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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: TooPowerful4u on December 18, 2007, 08:48:48 PM
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Seems to me people like SF and the rest of you cant make up your minds.
First off..... you make a lot of posts making fun of the guys who admittedly run massive cycles and dont get great results .I can agree with you, you do point out alot of guys who use drugs and dont look like it at all. If you arent going to have proper diet, training, and recovery...you obviously dont know the basis of fitness, so you have no business using steroids. This TRULY reinstates the fact that steroids are not a miracle drug and do not produce insane results without the things that are so much more important (training, diet, recovery). ANALOGY...if you put a bunch of workers on a site (steroids) that dont know SHIT about construction (training) and dont have alot of materials to build with (nutrition)....that is gonna be one shitty house.
NEXT....you like to call alot of guys out as "all drugs". Well according to your other posts, drugs dont work miracles....so how can someone be "all drugs"? You completely niglect the fact that they probably have all the other more important aspects of bodybuilding in line first and foremost before steroids.....
So which is it? You cant keep contradicting yourselves. Give me a mature and REAL answer here for ONCE.. i know you are all capable.. and SF im asking you to be an adult and give me a real response with your honest thoughts and input. DO DRUGS DO ALL THE WORK AND DO THEY HAVE THAT SUPERIOR POWER OR NOT?
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Someone has missed out completely on the paradox that is the G&O.
Jason
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Seems to me people like SF and the rest of you cant make up your minds.
First off..... you make a lot of posts making fun of the guys who admittedly run massive cycles and dont get great results .I can agree with you, you do point out alot of guys who use drugs and dont look like it at all. If you arent going to have proper diet, training, and recovery...you obviously dont know the basis of fitness, so you have no business using steroids. This TRULY reinstates the fact that steroids are not a miracle drug and do not produce insane results without the things that are so much more important (training, diet, recovery). ANALOGY...if you put a bunch of workers on a site (steroids) that dont know SHIT about construction (training) and dont have alot of materials to build with (nutrition)....that is gonna be one shitty house.
NEXT....you like to call alot of guys out as "all drugs". Well according to your other posts, drugs dont work miracles....so how can someone be "all drugs"? You completely niglect the fact that they probably have all the other more important aspects of bodybuilding in line first and foremost before steroids.....
So which is it? You cant keep contradicting yourselves. Give me a mature and REAL answer here for ONCE.. i know you are all capable.. and SF im asking you to be an adult and give me a real response with your honest thoughts and input. DO DRUGS DO ALL THE WORK AND DO THEY HAVE THAT SUPERIOR POWER OR NOT?
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you take the internet wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too seriously. :-\
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Translation: I want to juice. Should I?
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Way too much logic in that post to merit a response.
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Way too much logic in that post to merit a response.
lol you could be right
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Seems to me people like SF and the rest of you cant make up your minds.
First off..... you make a lot of posts making fun of the guys who admittedly run massive cycles and dont get great results .I can agree with you, you do point out alot of guys who use drugs and dont look like it at all. If you arent going to have proper diet, training, and recovery...you obviously dont know the basis of fitness, so you have no business using steroids. This TRULY reinstates the fact that steroids are not a miracle drug and do not produce insane results without the things that are so much more important (training, diet, recovery). ANALOGY...if you put a bunch of workers on a site (steroids) that dont know SHIT about construction (training) and dont have alot of materials to build with (nutrition)....that is gonna be one shitty house.
NEXT....you like to call alot of guys out as "all drugs". Well according to your other posts, drugs dont work miracles....so how can someone be "all drugs"? You completely niglect the fact that they probably have all the other more important aspects of bodybuilding in line first and foremost before steroids.....
So which is it? You cant keep contradicting yourselves. Give me a mature and REAL answer here for ONCE.. i know you are all capable.. and SF im asking you to be an adult and give me a real response with your honest thoughts and input. DO DRUGS DO ALL THE WORK AND DO THEY HAVE THAT SUPERIOR POWER OR NOT?
hahahaha you said "niglect" ;D
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hahahaha you said "niglect" ;D
LOL, I didn't catch that...that is pretty funny!
To answer you "TooPowerful4u" there is no answer because the people you're referring to typically do not have a understanding of things like diet and training...much less steroids.
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Genetics
Genetics
Genetics
Genetics
Genetics
Genetics
Genetics
Genetics
Hope this helps
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Translation: I want to juice. Should I?
lol. thats about it
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I know the dealer for the whole area Juice,HGH,Slin from him i know everybodys cycle in my old gym and it allways came down to GENETICS
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talk about avoiding a question lol
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Seems to me people like SF and the rest of you cant make up your minds.
First off..... you make a lot of posts making fun of the guys who admittedly run massive cycles and dont get great results .I can agree with you, you do point out alot of guys who use drugs and dont look like it at all. If you arent going to have proper diet, training, and recovery...you obviously dont know the basis of fitness, so you have no business using steroids. This TRULY reinstates the fact that steroids are not a miracle drug and do not produce insane results without the things that are so much more important (training, diet, recovery). ANALOGY...if you put a bunch of workers on a site (steroids) that dont know SHIT about construction (training) and dont have alot of materials to build with (nutrition)....that is gonna be one shitty house.
NEXT....you like to call alot of guys out as "all drugs". Well according to your other posts, drugs dont work miracles....so how can someone be "all drugs"? You completely niglect the fact that they probably have all the other more important aspects of bodybuilding in line first and foremost before steroids.....
So which is it? You cant keep contradicting yourselves. Give me a mature and REAL answer here for ONCE.. i know you are all capable.. and SF im asking you to be an adult and give me a real response with your honest thoughts and input. DO DRUGS DO ALL THE WORK AND DO THEY HAVE THAT SUPERIOR POWER OR NOT?
of course they don't do all the work, a bottle of testosterone has never lifted a single pound on it's own.....BTW did you post the 405 barbell incline video yet?
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of course they don't do all the work, a bottle of testosterone has never lifted a single pound on it's own.....BTW did you post the 405 barbell incline video yet?
Not going to post it on here any time soon until you put your screen name up as suggested....if you REALLY want to see it, and you are that obsessed with me that you keep asking, you can always follow me over to my home board and view it there ;)
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Not going to post it on here any time soon until you put your screen name up as suggested....if you REALLY want to see it, and you are that obsessed with me that you keep asking, you can always follow me over to my home board and view it there ;)
you're the one who made the claim stud, i'm just calling you on it, i'll stop asking now because it's obvious that you're lying, have a nice day. :D
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2p4u....you are wasting your time here.:) thougt id chime i and say......just cause people juice doesnt mean they dont train hard or diet hard. the juicers who look good will still look god off the juice. they just dont have that "full look" so the all drugs comments are made by either fat asses or skinny pencil necks who are jelous and will NEVER tap out their full potential naturaly. and they are scared to stick a needle in their ass. lol(puss) but anyways....ive seen a lot of pics here from people who look absolute shit and have the balls to bash other people. now before you all start pissin and moaning who am i??? this is me!!!
Lucian
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Ive seen how strong 2p4u is....dont provoke him. he wil crush you!!!!! untill you have proof you can out lift him, or proof you look better than hm, you have no place fuckin with him.
lucian
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2p4u....you are wasting your time here.:) thougt id chime i and say......just cause people juice doesnt mean they dont train hard or diet hard. the juicers who look good will still look god off the juice. they just dont have that "full look" so the all drugs comments are made by either fat asses or skinny pencil necks who are jelous and will NEVER tap out their full potential naturaly. and they are scared to stick a needle in their ass. lol(puss) but anyways....ive seen a lot of pics here from people who look absolute shit and have the balls to bash other people. now before you all start pissin and moaning who am i??? this is me!!!
Lucian
good physique dude.
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Thanks man. i appreciate it.
lucian
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why the pics are so tiny?
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why the pics are so tiny?
you're not exactly tiny yourself Mars.
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why you want a poster size for your wall??lol thats just how they are saved. here are a few from the 2007 lehigh valley where i got 2nd in the heavywt. there re more on musculardevelopment.com
lucian
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damn good build, bring those legs up a bunch and you could win the Nationals.
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Seems to me people like SF and the rest of you cant make up your minds.
First off..... you make a lot of posts making fun of the guys who admittedly run massive cycles and dont get great results .I can agree with you, you do point out alot of guys who use drugs and dont look like it at all. If you arent going to have proper diet, training, and recovery...you obviously dont know the basis of fitness, so you have no business using steroids. This TRULY reinstates the fact that steroids are not a miracle drug and do not produce insane results without the things that are so much more important (training, diet, recovery). ANALOGY...if you put a bunch of workers on a site (steroids) that dont know SHIT about construction (training) and dont have alot of materials to build with (nutrition)....that is gonna be one shitty house.
NEXT....you like to call alot of guys out as "all drugs". Well according to your other posts, drugs dont work miracles....so how can someone be "all drugs"? You completely niglect the fact that they probably have all the other more important aspects of bodybuilding in line first and foremost before steroids.....
So which is it? You cant keep contradicting yourselves. Give me a mature and REAL answer here for ONCE.. i know you are all capable.. and SF im asking you to be an adult and give me a real response with your honest thoughts and input. DO DRUGS DO ALL THE WORK AND DO THEY HAVE THAT SUPERIOR POWER OR NOT?
The two concepts aren't mutually exclusive 'TooPowerful4U'. Just because some people have a genetic pre-disposition to blow up to a gargantuan size on steroids, even without absolutely perfect nutrition and training, doesn't mean we can't also have other people that take a lot of gear and still look terrible.
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damn good build, bring those legs up a bunch and you could win the Nationals.
thats what the judges say too. my back and quads. those two bodyparts take time so thats mymain goal now. then the 2009 jr nationals.
lucian
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Ok an explanation at last....
ALL DRUGS means drugs are the only reason they are 250+ and they would be 180-200 without them...
