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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2009, 12:55:25 PM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6897178.ece

From Times Online
October 30, 2009

Merkel: no chance of Kyoto-style agreement at Copenhagen
David Charter and Sam Coates in Brussels



German Chancellor Angela Merkel speaks during a media conference at the end of an EU summit in Brussels

Angela Merkel today tried to give the world a wake up call to the glacial progress being made towards a climate deal in Copenhagen by writing off the chances of achieving a succesor to the Kyoto treaty this year.

Alarmed by the impasse gripping pre-Copenhagen talks, the German Chancellor warned fellow EU leaders that only a broad political framework was now possible from the negotiations due in the Danish capital in December. She said that the chances of a comprehensive treaty had disappeared.

"It is realistic to say that in Copenhagen we will not be able to conclude a treaty but it is important to lay down a political framework which will be the basis of the treaty," she said at the end of the two-day EU summit in Brussels.

"Copenhagen was supposed to be a post-Kyoto regime. Now we are talking about a political framework and negotiations will drag out longer until we get a treaty."
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Her stark warning carries extra weight because she led German negotiations on the original Kyoto protocol which created the first international targets for cutting harmful emissions.

Mrs Merkel, who is deeply committed to achieving a comprehensive global treaty to succeed Kyoto, will tell President Obama about her fears that the US is doing too little to secure a treaty when she travels to Washington this week.

She also held a private meeting with Gordon Brown today in Brussels at which she told him that much more needed to be doen to kickstart the faltering Copenhagen process.

EU leaders decided today to call for a global fund of €100 billion a year to pay developing countries to combat climate change but failed to agree on how much money it was prepared to put into it.

Proposals for the EU to pledge €10 billion a year of public money towards the fund were rejected by former Iron Curtain countries which wanted to know exactly what they were being asked to pay before signing up.

Campaigners welcomed the idea of a global fund but warned that unless the EU gave more of a lead by offering hard cash incentives, it could be impossible to persuade the US and others to join in and reach agreement at climate change talks in Copenhagen in December.

In setting their negotiating position for Copenhagen, EU leaders agreed that €22 to €50 billion a year should come from developed countries to help the poorer nations to go green. Most of the rest would come form carbon trading schemes, they said.

The final deal failed to meet Mr Brown's ambitions because the Prime Minister had pushed for the EU to name its contribution and called for the range of public funding to be set at €30 to €40 billion a year by 2020, arguing that €22 billion would be too low.

Mr Brown today described the compromise over the EU climate change deal as a "prelude" to successful global talks in Copenhagen. Unlike Mrs Merkel, he remains upbeat about the chances of success in Copenhagen.

"People realise that we are only a few days away from the negotiations in Copenhagen. We were aware that if we did not come together to make progress, the possibility of a deal [in Copenhagen] would be a lot less likely. We can now look forward to a successful outcome."

The EU is also proposing that the international community find €5 to €7 billion of fast-track funding for the 2010-12 period for the developing world before any Copenhagen agreement comes into force. Again, the EU part of that was not made clear.

"The EU failed to use this opportunity to put its money where its mouth is" said Joris den Blanken, EU climate policy director for Greenpeace.

"But all is not lost: today 27 of the world's richest nations have backed global funding to tackle climate change in developing countries.

"The Copenhagen train is still running, but the world desperately needs some climate leadership to stop the wheels from jumping off the track. Regardless of whether climate legislation is passed in the US ahead of Copenhagen, president Obama should step up and break the deadlock in negotiations."

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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2009, 12:56:48 PM »
Looks like this "train" is losing its grip on the tracks.

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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2009, 01:00:49 PM »
Looks like this "train" is losing its grip on the tracks.


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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2009, 01:02:16 PM »
Yeah buy you know what, at least we know the things that are going on, whether they are likely to be signed or not. 

But for the Senate confirmationprocess, we all know Obama would have no problem signing on to this. 

So?

Are we supposed cringe in fear at every creak?  

I mean WHAT THE FUCK????????????????????

"UN plans for a new government" followed with fear bots running around saying Obama is going to sign our soveriengty away.

Grow up people.

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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2009, 01:03:50 PM »
So?

Are we supposed cringe in fear at every creak?  

I mean WHAT THE FUCK????????????????????

"UN plans for a new government" followed with fear bots running around saying Obama is going to sign our soveriengty away.

Grow up people.

No, but the larger issue of Cap & Trade and this green madness that is being used as cover to usher in all sorts of crap.   

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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2009, 01:08:15 PM »
No, but the larger issue of Cap & Trade and this green madness that is being used as cover to usher in all sorts of crap.   

SO THE FUCK WHAT?

Start another thread talking "cap and trade" then.  In the mean time, try and stay on the subject of the thread which is the CHICKEN LITTLE'S SAYING:

Obama is gonna sigh our sovereignty away............whaaaaaa whaaaaaaa whaaaaa.

