jay just to boost hype and interest. Ronnie was worse than last year, but it's to Cutler that he should have been compared.

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2006, 07:58:13 PM »
Although Jay is a very good bodybuilder and Mr O, I think that , (for the Mr.O level) these shots aren't anything too impressive.  The back is a bit watery for an hour before pre judge, the quads are real good, but not incredible and the arms and shoulders and chest just don't have the detail that they should.  Obviously, my opinion means nothing here and he won anyway.  I just think that Ronnie is the FAR more impressive bodybuilder.  As an example, NOT A COMPARISON, here is a shot of my quads two weeks before a show and they got MUCH bigger the next year.  and this was with only a cc deca and 2 cc test because I thought I was doing the muscle mania but decided to do NPC instead of becoming a cheat like the other guys.

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2006, 08:02:27 PM »
theat Hitler Youth haircut has to go

Thought he was shaving his head...................

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2006, 08:19:42 PM »
I'm sorry, but this is not Mr. Olympia quality. Soft, and no detail. Ronnie was fucked.  :-\



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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2006, 08:28:25 PM »
I'm sorry, but this is not Mr. Olympia quality. Soft, and no detail. Ronnie was fucked.  :-\



these pics are taken with probally a 100 dollar camera then fixed with software by me  because they were very dark, when you fix with software you lose alot of the pixels and pic quality! the person who took the pics didnt use flash wich causes a blurry focus on cheap cameras, so id bet he looked a bit better then these pics show!

and ronnie looks nothing like that pic anymore, and never will again,, he had great triceps there, now he looks like he had them surgically removed!

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2006, 08:35:44 PM »
these pics are taken with probally a 100 dollar camera then fixed with software by me  because they were very dark, when you fix with software you lose alot of the pixels and pic quality! the person who took the pics didnt use flash wich causes a blurry focus on cheap cameras, so id bet he looked a bit better then these pics show!

and ronnie looks nothing like that pic anymore, and never will again,, he had great triceps there, now he looks like he had them surgically removed!

It doesn't matter. Ronnie is still lightyears ahead of Cutler in terms of hardness and detail. Cutler doesn't even have a vein in his arms at 3%, come on. He doesn't have the granite hard muscle that Yates or Coleman had (has). Not to mention, ones first or 2nd olympia title is supposed to be their all-time best and set a new standard. The only new standard Cutler set was for softness and waist circumference :-\

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2006, 08:43:58 PM »
It doesn't matter. Ronnie is still lightyears ahead of Cutler in terms of hardness and detail. Cutler doesn't even have a vein in his arms at 3%, come on. He doesn't have the granite hard muscle that Yates or Coleman had (has). Not to mention, ones first or 2nd olympia title is supposed to be their all-time best and set a new standard. The only new standard Cutler set was for softness and waist circumference :-\
yup his waist is just awfull ::)

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #48 on: October 05, 2006, 08:49:10 PM »
This looks like shit, saggy and droopy with a horrible taper.


You tell me, what new standard did Jay set?

Haney set a new standard, Yates set a new standard, and Coleman set a new standard. Cutler didn't do shit.

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Re: cutler 20 minutes before precontest!
« Reply #49 on: October 05, 2006, 08:51:44 PM »
the best legs on a mr "o" is the standard he set and will take to another level over the next 3 or so yrs! :o