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who cares if they use drugs??? its part of ALL pro sports. and many amature sports as well. we dont need anyone pointing out that people use drugs. thats the whole point of challanging the comment"all drugs". didnt your mommy tell you if you dont have anything nice to say.....dont say anything? how bout,"" he uses drugs BUT has worked his ass off just as much as everyone else has." you dont even know how much he takes. cutler actualy does use less than people think. so do and did a few other pros i know personaly. theres lotsa guys using a ton of shit, and look lik shit. so bottome line...NOBODY IS ALL DRUGS!!!! but pople who couldnt reah their goal say well it is cuz im natural....that guy is all drugs. meanwhile the guy using gear is training all the time, dieting and getting all his supplements. doing everything right. cances are the natural guy who bitches is fucking everything up.
lucian
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2p4u....you are wasting your time here.:) thougt id chime i and say......just cause people juice doesnt mean they dont train hard or diet hard. the juicers who look good will still look god off the juice. they just dont have that "full look" so the all drugs comments are made by either fat asses or skinny pencil necks who are jelous and will NEVER tap out their full potential naturaly. and they are scared to stick a needle in their ass. lol(puss) but anyways....ive seen a lot of pics here from people who look absolute shit and have the balls to bash other people. now before you all start pissin and moaning who am i??? this is me!!!
Lucian
you look fucking great !
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who cares if they use drugs??? its part of ALL pro sports. and many amature sports as well. we dont need anyone pointing out that people use drugs. thats the whole point of challanging the comment"all drugs". didnt your mommy tell you if you dont have anything nice to say.....dont say anything? how bout,"" he uses drugs BUT has worked his ass off just as much as everyone else has." you dont even know how much he takes. cutler actualy does use less than people think. so do and did a few other pros i know personaly. theres lotsa guys using a ton of shit, and look lik shit. so bottome line...NOBODY IS ALL DRUGS!!!! but pople who couldnt reah their goal say well it is cuz im natural....that guy is all drugs. meanwhile the guy using gear is training all the time, dieting and getting all his supplements. doing everything right. cances are the natural guy who bitches is fucking everything up.
lucian
meltdown
no offense ;D
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who cares if they use drugs??? its part of ALL pro sports. and many amature sports as well.
lucian
The media will make sure this doesn't get to all the fans out there ;D
They will let them think drug tests are very effective, and that "cheaters" will be caught.
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First off..... you make a lot of posts making fun of the guys who admittedly run massive cycles and dont get great results .I can agree with you, you do point out alot of guys who use drugs and dont look like it at all. If you arent going to have proper diet, training, and recovery...you obviously dont know the basis of fitness, so you have no business using steroids. This TRULY reinstates the fact that steroids are not a miracle drug and do not produce insane results without the things that are so much more important (training, diet, recovery). ANALOGY...if you put a bunch of workers on a site (steroids) that dont know SHIT about construction (training) and dont have alot of materials to build with (nutrition)....that is gonna be one shitty house.
Drugs can vary.
Testosterone produced by Pfizer is going to different from some underground lab stuff. But your points about diet and training are valid.
The most important thing is genetics.
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The media will make sure this doesn't get to all the fans out there ;D
They will let them think drug tests are very effective, and that "cheaters" will be caught.
i dont car about te media we all know they suck. im talkin about here on get big. so many like to bash and point out peoples shrt commings, why not tell them some good things about them. sevatese...well he does have some things to say but all in all he has a fair physique. pro level? no, so on that note he shouldnt be bashing anyone. i know you guys have fun but why not just realiz we are all the same. you me allof us. we bust are asses, eat the best we can, and do the best w can. we all have short commings. some will ay this is the getbig term "meltdown" but your not used to people having "good opinions" just bashing. im not saying anything bad about anyone,
heres my view
SF overall you have good mass, not to sure of symetry cuz of the pics. now honestly, if you leaned out you would do great in a show.
sevatese...need more mass. just eat more.
mike arivilla...conditioning man thats it.
im not bashing you guys just giving my opinion. thats all it is.
as for the people who post im having a melt down....post some pics? have you placed in a show? what level are you?
what gains have you made? what do you really know about the sport?
im not farmilliar with all of you but ill be around and look forward to learning from you and helping if i can. thats what its all about. helping each other.
lucain
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This is how much steroids worked for a 22 year old girl:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181685.0;attach=216438;image)
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Here is another pic from the 2007 pittsburgh championships. 8th place. i flattened out and missed my peak. this is what i look like in shitty shape.
lucian
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This is how much steroids worked for a 22 year old girl:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=181685.0;attach=216438;image)
well she is a bodybuilder. so i think she looks great!!!! if you dont like it dont look! but hey you are on a bodybuilding site. some may say she looks like shit, lets see.....muscular, vascular, massive and good shape= a good bodybuilder!!! do you know she took gear? i know a girl who everyone swears takes stuff, but she doesnt. so unless you date her or are related to this girl in th pick, dont point fingers. why dont you post a pic? lets ee how you look champ!!
lucian
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Someone can be a lifelong natural, look decent...then you have some overnight hardon guys come to the gym and within 2 years blow the lifelong natty out of the water....but this is both training, eating right-
If you use and dont do all the other things, then its worthless.
But if you are life long natural in late 20s early 30s with decent genetics and that solid base, this person can expect awesome results imho.
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im talkin about here on get big. so many like to bash and point out peoples shrt commings, why not tell them some good things about them.
Sure, it gets very harsh here all the time, but on the other hand it's easier to get the truth here - what people really think about your physique. For example, on the other board I've seen you post on you will not always hear what people are really thinking. You may say that you "spilled over" at your show and everyone will agree publicly while thinking you still had plenty of fat to lose. That's a disservice, don't you think?
Excessive ass kissing is way worse than excessive flaming IMO.
Take Arvilla. He thought he would weigh in at way over 200lbs ripped to the bone. The experienced ones here knew he would weigh less than that. On other boards he would have had his ass kissed and everyone would have "agreed" that he could weigh in at 230lbs or something. Getbig probably had a lot to do with him actually coming in in fantastic shape.
Lucian, next show you do post your precontest pics here for evaluation and you will get much better feedback.
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Here is another pic from the 2007 pittsburgh championships. 8th place. i flattened out and missed my peak. this is what i look like in shitty shape.
lucian
This is what I was talking about in my post. You didn't just "miss your peak". Let's be real, you had a few weeks to go still.
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This is what I was talking about in my post. You didn't just "miss your peak". Let's be real, you had a few weeks to go still.
3 weeks later i went up a wt class and got 2nd. i didnt spill over, i just didnt carb up enough. even the night befrore i looked so much better. and 2 days after??? i was so much better. so yes i missed it. i took aldactone which was a mistake and made impossible to carb up. i now know you have to be carbed up before the aldactone. here is another pic from 3 weeks later. no aldactone use. but since you are giving advice....lets see how you look! if you wana talk the talk....then lets see if you can walk the walk. do you compete? what do you weigh? lets see all that potential that oozes out of you!!!
lucian
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Someone can be a lifelong natural, look decent...then you have some overnight hardon guys come to the gym and within 2 years blow the lifelong natty out of the water....but this is both training, eating right-
If you use and dont do all the other things, then its worthless.
But if you are life long natural in late 20s early 30s with decent genetics and that solid base, this person can expect awesome results imho.
bbing is like all other pro sports. there are drugs involved. now there ar natty leauges, so they are more fair. do people juice and pass the tests? yes but every sport is the same. you gotta do what you gotta do. if you are not willing to lay it all on the line then dont compete. theres nothing wrong w bbing just to be on great shape....but competition is hard and even if you dont like the the way it is its just how it is.
but both natty and non natty guys still get the same thing...the best body they can have,.its just apples and oranges.
lucian
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3 weeks later i went up a wt class and got 2nd. i didnt spill over, i just didnt carb up enough. here is another pic from 3 weels later. but since you are giving advice....lets see how you look! if you wana talk the talk....then lets see if you can walk the walk. do you compete? what do you weigh? lets see all that potential that oozes out of you!!!
lucian
You are missing the point and responding with emotion! It doesn't matter what I look like. I'm not dissing you, I'm not saying you look like shit, I'm just saying you would look even better if you lost that last bit of fat. Would you not take the praise from someone who doesn't have pics posted?
What was you name? I'll see if I can find the bigger pics of you on MD. Let's see what the others here think.
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do you know she took gear?
Thats a stupid fucking question ::)
Take a look at Levrone or Tom Prince, theres your huge, giant juice monsters off the sauce.
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My name is jerry ward. theres pics from both shows on there. i dont take praise nor disses from people who dont know what they are taliking about. someone who doesnt do the sport shoudnt be giving advice on competition. kinda like hiring a fat personal traininer. if he cant do it for himself...how can he do it himself? missing your peak can be holding water, flattning out, and wrong use of diuretics.
heres another pic. by the way over use of jan tanna gel makes you look smoother. which i also did. but i am not claming i was in great shape for the show. but i looked better the next day and the night before the show. if it was just simply being out of shape that wouldnt have happened. but 3 weeks latter i proved the shape i could come in.
lucian
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What does everyone here think? Too many carbs, too few carbs? Did he "miss his peak" by last minute fuck
up?
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/QW5Q4772_XHTNHPRJJX.jpg)
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/QW5Q4780_ETGYLJDXFR.jpg)
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Thats a stupid fucking question ::)
Take a look at Levrone or Tom Prince, theres your huge, giant juice monsters off the sauce.
right but its not right to bash her for it! who are we to bash or make fun of her? who care what they look like? do they mess w you? so why bust their balls?
lucian
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also thes pics had bad lighting. look at all the pics from the show. everyone looked much harder in person. even the class winners didnt look that great in the pics. check them for yourselvs @ musculardevelopment.com
lucian
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also thes pics had bad lighting. look at all the pics from the show. everyone looked much harder in person. even the class winners didnt look that great in the pics. check them for yourselvs @ musculardevelopment.com
lucian
You look leaner and drier here. The winner is leaner than you though. Another 5-10lbs off and you might have won, who knows. How much less did you weigh here compared to the other show?
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_0313_ZMQSVZDSMD.jpg)
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You look leaner and drier here. The winner is leaner than you though. Another 5-10lbs off and you might have won, who knows. How much less did you weigh here compared to the other show?
