Jay Has the Greatest Back of all Time!

[ATHEIST]

Yet flex is on the all time best list based on detail alone? No thickness no width.

 no Flex is not on the list on detail alone. he is on the list because he had a great combination of both. which is my original point. if you think his back is not in the upper tier then so be it. that still doesnt equate to Jay having a great back.

[getfast81]

No.... Show me one BB that was more detailed at a higher bodyweight.

Ok

[body88]

no Flex is not on the list on detail alone. he is on the list because he had a great combination of both. which is my original point. if you think his back is not in the upper tier then so be it. that still doesnt equate to Jay having a great back.

I do think it is in the upper teir. But one cannot have balence with a narrow back and zero thickness. Ronnie had width thickness and detail. Not flex. His back was narrow hence making my point. You say Jay lacks detail. Well flex lacked size and def thickness.

[body88]

Ok

Wrong.... The detail doz sported at 230 especially in the midsection was incredable. Narc post the pics. So you are trying to tell me I am wrong. You think Ronnie was more detailed in 03 than in 99? O brother.

[fathead]

DAVID HENRY     

SERIOUSLY

[ATHEIST]

Dunno bout of all time.... I think doz and 98 ronnie hold that title/ The 06 jay is most def in the top 5! Hammer replace those pics with these....

I said jays back in 06 Learn how to read boss. Jays back is in the top 20. Pretty simple. Not the greatest ever or even top 10. Top 20 without a doubt.

earlier you said his back was top 5 of all time.
 now your saying top twenty?
 hmmm...

[ATHEIST]

No.... Show me one BB that was more detailed at a higher bodyweight. Prime example Ronnie C. His back in 98 99 was the best back ever. Look at him in 03....

My point was it is alot harder to be detailed and ripped at 270 than 220.

ok, Victor Martinez. he was at his heaviest this Olympia and his back and overall conditioning was the best it has ever been.

[getfast81]

Wrong.... The detail doz sported at 230 especially in the midsection was incredable. Narc post the pics. So you are trying to tell me I am wrong. You think Ronnie was more detailed in 03 than in 99? O brother.

Jays midsection looked odd at the Olympia.  Ronnie did not look more detailed in 03 than in 99 but mass blew away the field that year.  No one could compete with him on any level.  Asthetics may have lacked but once he walked onstage he blew everyone else off of it.  Thats what counts in bb.  The eyes win competitions not always asthetics.

[ATHEIST]

I do think it is in the upper teir. But one cannot have balence with a narrow back and zero thickness. Ronnie had width thickness and detail. Not flex. His back was narrow hence making my point. You say Jay lacks detail. Well flex lacked size and def thickness.

if he lacked so much size and thickness how was he able to be so prolific?

[ATHEIST]

body88 -Jay definitely deserved to win the O this year dont get me wrong. he was the best and i know youre not a Jay homer, just a difference of opinion.

[Royalty]

I saw Yates in person in 1995 and I saw in person Cutler in 2006.

Yates' back was better.

Jay has certain bodyparts on Yates, but not the back.

[knny187]

I saw Yates in person in 1995 and I saw in person Cutler in 2006.

Yates' back was better.

Jay has certain bodyparts on Yates, but not the back.

I've seen Dorian in person....& I have a hard time believing there's a better back.


I will say Ron is a close #2

[ATHEIST]

no question Dorians back was better. and i didnt even like his phisique.

[CAPTAIN MARVEL]

Jay has a great back. Him and Joel Stubbs now have the top two backs in the pros, but while Jay has incredible size and density he has yet to display it as tight and separated as Doz or Ronnie. He does have quite a few years left to try and make this happen, but he's not number one right now. I do think Vic will eventually have the best back of all time.

[swilkins1984]

that pic is photoshoped. Here is the original.

Well it still is impressive nonetheless.

[theonlyone]

Jay has pathetic back compared to Colemans. And chichek legs the result of pussie training. In everything else yeah he's the champ.

[beatmaster]

pathetic, yeah , hmm hmm, ooooooook........

Well, we are all blinds i guess, thank you! I see you are a real coleman fan!