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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2009, 01:11:05 PM »
SO THE FUCK WHAT?

Start another thread talking "cap and trade" then.  In the mean time, try and stay on the subject of the thread which is the CHICKEN LITTLE'S SAYING:

Obama is gonna sigh our sovereignty away............whaaaaaa whaaaaaaa whaaaaa.

Look, I dont trust any one of these assholes to do the right thing and think the more light that it shown on everything coming down the pike is a good thing. 

I prefer more info to less and let me decide what is CT and whats not. 


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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2009, 01:13:12 PM »
Ozmo, it's not CT.  This is a real document.  You can accuse people for taking it too far predicting that Obama will sign it but this proposal has been drafted...that's the scary part!

I am nearly certain Obama wouldn't sign it.  He and some on the liberal left may support it but it would be political suicide and he knows that.  Obama allows the left to push their agenda but he wants to remain president.

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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2009, 01:24:49 PM »
Look, I dont trust any one of these assholes to do the right thing and think the more light that it shown on everything coming down the pike is a good thing.  

I prefer more info to less and let me decide what is CT and whats not.  



  ;D Just for the record.....I said a side of CT.

If you want to know the truth, you must only deal in things that are true.  Fear Propaganda like this thread's title influences people to think emotionally instead of objectively effectively turning them into Chicken Little.

Quit it already.

I'm not saying there should be less info.  I'm saying that we should all be more discerning about the info we do get.  With as much research and passion you put into your campaign against the present administration I would think you could put up a more objective factual investigation into stuff like this.

I mean really, com 'on......"Obama signing over America's Sovereignty?"


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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2009, 01:26:55 PM »
Ozmo, it's not CT.  This is a real document.  You can accuse people for taking it too far predicting that Obama will sign it but this proposal has been drafted...that's the scary part!

I am nearly certain Obama wouldn't sign it.  He and some on the liberal left may support it but it would be political suicide and he knows that.  Obama allows the left to push their agenda but he wants to remain president.

I know it's not a CT.  That's why i said "Fear Propaganda" with CT on the side.


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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2009, 01:55:11 PM »
Yeah, just another CT article from the Wall Street Journal     ::)

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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2009, 01:59:54 PM »
Yeah, just another CT article from the Wall Street Journal     ::)

Can you read?  Or do i need to draw pictures for you?

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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2009, 02:05:27 PM »
Can you read?  Or do i need to draw pictures for you?

No to the green agenda!

btw:


I posted the new slayer album on this thread:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=304004.0

FUCKING CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!




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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2009, 02:07:18 PM »
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Can you read?  Or do i need to draw pictures for you?

Yeah, just another "Fear Propaganda" with CT on the side article from the Wall Street Journal     ::)

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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2009, 02:08:05 PM »
No to the green agenda!

btw:


I posted the new slayer album on this thread:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=304004.0

FUCKING CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!





Ahh yes,  I agree about the green scam,

And yes, and something we can all agree on:  SLAYER : )

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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2009, 02:13:22 PM »
Yeah, just another "Fear Propaganda" with CT on the side article from the Wall Street Journal     ::)

I guess you didn't excel in reading due to your liberal infested school system.

Where do i say
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"Fear Propaganda" with CT on the side article from the Wall Street Journal"

Show me where you READ that.  

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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2009, 02:14:41 PM »
Ahh yes,  I agree about the green scam,

And yes, and something we can all agree on:  SLAYER : )

This new album is the best since Seasons by far.  Unit 731 is up there with Angel of Death IMHO.

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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2009, 02:19:00 PM »
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I guess you didn't excel in reading due to your liberal infested school system.

Where do i say

Show me where you READ that. 

Hey asswhipe, I read it on here (above) your "Reply #34 on: Today at 01:26:55 PM »"
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I know it's not a CT.  That's why i said "Fear Propaganda" with CT on the side


The Article that Sampson posted on this thread is from the Wall Street Journal

Go back and re-read dip shit

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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2009, 02:28:43 PM »
Stuff like this is a bridge to far for the nutbag lefties...this is what Obama may want but he has to set the stage for treaties like this to be possible...well down the road. He's doing it now but the conservative backlash is coming. Conservatism won't look like it has in the past...some social issues will drop..but liberty, less government intrusion...fiscal responsibility etc will win out. The race in Virginia is proof positive of that. The Repub has dropped all the social topics and run on fiscal responsibility, taxes..industry etc and he's kicking ass. This is the key to victory. The evangelicals will have to get over it...
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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2009, 02:33:50 PM »
Hey asswhipe, these are your words (below) not mine

The text that Sampson posted on this thread is from the Wall Street Journal

Go back and re-read dip shit

Ahh James, reading not your strong suit eh?   The CT on the side is Samson, the Fear Propaganda is the Article.  I'd draw a picture but i don't feel like going through the trouble.  