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/IMG_0313_ZMQSVZDSMD.jpg)
in this pic i was 5 lb heavier!!! not lighter!!! i gained 5 lb in 3 weeks and came in tight , dry and bigger. i was 197@ the pitt. 202lb@the lehigh. i got a bad flu 2 weeks before the pitt and lost 12 lb. i only did drinks as i couldnt eat. so when i got to eat again i gained the muscle back and had better control over my body. i definitly noticed how the aldactone messed me up. it all went don hill in the 24hr after taking it.
lucian
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in this pic i was 5 lb heavier!!! not lighter!!! i gained 5 lb in 3 weeks and came in tight , dry and bigger. i was 197@ the pitt. 202lb@the lehigh. i got a bad flu 2 weeks before the pitt and lost 12 lb. i only did drinks as i couldnt eat. so when i got to eat again i gained the muscle back and had better control over my body. i definitly noticed how the aldactone messed me up. it all went don hill in the 24hr after taking it.
lucian
if you look close.....my waist is smaller, and my obliques and serratus are leaner. my chest is harder, my arms are just plain better, and calves......@19" not too may guys beat me there. he beat me with his legs. thats what the judges said. many said they like my look better but the legs were too much to compete with. thats been my goal. after the show ive ben focusing on my legs mainly my quads. slowl they are getting better.
lucian
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ok heres the lehigh pics. im in the heavwt class @202lb. now there were poses i had him on but....not the legs. his legs were not bigger but had great seperation. the awards were the noght show where i began to flatten out and he tightned up. the others are from prejudging.
lucian
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2p4u....you are wasting your time here. thougt id chime i and say......just cause people juice doesnt mean they dont train hard or diet hard. the juicers who look good will still look god off the juice. they just dont have that "full look" so the all drugs comments are made by either fat asses or skinny pencil necks who are jelous and will NEVER tap out their full potential naturaly. and they are scared to stick a needle in their ass. lol(puss) but anyways....ive seen a lot of pics here from people who look absolute shit and have the balls to bash other people. now before you all start pissin and moaning who am i??? this is me!!!
Lucian
You have some good points, but let's face it, most people who juice just can't hack it naturally. The competing thing is just a major crutch to give their extreme drug usage some kind of validation or greater purpose than what it actually is, a drug problem.
Acting as if, "you need to do what you have to, in order to win" is just a sad way of thinking...at least when it comes to competing in bodybuilding for pennies. Unless, you're doing a show you're going to win 50 grand for 1st place, why would you dump thousands on gear/gh for a $500 purse?
Let's just call it what it is, drug abuse, nothing more.
I myself did a cycle back in the day, but didn't try to make it something it wasn't, a drug problem...ahah Look around gyms, getting a little size on some gear is laughable. The reason why most don't do it naturally, is very simple...they can't.
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Lucian, you are one huge dude!!! What show will you hit next??
your brother in Christ,
Lucky
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You have some good points, but let's face it, most people who juice just can't hack it naturally. The competing thing is just a major crutch to give their extreme drug usage some kind of validation or greater purpose than what it actually is, a drug problem.
Acting as if, "you need to do what you have to, in order to win" is just a sad way of thinking...at least when it comes to competing in bodybuilding for pennies. Unless, you're doing a show you're going to win 50 grand for 1st place, why would you dump thousands on gear/gh for a $500 purse?
Let's just call it what it is, drug abuse, nothing more.
I myself did a cycle back in the day, but didn't try to make it something it wasn't, a drug problem...ahah Look around gyms, getting a little size on some gear is laughable. The reason why most don't do it naturally, is very simple...they can't.
They can hack it "naturally" but would prefer to actually look like they workout without taking off their shirt or wearing a wife beater. Remember, juicers tend to be the most intelligent of all drug users.
You seem pretty bitter against steroid users. I mean what's it to you if others want to pursue something, even if it's stupid? It's a free country. And you're a fucking hypocrite considering you juiced yourself before.
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Xmas shopping all day..come home and this thread got legs....
Lucian you look good bro. You have made big improvements in the last 2yrs and im sure there is plenty more to come. You dont have to prove yourself to this board...most are going to hate on you even if you look like Flex Wheeler you cant win. I only come on here for jokes and to fuck with them. Even my picture posting is to make their arguements look futile...its all fun and games because they are mostly jokes on here. Dont take this place seriously....if you want an honest physique critique...PM big A...he will put yo ass in your place like he did me this year... and he turned out 110% correct on ALL accounts. Go on MD for a full honest critique and you will get one there as well. Promus is a little too kind for that sort of thing.
As for the rest of you...nobody came out and answered my question. The same people that say "all drugs" are the same ones who joke on the big juicers for lack of results... so which is it? You guys contradict yourselves left and right.
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im talkin about here on get big. so many like to bash and point out peoples shrt commings, why not tell them some good things about them.
Were you not held enough as a child? Man up you fucken pussy.
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Seems "Lucyann" has taken over this thread with his rampant meltdowns.
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They can hack it "naturally" but would prefer to actually look like they workout without taking off their shirt or wearing a wife beater. Remember, juicers tend to be the most intelligent of all drug users.
You seem pretty bitter against steroid users. I mean what's it to you if others want to pursue something, even if it's stupid? It's a free country. And you're a fucking hypocrite considering you juiced yourself before.
Yeah, see I'd disagree there. I'd say most who juice probably never even put on 30lbs of mass naturally before. Being the most intelligent among all drug users is some title to hold. ::) I see it all the time, the "hardcore" lifting image. Usually guys who gear up and can't do jack without it. Trust me, most people can't do squat naturally, it's a crutch, nothing more. Competing validates the drug use. "Well, I juice..but only cause I wan't to be the best." haha, come on. What the best juicer amongst other middle aged men with a juice problem? It's pathetic, sorry.
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Yeah, see I'd disagree there. I'd say most who juice probably never even put on 30lbs of mass naturally before. Being the most intelligent among all drug users is some title to hold. ::) I see it all the time, the "hardcore" lifting image. Usually guys who gear up and can't do jack without it. Trust me, most people can't do squat naturally, it's a crutch, nothing more. Competing validates the drug use. "Well, I juice..but only cause I wan't to be the best." haha, come on. What the best juicer amongst other middle aged men with a juice problem? It's pathetic, sorry.
Your hating on people who make the choice to use certain things is pathetic. Their superiority to you brings about jealousy. You want everyone to know that the ONLY reason they look better than you is juice. You NEED everyone to know that excuse. You are not secure in yourself. People like Layne Norton (who by the way would wreck you in the gym) are better natural bodybuilders than you could ever be, and he doesnt hate on juicers. WHY? Becuase hes confident in himself and waht he does. By the way... i put on almost 30lbs naturally in my first 6-9months of real bodybuilding at 18-19yrs old....so there goes that theory. Call it beginner results or what you will, it happened. Stop hating on people. Your jealousy is sickening.
You say juicers cant hack it? I say even if you DO juice up, you will never be on most good bb's level anyway. You would never be able to place top 15 in a national show. So hate all you want, without juice you are not in the top calibur of naturals...and with it you will never be in the top calibur of juicers.... be happy with your mediocre life ;) This isnt just aimed at croach, but most of you anti-juicers of the board as well....
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Your hating on people who make the choice to use certain things is pathetic. Their superiority to you brings about jealousy. You want everyone to know that the ONLY reason they look better than you is juice. You NEED everyone to know that excuse. You are not secure in yourself. People like Layne Norton (who by the way would wreck you in the gym) are better natural bodybuilders than you could ever be, and he doesnt hate on juicers. WHY? Becuase hes confident in himself and waht he does. By the way... i put on almost 30lbs naturally in my first 6-9months of real bodybuilding at 18-19yrs old....so there goes that theory. Call it beginner results or what you will, it happened. Stop hating on people. Your jealousy is sickening.
You say juicers cant hack it? I say even if you DO juice up, you will never be on most good bb's level anyway. You would never be able to place top 15 in a national show. So hate all you want, without juice you are not in the top calibur of naturals...and with it you will never be in the top calibur of juicers.... be happy with your mediocre life ;) This isnt just aimed at croach, but most of you anti-juicers of the board as well....
"oh brother"
Epic Meltdown of cosmic proportions ::)
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"oh brother"
Epic Meltdown of cosmic proportions ::)
You forgot to change accounts... ;)
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Your hating on people who make the choice to use certain things is pathetic. Their superiority to you brings about jealousy. You want everyone to know that the ONLY reason they look better than you is juice. You NEED everyone to know that excuse. You are not secure in yourself. People like Layne Norton (who by the way would wreck you in the gym) are better natural bodybuilders than you could ever be, and he doesnt hate on juicers. WHY? Becuase hes confident in himself and waht he does. By the way... i put on almost 30lbs naturally in my first 6-9months of real bodybuilding at 18-19yrs old....so there goes that theory. Call it beginner results or what you will, it happened. Stop hating on people. Your jealousy is sickening.
You say juicers cant hack it? I say even if you DO juice up, you will never be on most good bb's level anyway. You would never be able to place top 15 in a national show. So hate all you want, without juice you are not in the top calibur of naturals...and with it you will never be in the top calibur of juicers.... be happy with your mediocre life ;) This isnt just aimed at croach, but most of you anti-juicers of the board as well....
In my other posts, I never state ALL. Most...keyword there. Also, most people don't look that great on gear or even better than me, so that makes it hard to be jealous, right? In fact, I usually laugh at most juicers because they look like trash and only magnify their already horrid genetics. You must be mistaking me for the 160lbs natural/clean guy who gets mad cause juicers are bigger and look better than he does. It's usually the other way around boss.
There are many natural guys out there who dust me, I just rarely see them in any gym I go to.
