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Article from The Wall Street Journal

OCTOBER 28, 2009, 7:05 P.M. ET

Has Anyone Read the Copenhagen Agreement?
U.N. plans for a new 'government' are scary.


By JANET ALBRECHTSEN

We can only hope that world leaders will do nothing more than enjoy a pleasant bicycle ride around the charming streets of Copenhagen come December. For if they actually manage to wring out an agreement based on the current draft text of the Copenhagen climate-change treaty, the world is in for some nasty surprises. Draft text, you say? If you haven't heard about it, that's because none of our otherwise talkative political leaders have bothered to tell us what the drafters have already cobbled together for leaders to consider. And neither have the media.



Enter Lord Christopher Monckton. The former adviser to Margaret Thatcher gave an address at Bethel University in St. Paul, Minnesota, earlier this month that made quite a splash. For the first time, the public heard about the 181 pages, dated Sept. 15, that comprise the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change—a rough draft of what could be signed come December.

So far there have been more than a million hits on the YouTube post of his address. It deserves millions more because Lord Monckton warns that the aim of the Copenhagen draft treaty is to set up a transnational "government" on a scale the world has never before seen.

The "scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention" that starts on page 18 contains the provision for a "government." The aim is to give a new as yet unnamed U.N. body the power to directly intervene in the financial, economic, tax and environmental affairs of all the nations that sign the Copenhagen treaty.

The reason for the power grab is clear enough: Clause after complicated clause of the draft treaty requires developed countries to pay an "adaptation debt" to developing countries to supposedly support climate change mitigation. Clause 33 on page 39 says that "by 2020 the scale of financial flows to support adaptation in developing countries must be [at least $67 billion] or [in the range of $70 billion to $140 billion per year]."

And how will developed countries be slugged to provide for this financial flow to the developing world? The draft text sets out various alternatives, including option seven on page 135, which provides for "a [global] levy of 2 per cent on international financial market [monetary] transactions to Annex I Parties." Annex 1 countries are industrialized countries, which include among others the U.S., Australia, Britain and Canada.

To be sure, countries that sign international treaties always cede powers to a U.N. body responsible for implementing treaty obligations. But the difference is that this treaty appears to have been subject to unusual attempts to conceal its convoluted contents. And apart from the difficulty of trying to decipher the U.N. verbiage, there are plenty of draft clauses described as "alternatives" and "options" that should raise the ire of free and democratic countries concerned about preserving their sovereignty.

Lord Monckton himself only became aware of the extraordinary powers to be vested in this new world government when a friend found an obscure U.N. Web site and searched through several layers of hyperlinks before discovering a document that isn't even called the draft "treaty." Instead, it's labelled a "Note by the Secretariat."

Interviewed by broadcaster Alan Jones on Sydney radio Monday, Lord Monckton said "this is the first time I've ever seen any transnational treaty referring to a new body to be set up under that treaty as a 'government.' But it's the powers that are going to be given to this entirely unelected government that are so frightening." He added: "The sheer ambition of this new world government is enormous right from the start—that's even before it starts accreting powers to itself in the way that these entities inevitably always do."

Critics have admonished Lord Monckton for his colorful language. He has certainly been vigorous. In his exposé of the draft Copenhagen treaty in St. Paul, he warned Americans that "in the next few weeks, unless you stop it, your president will sign your freedom, your democracy and your prosperity away forever." Yet his critics fail to deal with the substance of what he says.

Ask yourself this question: Given that our political leaders spend hundreds of hours talking about climate change and the need for a global consensus in Copenhagen, why have none of them talked openly about the details of this draft climate-change treaty? After all, the final treaty will bind signatories for years to come. What exactly are they hiding? Thanks to Lord Monckton we now know something of their plans.

Janos Pasztor, director of the Secretary-General's Climate Change Support Team, told reporters in New York Monday that with the U.S. Congress yet to pass a climate-change bill, a global climate-change treaty is now an unlikely outcome in Copenhagen. Let's hope he is right. And thank you, America.

Ms. Albrechtsen is a columnist for the Australian.

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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2009, 05:57:22 AM »
Samson - why do you think I have been on a tear about the Cap & Trade scam lately? 

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2009, 06:00:13 AM »
Samson - why do you think I have been on a tear about the Cap & Trade scam lately? 

I know...I am just hitting those who refuse to believe and understand with information from many sources and in many ways in hopes everyone will open their eyes and see.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2009, 06:07:22 AM »
Samson, this is by far the best post you have ever had on here.  Honestly, I would have thought from your past postings that you would support such an idea. 



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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 06:27:31 AM »
Samson, this is by far the best post you have ever had on here.  Honestly, I would have thought from your past postings that you would support such an idea. 