[body88]

body88 -Jay definitely deserved to win the O this year dont get me wrong. he was the best and i know youre not a Jay homer, just a difference of opinion.

No worries man I respect your argument.

[body88]

Ps I just got in... Absolutly hammered... Time for sleeeeeeeeep

[Al-Gebra]

No.... Show me one BB that was more detailed at a higher bodyweight. Prime example Ronnie C. His back in 98 99 was the best back ever. Look at him in 03....

My point was it is alot harder to be detailed and ripped at 270 than 220.

03 was pretty stellar . . . this year is the first time his back has been truly sub-par.

yates had incredible separation and detail at a weight similar to Jay's.

do you really want to rank Jay over Samir just b/c jay weighs more?

[body88]

03 was pretty stellar . . . this year is the first time his back has been truly sub-par.

yates had incredible separation and detail at a weight similar to Jay's.

do you really want to rank Jay over Samir just b/c jay weighs more?

No.. I wanted to prove Jay was in the top 20 backs ever. I agree my top 5 claim was a bit much. But those claiming that back is not in the top 20 off all time are being unfair IMO. I say this because Jay lacks detail compared to the top backs. But guys like flex lacked thickness and width. So I found it hypocritical to dismiss Jay but accept wheeler.

Samir was one of the greats. His back was crazy detailed and conditioned. But it did lack size and thickness. So to say a guy with a gigantic back.. Very thick.. Good condition (not great) and great detail (not amazing) is not in the top 20 is nuts! Jay lacks the opposite of the others. So it works out to be the same in the end. Jay has them all on width and thickness (minus Ronnie and Doz which are about even).. But they have Jay on detail.. Jay was dry. The skin is a cosmetic fault. That is not water. His condition was good.

[Hulkster]

I think the problem is that detail goes a long way into making a back look impressive than width.

eg. Flex was narrow but was so detailed it was hard to notice.

Width is good, but if you don't have that road map look, your back will not look really impressive no matter what.

markus is a great example - super wide, lacking detail.

[body88]

I see your point hulk. I remember looking at the pics of wheeler and thinking his back was amazing. But then when you see him next to Ronnie in 98 or Maybe 99 the width difference and lack of thickness kill wheeler. To be fair Jay is in transition of poses and has not yet flexed like in the shots of ray and wheeler. You can see wheeler straining while flexing. Flex was ultra detailed. His triceps where rediculous. You could see them perfectly in his bicep shots.

I think Jay is in the top 20 backs ever. But what the hell do I know 

[Al-Gebra]

No.. I wanted to prove Jay was in the top 20 backs ever. I agree my top 5 claim was a bit much. But those claiming that back is not in the top 20 off all time are being unfair IMO. I say this because Jay lacks detail compared to the top backs. But guys like flex lacked thickness and width. So I found it hypocritical to dismiss Jay but accept wheeler.

Samir was one of the greats. His back was crazy detailed and conditioned. But it did lack size and thickness. So to say a guy with a gigantic back.. Very thick.. Good condition (not great) and great detail (not amazing) is not in the top 20 is nuts! Jay lacks the opposite of the others. So it works out to be the same in the end. Jay has them all on width and thickness (minus Ronnie and Doz which are about even).. But they have Jay on detail.. Jay was dry. The skin is a cosmetic fault. That is not water. His condition was good.

samir wasn't as wide as jay . . . w the exception of ruhl and that new guy from england, nobody is as wide as jay.  but samir had a lot of density . . . he was very strong in the back movements and you could tell.

[body88]

samir wasn't as wide as jay . . . w the exception of ruhl and that new guy from england, nobody is as wide as jay.  but samir had a lot of density . . . he was very strong in the back movements and you could tell.

Samir never struck me as a powerful dense looking back. It was great and I could never have a back like that but it did not look thick to me imo.His back detail was unreal.Samir was perfect in 83. Robby r looked thick and dense imo. Just the claim of jay being the widest guy ever with good detail, awesome thickness and good condition give him a claim at the top 20. Ruhl is wide but his back looks atrocious.

In my mind this is perfection when it comes to physiques.