Putting on 30lbs at the age of 18 is insane. You're one of the few, congratulations. Most can't do jack shit without their happy pills and fun needles. ;D They know it, I'm just hear to help them along. ;)
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Your hating on people who make the choice to use certain things is pathetic. Their superiority to you brings about jealousy. You want everyone to know that the ONLY reason they look better than you is juice. You NEED everyone to know that excuse. You are not secure in yourself. People like Layne Norton (who by the way would wreck you in the gym) are better natural bodybuilders than you could ever be, and he doesnt hate on juicers. WHY? Becuase hes confident in himself and waht he does. By the way... i put on almost 30lbs naturally in my first 6-9months of real bodybuilding at 18-19yrs old....so there goes that theory. Call it beginner results or what you will, it happened. Stop hating on people. Your jealousy is sickening.
You say juicers cant hack it? I say even if you DO juice up, you will never be on most good bb's level anyway. You would never be able to place top 15 in a national show. So hate all you want, without juice you are not in the top calibur of naturals...and with it you will never be in the top calibur of juicers.... be happy with your mediocre life ;) This isnt just aimed at croach, but most of you anti-juicers of the board as well....
Some of mister nortons fellow competitors (and maybe himself) do like a lot of insuline/hgh and small test. dosages.
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lucain looks arvilla on roids, and he has bigger EGO than mike
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does Test inflate ego aswell? ???
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Do steroids work or not?
No, they don't. ::)
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funny all you guy who bash have hundreds of posts....wheres th pics? someone who doesnt do this sport, or thats a crtified npc/ifbb judge has no place bashing people. as for ego???yeah right thats why i posted pics of my self @ less than 100%. funny many of you talk the talk but......do you walk? man up huh? funny im nice to people so im a puss? hey thats fine im happy with that. its funny i have not been aggressive at all here, even complemented some of you guys and you bash away. hey thats cool , im not sure why you guys ar so angry but im pretty sure its cuz you are falling short of your goals. drug addiction?? in away the diet and the training are an addiction too. many thngs in life can be an addiction. i dont make the rules i just play by them. and yes the rules state in our sport(unofficial) drugs are used. so if i didnt like it....i wouldnt compete. so think im havin a meltdown? ok im melting.....
lucian
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Lucian, you are one huge dude!!! What show will you hit next??
your brother in Christ,
Lucky
heyyyy you are here to?
gona bypass the jr nats and usa this year and go back to the lehigh to try and win it. just going to do my best. hopefully i can come in a few lb heavier, and my legs and back are better.
god bless
Lucian
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Yeah, see I'd disagree there. I'd say most who juice probably never even put on 30lbs of mass naturally before. Being the most intelligent among all drug users is some title to hold. ::) I see it all the time, the "hardcore" lifting image. Usually guys who gear up and can't do jack without it. Trust me, most people can't do squat naturally, it's a crutch, nothing more. Competing validates the drug use. "Well, I juice..but only cause I wan't to be the best." haha, come on. What the best juicer amongst other middle aged men with a juice problem? It's pathetic, sorry.
you have a good point. i trained for years natty. then when i maxed out went to the next step. as for now i am natural, 238lb, and my strength has drepped but am still @ about 80% of what i was when i juiced. i do think people should give it a good 3-4 years natty before taking the leap. other wise when you go off you will loose a lot of the gains.
lucian
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synthol
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2p4u....you are wasting your time here.:) thougt id chime i and say......just cause people juice doesnt mean they dont train hard or diet hard. the juicers who look good will still look god off the juice. they just dont have that "full look" so the all drugs comments are made by either fat asses or skinny pencil necks who are jelous and will NEVER tap out their full potential naturaly. and they are scared to stick a needle in their ass. lol(puss) but anyways....ive seen a lot of pics here from people who look absolute shit and have the balls to bash other people. now before you all start pissin and moaning who am i??? this is me!!!
Lucian
You got a good natural physique bro.
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You got a good natural physique bro.
thank you. its funny cuz i look the same as i did when i was 19 but everything is bigger, people dont realize drugs dont make up for bad structure, if you dont have a good look before juce you wont have a good look after.
lucian
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funny all you guy who bash have hundreds of posts....wheres th pics? someone who doesnt do this sport, or thats a crtified npc/ifbb judge has no place bashing people. as for ego???yeah right thats why i posted pics of my self @ less than 100%. funny many of you talk the talk but......do you walk? man up huh? funny im nice to people so im a puss? hey thats fine im happy with that. its funny i have not been aggressive at all here, even complemented some of you guys and you bash away. hey thats cool , im not sure why you guys ar so angry but im pretty sure its cuz you are falling short of your goals. drug addiction?? in away the diet and the training are an addiction too. many thngs in life can be an addiction. i dont make the rules i just play by them. and yes the rules state in our sport(unofficial) drugs are used. so if i didnt like it....i wouldnt compete. so think im havin a meltdown? ok im melting.....
lucian
hahahaha, no offense dude but we can bash whoever we want, it's a free country, now go swallow a dicck.
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hahahaha, no offense dude but we can bash whoever we want, it's a free country, now go swallow a dicck.
lol ;D
yes, it never ceases to amaze me how bbers can be so deluded and arrogant to think that just because they take themselves real serious, everyone else will too. when in actual fact, 9 times out of 10 they are insecure little penis puffers that haven't let go of mommy's titty. just look at this guy for an example.
lucian, you have a good physique and you have been commended on it by most here. that's as good as it gets bro. you need to go to mayhem to get your knob shined.
wake up stupid (you to, 2pfu), this is the g&o section of a message board. if your ego can't hack it, there's a million other sections in forums to stroke it for you. iows, dry your eyes princess and get over yourself.
i know it's tough for your fragile little ego to handle a reality check but Van Bilderass was right, you had fat to lose. in both contests your back and legs were crap (but you are apparently addressing that), you were smooth as a baby's ass and had zero separation in your glutes and hams. everywhere else was smooth and unremarkable. you have got a good midsection though and, again, if you drop the ego and take care of things you might actually do well at the junior nationals in 2009.
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lol ;D
yes, it never ceases to amaze me how bbers can be so deluded and arrogant to think that just because they take themselves real serious, everyone else will too. when in actual fact, 9 times out of 10 they are insecure little penis puffers that haven't let go of mommy's titty. just look at this guy for an example.
lucian, you have a good physique and you have been commended on it by most here. that's as good as it gets bro. you need to go to mayhem to get your knob shined.
wake up stupid (you to, 2pfu), this is the g&o section of a message board. if your ego can't hack it, there's a million other sections in forums to stroke it for you. iows, dry your eyes princess and get over yourself.
i know it's tough for your fragile little ego to handle a reality check but Van Bilderass was right, you had fat to lose. in both contests your back and legs were crap (but you are apparently addressing that), you were smooth as a baby's ass and had zero separation in your glutes and hams. everywhere else was smooth and unremarkable. you have got a good midsection though and, again, if you drop the ego and take care of things you might actually do well at the junior nationals in 2009.
forst off i posted here cause 2p4u is my boy and was getting bashed. i posted the pics to prove i wasnt some little 140lb geek on a computer or a fat ass giving advice. i do have some credibility. and low and behold the bashing started. i appreciate the criticizm for you and squadfather but others saying synthol ect.....fuck em. ego has nothing to do with it. its just so many of you fuck with each other and this is the only board like this. why? its not a bbing board its a mke fun and bitch board. i sw you guys bash my friend peter putnam...why he looked great!!!! 10 million times better than almost all of you and is a top pro contender. why bash him? you dont like him? well the judges do. i love the sport of bodybuilding. have for 15 years and you guys make a joke of it. what shows do you guys attend? or compete in? id like to come see you guys. s many of you have so much to say but when it comes down to it....you dont knuckle up.
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hahahaha, no offense dude but we can bash whoever we want, it's a free country, now go swallow a dicck.
damn man i tought you were one of the cool bros.
lucian
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damn man i tought you were one of the cool bros.
lucian
i am and i've told you you have a great physique but for you to try and dictate what people say on a message board is just ridiculous, just relax and have some fun with it, the people saying you inject synthol are just stupid pay them no mind.
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queers and queens...
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i am and i've told you you have a great physique but for you to try and dictate what people say on a message board is just ridiculous, just relax and have some fun with it, the people saying you inject synthol are just stupid pay them no mind.
not trying to dictate, just giving an opinon. people are free to say whatever but ive seen guys get bashed bad, now some deserve it. not gna name names but some guys dont. just saw a vid of one guy here, and he looks aweful. has no buissness traching anyones physique. guss because everyone at my home board is tight i just figured it would be like that here. some of them come here but get pushed away. these are seasoned compeditors with a lot of knowledge to share. why push them away?
lucian
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forst off i posted here cause 2p4u is my boy and was getting bashed. i posted the pics to prove i wasnt some little 140lb geek on a computer or a fat ass giving advice. i do have some credibility. and low and behold the bashing started. i appreciate the criticizm for you and squadfather but others saying synthol ect.....fuck em. ego has nothing to do with it. its just so many of you fuck with each other and this is the only board like this. why? its not a bbing board its a mke fun and bitch board. i sw you guys bash my friend peter putnam...why he looked great!!!! 10 million times better than almost all of you and is a top pro contender. why bash him? you dont like him? well the judges do. i love the sport of bodybuilding. have for 15 years and you guys make a joke of it. what shows do you guys attend? or compete in? id like to come see you guys. s many of you have so much to say but when it comes down to it....you dont knuckle up.
no one's bashing you so stop crying about it. jeeesus ::)
everything i say to you here i would say in person, but that's hardly the point is it? we are not in person. we are both just typing on a forum. get it? just a forum...
fact is, you are only going to stress if you take this forum or yourself this seriously.
i'm not interested in competing in a bbing contest, you are. that is why people are commenting on your physique dumbass, because you are posting pics of it on the internet, thus you are fair game, so to speak.
not sure what you meant with your little rant at the end there ie 'nuckle up'? wtf ???