You mean the TEN THOUSAND NWO post I have made and the constant posts about such people and groups like Bilderberg, Rockefellers, Wallenbergs, CFR, TRILATERAL etc did not make you aware that I was aware of what is coming in to play: world government, ressurection of Europe as the new world power, america being destroyed (essentially) and China being the new industrial powerhouse along with India with Africa adn South America supplying natural resources.......
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 06:34:02 AM »
I know...I am just hitting those who refuse to believe and understand with information from many sources and in many ways in hopes everyone will open their eyes and see.

You know what, half, or maybe 3/4 of the people around here think Im crazy, but they don't see the big picture of what is going on and fall for the MSM nonsense, diversions, and propaganda EVERY single fucking time! 

Just look at how many responses there are on the threads about Fox vs. Msnbc, Palin's baby, etc.

I have posted tons of threads showing exactly how Goldman Sachs and the Govt are preparing to anally rape us with this and yet, they care more about Maddows' ratings or Fox News' reporting.  I have posted threads about the exact language in the Cap & Trade bill and how it will regulate your home, create federal building codes, etc, yet, we have people like Straw and KC who still dont believe it. 

I have never seen it so bad in my life where you can literally show someone the facts, the language in these bills, the videos, etc, and they still refuse to accept the reality of what is afoot.       

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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2009, 06:37:13 AM »
I know...I am just hitting those who refuse to believe and understand with information from many sources and in many ways in hopes everyone will open their eyes and see.

Great post and great article.  We may not agree on everything, but we agree on the piece of shit U.N.

Once again...great find.

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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2009, 06:41:19 AM »
You mean the TEN THOUSAND NWO post I have made and the constant posts about such people and groups like Bilderberg, Rockefellers, Wallenbergs, CFR, TRILATERAL etc did not make you aware that I was aware of what is coming in to play: world government, ressurection of Europe as the new world power, america being destroyed (essentially) and China being the new industrial powerhouse along with India with Africa adn South America supplying natural resources.......

Honestly, I may have sold you short with the "demise" of America thing.  It always came across to me that you were almost happy about it and it turned me off to most, if not all, of your postings. 

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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2009, 09:42:37 AM »
Honestly, I may have sold you short with the "demise" of America thing.  It always came across to me that you were almost happy about it and it turned me off to most, if not all, of your postings. 

This is what I don't understand...When I said it was going to happen in america (and the rest of the world) you and those like you turned a deaf ear to me or labelled me CT, or tried to dimiss the facts I pushed. These were not my opinions based on what I felt...they were facts based on the FACTS of people like Schiff, Parks, Chapman, other financial analyist and government leaders, political maneuves etc. Now that so much has happened in america and the rest of the world to the point that CALAMITY is practically on everyones door...NOW YOU ALL BEGIN TO SEE. Sadly if there was something that could have been done..IT CAN'T BE NOW...why,  because all of that time wasted trying to convince EVERYONE that the "dam was breaking" has resulted in the dam now being too far gone to repair. The most you can all do now is wait for the fallout and hope you are not a casualty.
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Re: Read the Copenhagen Agreement? U.N. plans for a new 'government'
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2009, 09:49:03 AM »
This is what I don't understand...When I said it was going to happen in america (and the rest of the world) you and those like you turned a deaf ear to me or labelled me CT, or tried to dimiss the facts I pushed. These were not my opinions based on what I felt...they were facts based on the FACTS of people like Schiff, Parks, Chapman, other financial analyist and government leaders, political maneuves etc. Now that so much has happened in america and the rest of the world to the point that CALAMITY is practically on everyones door...NOW YOU ALL BEGIN TO SEE. Sadly if there was something that could have been done..IT CAN'T BE NOW...why,  because all of that time wasted trying to convince EVERYONE that the "dam was breaking" has resulted in the dam now being too far gone to repair. The most you can all do now is wait for the fallout and hope you are not a casualty.

I was laughed at by people on this board for shoring up my basic supplies in the house.  I could care less, worst case scenario is I have a few more items around the homestead to tide me over that will be hard to get in the event of hoarding.

Its not like i am going out and spending thousands a dollars a month on stuff.  Its more like a slow accumulation of stuff that will have a shelf life of 3 to five years and stuff that is rugged and durable.     

Books on food preparation and storage, Guns, ammo, basic supplies, water, batteries, radio, etc. 

 


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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2009, 10:56:42 AM »
I don't think Obama will sign this, but I absolutely think the media should be reporting this story.  People need to know this is on the table and that radical ideas are being proposed.
This is a complete 'world government' idea/agreement and is insane.  The fact that some world leaders crafted this insanity is horrifying...but it's real, not some exaggerated idea of what could happen.
We need to give less $ to the U.N.


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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2009, 11:05:25 AM »
I don't think Obama will sign this, but I absolutely think the media should be reporting this story.  People need to know this is on the table and that radical ideas are being proposed.
This is a complete 'world government' idea/agreement and is insane.  The fact that some world leaders crafted this insanity is horrifying...but it's real, not some exaggerated idea of what could happen.
We need to give less $ to the U.N.


why do you think Obama wouldn't.

