Yet flex is on the all time best list based on detail alone? No thickness no width.
No.... Show me one BB that was more detailed at a higher bodyweight.
no Flex is not on the list on detail alone. he is on the list because he had a great combination of both. which is my original point. if you think his back is not in the upper tier then so be it. that still doesnt equate to Jay having a great back.
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Dunno bout of all time.... I think doz and 98 ronnie hold that title/ The 06 jay is most def in the top 5! Hammer replace those pics with these....
I said jays back in 06 Learn how to read boss. Jays back is in the top 20. Pretty simple. Not the greatest ever or even top 10. Top 20 without a doubt.
No.... Show me one BB that was more detailed at a higher bodyweight. Prime example Ronnie C. His back in 98 99 was the best back ever. Look at him in 03.... My point was it is alot harder to be detailed and ripped at 270 than 220.
Wrong.... The detail doz sported at 230 especially in the midsection was incredable. Narc post the pics. So you are trying to tell me I am wrong. You think Ronnie was more detailed in 03 than in 99? O brother.
I do think it is in the upper teir. But one cannot have balence with a narrow back and zero thickness. Ronnie had width thickness and detail. Not flex. His back was narrow hence making my point. You say Jay lacks detail. Well flex lacked size and def thickness.
I saw Yates in person in 1995 and I saw in person Cutler in 2006.Yates' back was better.Jay has certain bodyparts on Yates, but not the back.
that pic is photoshoped. Here is the original.
body88 -Jay definitely deserved to win the O this year dont get me wrong. he was the best and i know youre not a Jay homer, just a difference of opinion.
03 was pretty stellar . . . this year is the first time his back has been truly sub-par.yates had incredible separation and detail at a weight similar to Jay's. do you really want to rank Jay over Samir just b/c jay weighs more?
No.. I wanted to prove Jay was in the top 20 backs ever. I agree my top 5 claim was a bit much. But those claiming that back is not in the top 20 off all time are being unfair IMO. I say this because Jay lacks detail compared to the top backs. But guys like flex lacked thickness and width. So I found it hypocritical to dismiss Jay but accept wheeler.Samir was one of the greats. His back was crazy detailed and conditioned. But it did lack size and thickness. So to say a guy with a gigantic back.. Very thick.. Good condition (not great) and great detail (not amazing) is not in the top 20 is nuts! Jay lacks the opposite of the others. So it works out to be the same in the end. Jay has them all on width and thickness (minus Ronnie and Doz which are about even).. But they have Jay on detail.. Jay was dry. The skin is a cosmetic fault. That is not water. His condition was good.
samir wasn't as wide as jay . . . w the exception of ruhl and that new guy from england, nobody is as wide as jay. but samir had a lot of density . . . he was very strong in the back movements and you could tell.