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no one's bashing you so stop crying about it. jeeesus ::)
everything i say to you here i would say in person, but that's hardly the point is it? we are not in person. we are both just typing on a forum. get it? just a forum...
fact is, you are only going to stress if you take this forum or yourself this seriously.
i'm not interested in competing in a bbing contest, you are. that is why people are commenting on your physique dumbass, because you are posting pics of it on the internet, thus you are fair game, so to speak.
not sure what you meant with your little rant at the end there ie 'nuckle up'? wtf ???
calling me names is bashing. i havent called anyone anything despite the things ive been called and told go swallow a dick. knuckle up means telling me t suck dick to my face, or any other bullshit. thats what knuckle up means. a lota people talk a big game and dont do shit in person. the rant isnt for the critisizm its for the bulshit that YOU spew! you dont wanna compete? what do you wanna do? do you use gear? hows your diet? what kind of training do you do? those are the type if things bbing is about. not name calling and trashing people.
lucian
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uh oh, another big, bad, drug taking bodybuilder who wants to kick some ass over internet posts. ::)
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uh oh, another big, bad, drug taking bodybuilder who wants to kick some ass over intermet posts. ::)
Maybe we should match him up with Mindspin? hahaha
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calling me names is bashing. i havent called anyone anything despite the things ive been called and told go swallow a dick. knuckle up means telling me t suck dick to my face, or any other bullshit. thats what knuckle up means. a lota people talk a big game and dont do shit in person. the rant isnt for the critisizm its for the bulshit that YOU spew! you dont wanna compete? what do you wanna do? do you use gear? hows your diet? what kind of training do you do? those are the type if things bbing is about. not name calling and trashing people.
lucian
I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DEATH IN A CAGE MATCH BRO!! ARE YOU GOING TO "KNUCKLE UP"?
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calling me names is bashing. i havent called anyone anything despite the things ive been called and told go swallow a dick. knuckle up means telling me t suck dick to my face, or any other bullshit. thats what knuckle up means. a lota people talk a big game and dont do shit in person. the rant isnt for the critisizm its for the bulshit that YOU spew! you dont wanna compete? what do you wanna do? do you use gear? hows your diet? what kind of training do you do? those are the type if things bbing is about. not name calling and trashing people.
lucian
perhaps you should take a break now lucian. i can see you're not handling this very well. :'(
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uh oh, another big, bad, drug taking bodybuilder who wants to kick some ass over internet posts. ::)
who said kick ass? im talking about getting onstage. knuckle up means putting up.
lucian
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I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DEATH IN A CAGE MATCH BRO!! ARE YOU GOING TO "KNUCKLE UP"?
only if it can be for the world title.lol
lucian
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who said kick ass? im talking about getting onstage. knuckle up means putting up.
lucian
Is there anything gayer than challenging another man to a "posedown". Holy cripes, "lucian", you need to get out more ::)
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Is there anything gayer than challenging another man to a "posedown". Holy cripes, "lucian", you need to get out more ::)
hahahaha, "PUT THIS G STRING ON AND OIL UP MOTHERFUCCKER!!!!!!!!!! I WANNA SEE HOW RIPPED AND TOUGH YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" ;D
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Is there anything gayer than challenging another man to a "posedown". Holy cripes, "lucian", you need to get out more ::)
haha, the only thing is ending your post with "lucian"
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haha, the only thing is ending your post with "lucian"
why do people sign their posts?
-mass 04
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;D ;D :) ;)
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forst off i posted here cause 2p4u is my boy and was getting bashed. i posted the pics to prove i wasnt some little 140lb geek on a computer or a fat ass giving advice. i do have some credibility. and low and behold the bashing started. i appreciate the criticizm for you and squadfather but others saying synthol ect.....fuck em. ego has nothing to do with it. its just so many of you fuck with each other and this is the only board like this. why? its not a bbing board its a mke fun and bitch board. i sw you guys bash my friend peter putnam...why he looked great!!!! 10 million times better than almost all of you and is a top pro contender. why bash him? you dont like him? well the judges do. i love the sport of bodybuilding. have for 15 years and you guys make a joke of it. what shows do you guys attend? or compete in? id like to come see you guys. s many of you have so much to say but when it comes down to it....you dont knuckle up.
You just gotta remember who you are talkin to bro. As iv said many times...if a little 6yr old calls u a doodoohead or a 12yr old little scrawny kid calls you a dorky old man...do you really pay them ANY mind? Does that effect you in any way, or do you just laugh? Same shit here. Im just here to get them riled up a little bit and have some fun.....i appreciate the back up and you know u look 100x better than any of them, so dont sweat it. Lets tear up some national shows next yr n leave these losers behind us... haha
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make fun if you will but you guys who are non compeditive are the ones sitting at home looking at us all oiled up and in out trunks. how gay is that? as compeditors we are required to wear te trunks and oil up....you guys LOOK at pics. some are obbsessesd w certain bbers.(nasser) i guess its a subculture im not aware of....the non competeing, non growin, non picture posting, starin at bbers and drooling club. wow how does one get into this club?
LUCIAN
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You just gotta remember who you are talkin to bro. As iv said many times...if a little 6yr old calls u a doodoohead or a 12yr old little scrawny kid calls you a dorky old man...do you really pay them ANY mind? Does that effect you in any way, or do you just laugh? Same shit here. Im just here to get them riled up a little bit and have some fun.....i appreciate the back up and you know u look 100x better than any of them, so dont sweat it. Lets tear up some national shows next yr n leave these losers behind us... haha
hey man im havin some fun. lol sooner or later me ,you ,bulldog21, and hutch gotta wind up at at least one show all together.lol
im not tkin this serious but when the start name callin and bitchin....and chalenging to cage fights ;D i think they are getting pissed. maybe just maybe one of them might take it to the stage......but i doubt it.
lucian
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lucian and TooPower...I got bored typing the name... were last seen leaving for Vermont with matching luggage.
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lucian and TooPower...I got bored typing the name... were last seen leaving for Vermont with matching luggage.
only if theres a show to win up there!!!!!! its ok dont be jelous......theres room for you. we need a towel/water boy. ;D
lucian
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only if theres a show to win up there!!!!!! its ok dont be jelous......theres room for you. we need a towel/water boy. ;D
lucian
Epic trolling for young boys on the net.
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Epic trolling for young boys on the net.
if you are scared just say so. its your first time? dont worry we will be genttle. just make sure you carry the water and try not to drool over all the compeditors backstage. try and contol your showstopping self. what a joke. what show would you stop???? so your a shawn michaels fan huh?
lucian
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Apparently this "lucian" clown, aka "Lucian Bagwell" is a "pro" wrestler. Don't mess with him. ::)
This is straight from his website:
http://www.bbpics.com/lucianbagwell/
after a few years of adding mass I was lured into the world of pro wrestling. with the big boys WWF, WCW etc. So I was off to wrestling school to learn and perfect my newest challenge. I've got to say out of everything I've done this was the hardest yet, wrestlers are really athletes just like in any other sport. it wasn't long before I got in the ring for my first match against my instructor and learned the hard way its not fake. I currently wrestle the independent circuit at Yankee pro wrestling where I've earned the nickname "pump daddy" due to my physical condition, and appearance.
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if you are scared just say so. its your first time? dont worry we will be genttle. just make sure you carry the water and try not to drool over all the compeditors backstage. try and contol your showstopping self. what a joke. what show would you stop???? so your a shawn michaels fan huh?
lucian
Don't get your posing trunks in a twist, martha, I'm just shitting around. BTW, who is Shawn Michaels? I'm the icon who can still go. 8)
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Don't get your posing trunks in a twist, martha, I'm just shitting around. BTW, who is Shawn Michaels? I'm the icon who can still go. 8)
actualy i spent 4 years on the indy circiut. lucian bagwell. the gimik was i was buff bagwell lil brother. i know some of the guys. ive never talked to shawn but hear hes a good guy. a shoulder injury took me out and at the time wcw and ecw were shut down. wwe was the only place to go. i missed my tryout while i ws in the hospital with phnumonea. just cant take the abuse anymore. still have neck problems. this pic is right in the middle of my wrestling career. thats why my legs lack so bad. we didnt train legs for years as to keep more mobile.
lucian
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actualy i spent 4 years on the indy circiut. lucian bagwell. the gimik was i was buff bagwell lil brother. i know some of the guys. ive never talked to shawn but hear hes a good guy. a shoulder injury took me out and at the time wcw and ecw were shut down. wwe was the only place to go. i missed my tryout while i ws in the hospital with phnumonea. just cant take the abuse anymore. still have neck problems. this pic is right in the middle of my wrestling career. thats why my legs lack so bad. we didnt train legs for years as to keep more mobile.
lucian
you do resemble buff. too bad with the injuries. Very few wrestlers have even decent legs, but then again so do few "bodybuilders" haha
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you do resemble buff. too bad with the injuries. Very few wrestlers have even decent legs, but then again so do few "bodybuilders" haha
the rock had good legs and my buddy tatanka did too.batista does too, even for a tall guy. i miss the biz all the time, but i dont think i could take all the punnishment anymore. getting too old >:(
lucian
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the rock had good legs and my buddy tatanka did too.batista does too, even for a tall guy. i miss the biz all the time, but i dont think i could take all the punnishment anymore. getting too old >:(
lucian
Luger late in his career had the best set of wheels. Of course he was never very mobile.
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i missed my tryout while i ws in the hospital with phnumonea.
What is "phnumonea" ??? Is it an AIDS related illness?
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2p4u....you are wasting your time here.:) thougt id chime i and say......just cause people juice doesnt mean they dont train hard or diet hard. the juicers who look good will still look god off the juice. they just dont have that "full look" so the all drugs comments are made by either fat asses or skinny pencil necks who are jelous and will NEVER tap out their full potential naturaly. and they are scared to stick a needle in their ass. lol(puss) but anyways....ive seen a lot of pics here from people who look absolute shit and have the balls to bash other people. now before you all start pissin and moaning who am i??? this is me!!!
Lucian
Big as a house there lucian!!
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actualy i spent 4 years on the indy circiut. lucian bagwell. the gimik was i was buff bagwell lil brother. i know some of the guys. ive never talked to shawn but hear hes a good guy. a shoulder injury took me out and at the time wcw and ecw were shut down. wwe was the only place to go. i missed my tryout while i ws in the hospital with phnumonea. just cant take the abuse anymore. still have neck problems. this pic is right in the middle of my wrestling career. thats why my legs lack so bad. we didnt train legs for years as to keep more mobile.
lucian
Ever had the opportunity to meet and/or wrestle the greatest of them all.....the Natureboy!!!