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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 11:09:17 AM »
why do you think Obama wouldn't.

Hugo: 

The only reason i think we wont sign it is because he is afraid of the massive lsos he would suffer in the Senate over this mess. 

He has had a ton of embarassments lately and this would be yet another one. 

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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2009, 11:31:27 AM »
Quote
I don't think Obama will sign this, but I absolutely think the media should be reporting this story.  People need to know this is on the table and that radical ideas are being proposed.
This is a complete 'world government' idea/agreement and is insane.  The fact that some world leaders crafted this insanity is horrifying...but it's real, not some exaggerated idea of what could happen.
We need to give less $ to the U.N.

I hope that you are right, and that he does not sign it,  but my gut feeling is that he will sign it.

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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2009, 12:01:50 PM »
Signing something like that could cause a major uproar if not a outright revolution. 

Besides, I'm not sure, but doesn't he have to have congresses approval for something like that?

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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2009, 12:15:45 PM »
Political suicide.  Yes, would need to be ratified by congress I think.

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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2009, 12:23:55 PM »
Political suicide.  Yes, would need to be ratified by congress I think.

The American people aren't gonna stand for that. 

I think maybe then this is more "Fear Propaganda with a little CT spin on the side."

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2009, 12:34:59 PM »
Obama will sign it...You really think he went to Oslo or Coppenhagen Norway just to get some nonsensical Nobel Peace Prize.? He was briefed on what this was and is about and made aware that his signature (US ACCEPTANCE) is REQUIRED!!!!

Remember what the reason was for him getting the Nobel? Not that he had done anything...but because of "THE THINGS HE WOULD DO IN THE FUTURE". Well here is one of those future things...THe signing over of the US into this agreement of which there is no extricating america or any nation out of once done. There is a talk show called THE POWER HOUR where this very thing was being discussed a few days ago. From the tones of the Obama administration and leaders around the world, there has been no mention of US resistence in agreeing to this.

Essentially it is the final straw that welcomes in THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND GOVERNMENT.

OK you can all start denying it again, but the next few weeks will tell the tale.
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2009, 12:36:27 PM »
The American people aren't gonna stand for that. 

I think maybe then this is more "Fear Propaganda with a little CT spin on the side."

Ozmo - why do you think that they were trying to jam Cap & Trade through so fast?  

The teabaggers and town hallers were able to at least put some breaks on these freaks in the congress and they are bogged down in health care right now.  

***** wanted Cap & Trade done so he could go to Copenghagen and sign this mess.

Thankfully his plans are not working.  

For America to win, it is essential that Obama fails.  

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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2009, 12:39:47 PM »
Yah except Barry can sign anything he wants..the treaty still has to be ratified by Congress..no chance in hell of that happening.
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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2009, 12:42:13 PM »
Yah except Barry can sign anything he wants..the treaty still has to be ratified by Congress..no chance in hell of that happening.

That is why we need to keep the pressure on our reps.  Sure those in safe districts will go along with anything, but there are enough in the mid west and middle america who wont, thankfully. 

The only reason i think ***** may not sign this is to avoid a humliaiting defeat in the congress.  We all know he is the most vain president in our lifetime and probably does not want another defeat on his hands.   

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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2009, 12:42:23 PM »
Obama and the people he surrounds himself with are as far left as you can get, I truly believe they are radicals who have a mind set on doing this.


I hope I am wrong though.

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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2009, 12:44:10 PM »
Yah except Barry can sign anything he wants..the treaty still has to be ratified by Congress..no chance in hell of that happening.

Exactly!


Janos Pasztor, director of the Secretary-General's Climate Change Support Team, told reporters in New York Monday that with the U.S. Congress yet to pass a climate-change bill, a global climate-change treaty is now an unlikely outcome in Copenhagen. Let's hope he is right. And thank you, America.

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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2009, 12:47:08 PM »
That is why we need to keep the pressure on our reps.  Sure those in safe districts will go along with anything, but there are enough in the mid west and middle america who wont, thankfully. 

The only reason i think ***** may not sign this is to avoid a humliaiting defeat in the congress.  We all know he is the most vain president in our lifetime and probably does not want another defeat on his hands.   

Which goes back to what i suspect:  Fear propaganda with a side of CT.

He can't sign it, and even if he does, he'll get fried in congress, because his proponents will ape shit and get the American people fired up.

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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2009, 12:50:37 PM »
Which goes back to what i suspect:  Fear propaganda with a side of CT.

He can't sign it, and even if he does, he'll get fried in congress, because his proponents will ape shit and get the American people fired up.

Yeah buy you know what, at least we know the things that are going on, whether they are likely to be signed or not. 

But for the Senate confirmationprocess, we all know Obama would have no problem signing on to this.