Did you bother to read Samson's posts on the subject?  Did you watch the video?  Did you bother to read the timesonline article i posted that was written today on the subject?  Don't expect me to draw a picture for you on the timesonline article.

Why does your gut feel Obama will sign it?

I hope that you are right, and that he does not sign it,  but my gut feeling is that he will sign it.

Is it your anger towards Obama?  Is it your disdain for all things liberal?  Is it your neo-con programming?  Or is it you propensity to be influenced by FEAR PROPAGANDA?

What is it James?

Because it wouldn't matter if Obama signed it (other than committing self-political masochism).  Our constitution wasn't set up so one man could forfeit the basis of our country or make treaties with out congressional approval representative of the will of the people.  

Although, Obama did find a loop hole to it with the recent nuke treaty (revision).

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« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2009, 02:35:57 PM »
Barry can set the stage unless he's stopped. If u told US industry how OSHA and the Greenies would shit can what they do, 40 years ago, they would have laughed at u.
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« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2009, 02:40:56 PM »
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Ahh James, reading not your strong suit eh?   The CT on the side is Samson, the Fear Propaganda is the Article.  I'd draw a picture but i don't feel like going through the trouble.  

Did you bother to read Samson's posts on the subject?  Did you watch the video?  Did you bother to read the timesonline article i posted that was written today on the subject?  Don't expect me to draw a picture for you on the timesonline article.

Why does your gut feel Obama will sign it?

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I hope that you are right, and that he does not sign it,  but my gut feeling is that he will sign it.

Is it your anger towards Obama?  Is it your disdain for all things liberal?  Is it your neo-con programming?  Or is it you propensity to be influenced by FEAR PROPAGANDA?

What is it James?

Because it wouldn't matter if Obama signed it (other than committing self-political masochism).  Our constitution wasn't set up so one man could forfeit the basis of our country or make treaties with out congressional approval representative of the will of the people.  

Although, Obama did find a loop hole to it with the recent nuke treaty (revision).

Nice try you condescending Ass Hole

ShootFighter wrote " Ozmo, it's not CT.  This is a real document. "

Ozmo replied with   "I know it's not a CT.  That's why i said "Fear Propaganda" with CT on the side."


You wrote that in response to ShootFighter's message to you that this was a "real document"  
ShootFighters message to you did not mention anything about Sampson, yet you replied to him with "I know it's not a CT.  That's why i said "Fear Propaganda





Try again dip shit

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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2009, 02:47:40 PM »
Nice try you condesnding Ass Hole

You wrote  "I know it's not a CT.  That's why i said "Fear Propaganda" with CT on the side."
You wrote that in response to ShootFighter's message to you that this was a "real document"  
ShootFighers message to you did not mention anything about Sampson, yet you replied to him with "I know it's not a CT.  That's why i said "Fear Propaganda

Try again dip shit


HAHAHAHAHAHA   I did my best to sound condescending.


Shootfighters message didn't have to mention anything about Samson as i was addressing everything on the thread up to the point i posted.  And if you notice, Samson echoed my assertion in prime fashion afterwards. (not to mention, Samsons name/avitar is on the left side of the post  :D)

But really, what does your "gut" tell you?   :D

If i meant to single out the WSJ article as a CT I would have directly done so.  

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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2009, 02:53:01 PM »


ShootFighter wrote " Ozmo, it's not CT.  This is a real document. "

Ozmo replied with   "I know it's not a CT.  That's why i said "Fear Propaganda" with CT on the side."


Wow, i even say its not a CT, and you even quote me saying the document is not a CT,  yet that's not good enough for your gut is it?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2009, 02:58:13 PM »
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HAHAHAHAHAHA   I did my best to sound condescending.


Shootfighters message didn't have to mention anything about Samson as i was addressing everything on the thread up to the point i posted.  And if you notice, Samson echoed my assertion in prime fashion afterwards.

But really, what does your "gut" tell you.   Cheesy

If i meant to single out the WSJ article as a CT I would have directly done so.  

My reply was in response to you answering Shootfighter

ShootFighter wrote:
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Ozmo, it's not CT.  This is a real document.  You can accuse people for taking it too far predicting that Obama will sign it but this proposal has been drafted...that's the scary part!

I am nearly certain Obama wouldn't sign it.  He and some on the liberal left may support it but it would be political suicide and he knows that.  Obama allows the left to push their agenda but he wants to remain president.
Where does he mention Sampson in the above quote ?

then you replied with:
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I know it's not a CT.  That's why i said "Fear Propaganda" with CT on the side.




Keep trying to spin it,  as it really is a great effort on your part ::)