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My name is jerry ward. theres pics from both shows on there. i dont take praise nor disses from people who dont know what they are taliking about. someone who doesnt do the sport shoudnt be giving advice on competition. kinda like hiring a fat personal traininer. if he cant do it for himself...how can he do it himself? missing your peak can be holding water, flattning out, and wrong use of diuretics.
heres another pic. by the way over use of jan tanna gel makes you look smoother. which i also did. but i am not claming i was in great shape for the show. but i looked better the next day and the night before the show. if it was just simply being out of shape that wouldnt have happened. but 3 weeks latter i proved the shape i could come in.
lucian
You look horrible man. RU natural?
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You look horrible man. RU natural?
AHHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! "You look horrible man." Brutal honesty
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Luger late in his career had the best set of wheels. Of course he was never very mobile.
Or sane.
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Seems to me people like SF and the rest of you cant make up your minds.
First off..... you make a lot of posts making fun of the guys who admittedly run massive cycles and dont get great results .I can agree with you, you do point out alot of guys who use drugs and dont look like it at all. If you arent going to have proper diet, training, and recovery...you obviously dont know the basis of fitness, so you have no business using steroids. This TRULY reinstates the fact that steroids are not a miracle drug and do not produce insane results without the things that are so much more important (training, diet, recovery). ANALOGY...if you put a bunch of workers on a site (steroids) that dont know SHIT about construction (training) and dont have alot of materials to build with (nutrition)....that is gonna be one shitty house.
NEXT....you like to call alot of guys out as "all drugs". Well according to your other posts, drugs dont work miracles....so how can someone be "all drugs"? You completely niglect the fact that they probably have all the other more important aspects of bodybuilding in line first and foremost before steroids.....
So which is it? You cant keep contradicting yourselves. Give me a mature and REAL answer here for ONCE.. i know you are all capable.. and SF im asking you to be an adult and give me a real response with your honest thoughts and input. DO DRUGS DO ALL THE WORK AND DO THEY HAVE THAT SUPERIOR POWER OR NOT?
"toopowerforu" first off you are the last person that needs to be posting in defense of "ALL DRUGS" when your physique is a perfect example of all drugs....mr featured member on professional drug dealing muscle .com good lord all one has to do is search your posts you are on a ton of shit and brag about eating junk food!
And good lord nobody's more harcore than you!!! you get kicked out of every gym you go tooo!
You are skinny with terrible genetics and are basically as we say skinny muscled!
" Thrown out of ANOTHER mainstream gym
Jeeeezeee....nowhere to train anymore. lol. Kicked out of Golds for being loud (urging on training partners or my bro, i rarely make noise lifting unless its a few soft grunts), banging weights (deadlifting, bb rowing and setting up my own tbar in the corner?), maybe occasionally dropping RUBBER dumbells (not even hard), and i guess just intimidating members (dont even try to, im friendly, just not social haha). Oh and occasionally cursing (didnt know everyone had virgin ears and it offended everyone, ever hear of freedom of speach haha).
Christ, 3rd gym i got kicked out of now for lifting hard. I got kicked out of Golds middletown for putting my training partner on top of the leg press (well we got yelled at, then trained with shirts off and scared members cuz the lady was a bitch haha). Freedom kicked me out because i was "too big" and scared members (they even put up a "meathead free zone" sign).
As i was leaving i said "eh, i cant lift hard here, its a soft environment for pussy lifters" to which the manager replied "thats what we want, thats where the money is". FIGURES......
Im headed back to hardcore Jersey Shore in bradley beach NJ (see you there tatt haha). Only gym that lets you lift heavy, make noise (i dont even make alot), drop weights, and train insane. I should take some pictures so you guys can all see this place....5 dumbell racks up to 100lbs, and the big one up to 180. The leg press from the Ronnie Coleman vid that holds like 2k lbs. Big heavy duty machines, brick walls, dim lights, great mirrors, tons of crossover stations with lots of attachments, and even the OLD SCHOOL pressdown ones attached to the walls from Arnolds day! Damn those things are heavy, 25lbs feels like a ton haha. Miss that place, too lazy to take the 15min drive but guess i have to now...its where i belong and iv noticed.... i ALWAYS train harder there due to the environment and my surroundings!"
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31423
skinny geek! ALL DRUGS!!!
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why you want a poster size for your wall??lol thats just how they are saved. here are a few from the 2007 lehigh valley where i got 2nd in the heavywt. there re more on musculardevelopment.com
lucian
nice upper body.
is it against the law to train legs in PA or sumthing?
pitiful lower body.
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You look horrible man. RU natural?
Ok, "evolver..." ::)
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you have a good point. i trained for years natty. then when i maxed out went to the next step. as for now i am natural, 238lb, and my strength has drepped but am still @ about 80% of what i was when i juiced. i do think people should give it a good 3-4 years natty before taking the leap. other wise when you go off you will loose a lot of the gains.
lucian
How much did you weigh before gearing up? You mean, you're 238lbs clean.
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Ever had the opportunity to meet and/or wrestle the greatest of them all.....the Natureboy!!!
i have met flair but never worked him. he was very nice. a very classy guy.
lucian
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You look horrible man. RU natural?
thank you for the compliment.
lucian
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nice upper body.
is it against the law to train legs in PA or sumthing?
pitiful lower body.
like i said i didnt triain legs for years while i was wrestling.
lucian
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What is "phnumonea" ??? Is it an AIDS related illness?
pneumonia. my typing skills suck.
lucian
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How much did you weigh before gearing up? You mean, you're 238lbs clean.
yeah clean. i was 145lb n bulked to 153. then stated gear and got to 230. 2 cycles later 272lb. so YES the drugs work.
lucian
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yeah clean. i was 145lb n bulked to 153. then stated gear and got to 230. 2 cycles later 272lb. so YES the drugs work.
lucian
shhhhh, quit telling these "natural" queers. Let them struggle for 10 years and figure it out on their own.
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shhhhh, quit telling these "natural" queers. Let them struggle for 10 years and figure it out on their own.
oops!!! :o
lucian
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"toopowerforu" first off you are the last person that needs to be posting in defense of "ALL DRUGS" when your physique is a perfect example of all drugs....mr featured member on professional drug dealing muscle .com good lord all one has to do is search your posts you are on a ton of shit and brag about eating junk food!
Yeah, the best part is that he is lecturing the rest of the membership there about not relying on gear and trying to keep the board "about training and nutrition" instead of drugs. He is too stupid to see that the board is a business, not a "training board".
He is the last person to lecture anyone about not relying on drugs, seeing as he is in his early 20s and already done tons of AAS, GH, Insulin, IGF-1 and so on and so on.
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lucian you look good man. good luck with the jr's
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thank you for the compliment.
lucian
Not sure how that would taken as a compliment ??? In any case, what's with the penciled in beard and frosted hair? Is that some sort of gay code?
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Not sure how that would taken as a compliment ??? In any case, what's with the penciled in beard and frosted hair? Is that some sort of gay code?
hahahaha, are you suggesting that "lucian" will be enjoying some yuletide log this Christmas, Mindspin?
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hahahaha, are you suggesting that "lucian" will be enjoying some yuletide log this Christmas, Mindspin?
Well it would seem that way. The only time I see that weird penciled in facial hair look with frosted tips is in San Francisco gay parades and shit like that. I figured it must be some sort of gay secret code. Who knows...to each his own.
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Yeah, the best part is that he is lecturing the rest of the membership there about not relying on gear and trying to keep the board "about training and nutrition" instead of drugs. He is too stupid to see that the board is a business, not a "training board".
He is the last person to lecture anyone about not relying on drugs, seeing as he is in his early 20s and already done tons of AAS, GH, Insulin, IGF-1 and so on and so on.
actualy...im 32. but thanks for making me feel young.
lucian
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Not sure how that would taken as a compliment ??? In any case, what's with the penciled in beard and frosted hair? Is that some sort of gay code?
oh you got me good mr. mindspun. you are a clever one thats for sure. boy you must be intimidated by me to be taking all these shots. or maybe you need some anger managemet classes.
lucian
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actualy...im 32. but thanks for making me feel young.
lucian
I was talking about TP4U
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Yeah, the best part is that he is lecturing the rest of the membership there about not relying on gear and trying to keep the board "about training and nutrition" instead of drugs. He is too stupid to see that the board is a business, not a "training board".
He is the last person to lecture anyone about not relying on drugs, seeing as he is in his early 20s and already done tons of AAS, GH, Insulin, IGF-1 and so on and so on.
im not lecturing, hell ill talk drugs all day, its the sensless bashing cuz someone decides to use them. what do you care? bottom line...if you choose not to use then you may not get anywhere in the sport. if someone else does who are yo to chastize them. they just have the balls to take it as fars as they can and wont be the ones later saying "what if," or "i coulda". they will be the ones with the pictures, trophies and memories. what do you know about the bodybuilding buisness? who ever looks best makes money, no matter what they take. so whats the problem?
lucian
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I was talking about TP4U
how do you know what he takes? are you with him when he does?
lucian
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im not lecturing, hell ill talk drugs all day, its the sensless bashing cuz someone decides to use them. what do you care? bottom line...if you choose not to use then you may not get anywhere in the sport. if someone else does who are yo to chastize them. they just have the balls to take it as fars as they can and wont be the ones later saying "what if," or "i coulda". they will be the ones with the pictures, trophies and memories. what do you know about the bodybuilding buisness? who ever looks best makes money, no matter what they take. so whats the problem?
lucian
you're still missing the point lucian.
it's the internet. anyone can post on this forum. hell, a 6yr old can post on the internet.
further, this happens to be the bullshit section of the forum (gossip). you have obviously observed how people just take the piss here and yet you came here anyway. i notice you didn't go to the 'training' 'general' 'positive...' 'steroid' etc sections (or just go to bbing.com/mayhem), so that tells me you wanted the attention ie pics, 'figjam' (fuck i'm good just ask me).
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how do you know what he takes? are you with him when he does?
lucian
Are you kidding? Unless he made up all those posts on professionalmuscle. Is that it?
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Lucian, you look great buddy and i agree with you re: drugs. You should see all the rude comments from folks on Youtube when you post a video of a BB: "Steroids","Synthol".
Hopefully, in 2008, we'll see some politicians who will remove the witch hunt against the fitness industry.
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Are you kidding? Unless he made up all those posts on professionalmuscle. Is that it?
Making posts and inquiring is not the same as taking them. And planning to take something is not the same as doing it when you decide against it for health reasons. Sometimes emotion hits you for various reasons and you THINK about things that you later decide is not so smart when you are more clear minded. Most people consider my doses quite low, but i guess thats all relative to what you consider high. Anyway...you can keep hating and being ignorant Jason and Van ...im sure you both have incredible physiques lol (you refuse to unveil them to everyone here because you are so proud of them and what you have accomplished ::)) Now do us a favor and DONT post any of your pictures...because i have a feeling if you did, you would lose all credibility here and your pointless rants and distorted views would no longer hold up.....we shall see what my skinny muscles can do next year. ;) :-*
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Check out my skinny muscles...clean and eating tons of junk food :)
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Making posts and inquiring is not the same as taking them. And planning to take something is not the same as doing it when you decide against it for health reasons. Sometimes emotion hits you for various reasons and you THINK about things that you later decide is not so smart when you are more clear minded. Most people consider my doses quite low, but i guess thats all relative to what you consider high. Anyway...you can keep hating and being ignorant Jason and Van ...im sure you both have incredible physiques lol (you refuse to unveil them to everyone here because you are so proud of them and what you have accomplished ::)) Now do us a favor and DONT post any of your pictures...because i have a feeling if you did, you would lose all credibility here and your pointless rants and distorted views would no longer hold up.....we shall see what my skinny muscles can do next year. ;) :-*
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Check out my skinny muscles...clean and eating tons of junk food :)
Hey gaybot, who's the skinny pussy in the pic?
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Hey gaybot, who's the skinny pussy in the pic?
Looks like one of those 155lb "abshooters" I'm always hearing about.
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Looks like one of those 155lb "abshooters" I'm always hearing about.
haha, the only "shooting" going on with this clown is the gay dudes in the Blue Oyster bar taking their turns shooting their loads into this gaylord's ass.
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yeah clean. i was 145lb n bulked to 153. then stated gear and got to 230. 2 cycles later 272lb. so YES the drugs work.
lucian
WOW! 8lbs of lean natural mass. Crazy accomplishment. Exactly my point here. With enough drugs a little lifting, any fool can make big gains. It's just a matter of how much gear you take, for how long.
Me personally...I took a cycle back in the day, gained 30lbs..mostly water weight, dropped it all, stopped lifting. Came back and went from 150lbs -205lbs, keeping the same leaness. All with ZERO drugs. So, that's usually why I never get impressed by some guy juicing to the max and putting on the same weight I did, without them.
It's great you're ok with it, I personally wouldn't be. It's for shortcutters and people who can't hack it without...you basically proved my point.
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shhhhh, quit telling these "natural" queers. Let them struggle for 10 years and figure it out on their own.
Oh man, typical loser juicehead mentality. Do your realize what weak thinking that is? "You'll never gain that much naturally, so you might as well start hitting the juice hard right away." haha. Complete loser...haah
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WOW! 8lbs of lean natural mass. Crazy accomplishment. Exactly my point here. With enough drugs a little lifting, any fool can make big gains. It's just a matter of how much gear you take, for how long.
Me personally...I took a cycle back in the day, gained 30lbs..mostly water weight, dropped it all, stopped lifting. Came back and went from 150lbs -205lbs, keeping the same leaness. All with ZERO drugs. So, that's usually why I never get impressed by some guy juicing to the max and putting on the same weight I did, without them.
It's great you're ok with it, I personally wouldn't be. It's for shortcutters and people who can't hack it without...you basically proved my point.
ThanksOh man, typical loser juicehead mentality. Do your realize what weak thinking that is? "You'll never gain that much naturally, so you might as well start hitting the juice hard right away." haha. Complete loser...haah
You're a stud. 205lbs......*whew* must be tough hauling that mass around.
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You're a stud. 205lbs......*whew* must be tough hauling that mass around.
Yeah, at 5' 7" from 150-205 with no drugs, I'm pretty ashamed of those gains. Sorry for posting. ::)
You're the type of guy to stare at me, while I workout. Then come up after a few weeks and ask how big my arms are.
Oh brother. Do you realize how dumb you sound?
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WOW! 8lbs of lean natural mass. Crazy accomplishment. Exactly my point here. With enough drugs a little lifting, any fool can make big gains. It's just a matter of how much gear you take, for how long.
Me personally...I took a cycle back in the day, gained 30lbs..mostly water weight, dropped it all, stopped lifting. Came back and went from 150lbs -205lbs, keeping the same leaness. All with ZERO drugs. So, that's usually why I never get impressed by some guy juicing to the max and putting on the same weight I did, without them.
It's great you're ok with it, I personally wouldn't be. It's for shortcutters and people who can't hack it without...you basically proved my point.
ThanksOh man, typical loser juicehead mentality. Do your realize what weak thinking that is? "You'll never gain that much naturally, so you might as well start hitting the juice hard right away." haha. Complete loser...haah
dude, who cares what you think- seriously.
for the better part of 3 years all you have done on this board is shove your anti- steroid crusade down everyone's throats.
nobody on here other than yourself cares how you feel or what you think.
if your happy being mediocre at best, then good for you.
the only reason natty such as yourself has so much to say about guys who use is because you feel inadequate, threatened, insecure and jealous.
if you didnt, you wouldn't cry about it as much as you do and try to discredit those who dwarf you.
move on, its getting old.
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dude, who cares what you think- seriously.
for the better part of 3 years all you have done on this board is shove your anti- steroid crusade down everyone's throats.
nobody on here other than yourself cares how you feel or what you think.
if your happy being mediocre at best, then good for you.
the only reason natty such as yourself has so much to say about guys who use if because you feel inadequate, threatened and jealous.
if you didnt, you wouldn't cry about it as much as you do and try to discredit those who dwarf you.
move on, its getting old.
What's getting old is seeing sorry juicers who look like dog shit at my gym, every fucking workout. It's a violent cycle that repeats itself...haha I see douchebags, I post on it, you give me feedback, I workout again, see more douchebags, then post.
It's just a sad site what gyms have become. Also, again on the jealousy thing...it's hard to be jealous of someone who is on par with you or usually looks worse, when they need drugs to get there. You make zero sense guy.
It's not anti-steroid, it's anti-douchebag. Most guys who juicer are complete douchebags...see how that works. ;) Why so, they are delusional and confuse drugs with their own "hardcore workout methods". I just keep it real. If I reach just one of you sorry clowns, I've done my job.
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Yeah, at 5' 7" from 150-205 with no drugs, I'm pretty ashamed of those gains. Sorry for posting. ::)
You're the type of guy to stare at me, while I workout. Then come up after a few weeks and ask how big my arms are.
Oh brother. Do you realize how dumb you sound?
Me? I'm not the one whining about what other guys are or are not putting into their bodies. And I seriously doubt a 205lb guy would even get a second glance from me in the gym, you are a stick and I would use your arms to pick the chicken breast from between my teeth.
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Me? I'm not the one whining about what other guys are or are not putting into their bodies. And I seriously doubt a 205lb guy would even get a second glance from me in the gym, you are a stick and I would use your arms to pick the chicken breast from between my teeth.
Use my arms to pick the chicken from my teeth?
You watch to many movies tough guy..hahah Oh man.
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Use your arms to pick the chicken from my teeth?
You watch to many movies tough guy..hahah Oh man.
Chaos is a huge dude, croatch. If it's true you're only 205, I guarantee you chaos dwarfs you.
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Chaos is a huge dude, croatch. If it's true you're only 205, I guarantee you chaos dwarfs you.
That's great. Probably just another guy who pounds cc after cc, fooling himself into thinking, "Man, "I" really made some big gains lifting."
I could careless if he's 310lbs...it's just a loser mentality...that's the point.
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What's getting old is seeing sorry juicers who look like dog shit at my gym, every fucking workout. It's a violent cycle that repeats itself...haha I see douchebags, I post on it, you give me feedback, I workout again, see more douchebags, then post.
It's just a sad site what gyms have become. Also, again on the jealousy thing...it's hard to be jealous of someone who is on par with you or usually looks worse, when they need drugs to get there. You make zero sense guy.
It's not anti-steroid, it's anti-douchebag. Most guys who juicer are complete douchebags...see how that works. ;) Why so, they are delusional and confuse drugs with their own "hardcore workout methods". I just keep it real. If I reach just one of you sorry clowns, I've done my job.
it isn't the 'douchbags' you care about. its those of us who take all your attention away, and not that we want it.
nobody 'looks' at you dude. nobody wishes they were you. nobody aspires to be 5'7 200 pounds. sorry to break it to you.
if your happy trying to look like the guy who leads the spin class, then fill your boots.
the rest of us will be too busy having your girl chatting us up when you are not around to watch what she's doing from across the gym.
you guys make me laugh. so insecure, so adamant about not being so.
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it isn't the 'douchbags' you care about. its those of us who take all your attention away, and not that we want it.
nobody 'looks' at you dude. nobody wishes they were you. nobody aspires to be 5'7 200 pounds. sorry to break it to you.
if your happy trying to look like the guy who leads the spin class, then fill your boots.
the rest of us will be too busy having your girl chatting us up when you are not around to watch what she's doing from across the gym.
you guys make me laugh. so insecure, so adamant about not being so.
In all honesty, the guy who can't do much without shooting up...is insecure. Of course, the opinions on this board are shaded because half the posters are on gear, but in the real world, most would agree with me.
I would hope nobody would ever aspire to be 5' 7" hahaha. How I look is irrelevant. Point is, you look around gyms today and can't help but feel sorry for the number of people who have zero faith in themselves and turn to drugs as a cure all. It's not what true bodybuilding is about. Unless you're shooting for an Olympia title this year, face it, you're a joke.
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That's great. Probably just another guy who pounds cc after cc, fooling himself into thinking, "Man, "I" really made some big gains lifting."
I could careless if he's 310lbs...it's just a loser mentality...that's the point.
The only thing I pound, after your sister, is the weights. I don't do cc after cc ::)
I am natural, I dwarf you, and you are mad about it, that, my genetically challenged friend, is a loser mentality. :-*
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In all honesty, the guy who can't do much without shooting up...is much more insecure. Of course the opinions on this board are shaded because half the posters are on gear, but in the real world, most would agree with me.
I would hope nobody would ever aspire to be 5' 7" hahaha. How I look is irrelevant. Point is, you look around gyms today and can't help but feel sorry for the number of people who have zero faith in themselves and turn to drugs are a cure all. It's not what true bodybuilding is about. Unless you're shooting for an Olympia title this year, face it, you're a joke to me.
wrong.
it isnt about turning to drugs for a short cut, or a cure- all, or being the next olympia.
it's about seeing how far past your genetic limitations you can progress.
you know that after a certain amount of time, no matter how optimal the atmosphere you provide yourself for growth, it will stop.
anyone can get to that point- anyone.
dont flatter yourself by thinking otherwise.
not everyone has what it takes to push themselves to limits you can only dream of.
you think it's a magic pill? you dont know shit. you base all you experience on one cycle where you put on 30 pounds of water.
i train harder now than at any point when i was clean and im sure a large percentage of those who are serious about their training would say the same.
keep fooling yourself into thinking it's all drugs.
thats the only way you'll feel better about being, well, you.
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wrong.
it isnt about turning to drugs for a short cut, or a cure- all, or being the next olympia.
it's about seeing how far past your genetic limitations you can progress.
you know that after a certain amount of time, no matter how optimal the atmosphere you provide yourself for growth, it will stop.
anyone can get to that point- anyone.
dont flatter yourself by thinking otherwise.
not everyone has what it takes to push themselves to limits you can only dream of.
you think it's a magic pill? you dont know shit. you base all you experience on one cycle where you put on 30 pounds of water.
i train harder now than at any point when i was clean and im sure a large percentage of those who are serious about their training would say the same.
keep fooling yourself into thinking it's all drugs.
thats the only way you'll feel better about being, well, you.
For crying out loud, what is it with you and these long ass posts ??? If you can't say it in three sentences or less, don't say it at all.
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For crying out loud, what is it with you and these long ass posts ??? If you can't say it in three sentences or less, don't say it at all.
a) it's difficult to educate you simpletons without explaining everything step by step.
b) it isn't my fault your educational system failed you to the point where it takes you 45 minutes to read my posts cause you have to sound out the syllables.
c) i'll stop here so you don't have an aneurysm from trying retain what you just read in the 2 sentences above.
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forst off i posted here cause 2p4u is my boy and was getting bashed. i posted the pics to prove i wasnt some little 140lb geek on a computer or a fat ass giving advice. i do have some credibility. and low and behold the bashing started. i appreciate the criticizm for you and squadfather but others saying synthol ect.....fuck em. ego has nothing to do with it. its just so many of you fuck with each other and this is the only board like this. why? its not a bbing board its a mke fun and bitch board. i sw you guys bash my friend peter putnam...why he looked great!!!! 10 million times better than almost all of you and is a top pro contender. why bash him? you dont like him? well the judges do. i love the sport of bodybuilding. have for 15 years and you guys make a joke of it. what shows do you guys attend? or compete in? id like to come see you guys. s many of you have so much to say but when it comes down to it....you dont knuckle up.
you are all drugs and synthol....but you do look great.
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a) it's difficult to educate you simpletons without explaining everything step by step.
b) it isn't my fault your educational system failed you to the point where it takes you 45 minutes to read my posts cause you have to sound out the syllables.
c) i'll stop here so you don't have an aneurysm from trying retain what you just read in the 2 sentences above.
Can it with the pseudo-intellectual bullshit. I can tell from the choppy grammar of your posts that you're not an Einstein--try as you may to come off as one. ;)
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In all honesty, the guy who can't do much without shooting up...is insecure. Of course, the opinions on this board are shaded because half the posters are on gear, but in the real world, most would agree with me.
I would hope nobody would ever aspire to be 5' 7" hahaha. How I look is irrelevant. Point is, you look around gyms today and can't help but feel sorry for the number of people who have zero faith in themselves and turn to drugs as a cure all. It's not what true bodybuilding is about. Unless you're shooting for an Olympia title this year, face it, you're a joke.
Croatch, no offence but he is stating the absolute truth here. in fact he couldn't be more spot on.
for a long time (longer than i care to remember) you have repeated the exact same post over and over, right down to the "take a look around the gym...blah blah....dog shit...blah blah..." rinse, cycle, repeat...
we get it Croatch, you feel cheated by the guys who just come in, take the gear and get what you worked your ass off for in 5 seconds. that's their issue man. the only person that you have influence over is yourself and, it's true, nobody, not even your partner, best friend, mother...actually gives a shit. certainly not those guys actually taking gear.
what about the guys just using steroids? maybe they're jealous of the guys using gh and those guys are jealous of the guys using igf 1 and those guys are all worried about missing out on the myostatin thing. jealousy never ends, it just goes around and around adnauseum and the only people it affects are those doing it, who become miserable haters that folk don't want to be around.
try something completely different, forget completely about the juicers at the gym, whether they look better or worse. when you start to think/watch them forcibly push it out of your mind. don't snigger, smile or even look, just focus on your own goals.
many bbers/athletes have issues with the obsessive jealousy thing, otherwise we wouldn't have the whole "all drugs", "he's goin to die soon", "cheater" etc, but make no mistake, you have the worst pathology i have ever seen. i know this is affecting the rest of your life. it has to.
use/don't use man. it's your deal. just don't wear the natural tag like a badge of honour because you come off like a prissy pretentious princess, and this is on a bbing board. i can only imagine what you come off like to your friends and loved ones. apart from anything else, all it says about you is that your whole universe is limited to your own body and other bodies. don't expect others to understand that, they'll just think you're shallow as fuck.
i really hope this helps. :-\
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Can it with the pseudo-intellectual bullshit. I can tell from the choppy grammar of your posts that you're not an Einstein--try as you may to come off as one. ;)
Are you saying that "no one" is as retarded as the last 50 gimmicks here on getbig? Has this newb posted his pics in a meltdown fit of "I'm bigger than you" rage?
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The only thing I pound, after your sister, is the weights. I don't do cc after cc ::)
I am natural, I dwarf you, and you are mad about it, that, my genetically challenged friend, is a loser mentality. :-*
Oh, being 250lbs with 20%bf isn't impressive, to me. Again, I could careless if you are 429lbs and natural and bench 930lbs for reps. Natural or not. That has nothing to do with my point.
I congratulate you on nailing my sister, she's 170lbs and has a kid...bwhwhaha Personally, I wouldn't hit it. ;D
use/don't use man. it's your deal. just don't wear the natural tag like a badge of honour because you come off like a prissy pretentious princess, and this is on a bbing board. i can only imagine what you come off like to your friends and loved ones. apart from anything else, all it says about you is that your whole universe is limited to your own body and other bodies. don't expect others to understand that, they'll just think you're shallow as fuck.
What would be interesting is interviewing the general public on their views on steroid abusers, then post it on getbig. I'd bet more than 80% would agree with me.
Also, I don't go around rambling about lifting or being natural to my friends or family. I probably wouldn't even think too much about it, if I weren't reminded every day at the sad spectacle bodybuilding has become. And because so many are caught up in the drug game, it's more accepted, which is just garbage. Almost like 2 guys nailing each other at a San Fran bus stop...haha Because it's norm, doesn't really make it great. It's a shortcut, nothing more.
"I just want to get past my natural plateau."
Oh man, even on drugs you have a peak, then you need more, or need to add another drug. It's just a drug game at that point, with the same routine behind it. I just can't see how someone could ever feel accomplishment from using drugs to gain a little muscle. I just view it as pathetic, always will because it's just lack of heart. Most would agree....not here of course cause half here are probably on.
So, unless you're challenging Cutler for the next O title, man the fuck up and train natural.
Steroids are for boys trying to be men. :'(
Peace
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if people wanna use let em use, as long as they know how to train and eat properly then let them be, fuck i dont give a shit if everyone who steps into my gym is on em, good for them, and for all you natural for life people thinking that your better than the users need to wake up and realise that you are all delusional....Anyway have a good christmas
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if people wanna use let em use, as long as they know how to train and eat properly then let them be, fuck i dont give a shit if everyone who steps into my gym is on em, good for them, and for all you natural for life people thinking that your better than the users need to wake up and realise that you are all delusional....Anyway have a good christmas
You write like you're the supreme pontiff of weightlifting. Give it a rest, bro. We don't need the lecture.
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Oh, being 250lbs with 20%bf isn't impressive, to me. Again, I could careless if you are 429lbs and natural and bench 930lbs for reps. Natural or not. That has nothing to do with my point.
I congratulate you on nailing my sister, she's 170lbs and has a kid...bwhwhaha Personally, I wouldn't hit it. ;DWhat would be interesting is interviewing the general public on their views on steroid abusers, then post it on getbig. I'd bet more than 80% would agree with me.
Also, I don't go around rambling about lifting or being natural to my friends or family. I probably wouldn't even think too much about it, if I weren't reminded every day at the sad spectacle bodybuilding has become. And because so many are caught up in the drug game, it's more accepted, which is just garbage. Almost like 2 guys nailing each other at a San Fran bus stop...haha Because it's norm, doesn't really make it great. It's a shortcut, nothing more.
"I just want to get past my natural plateau."
Oh man, even on drugs you have a peak, then you need more, or need to add another drug. It's just a drug game at that point, with the same routine behind it. I just can't see how someone could ever feel accomplishment from using drugs to gain a little muscle. I just view it as pathetic, always will because it's just lack of heart. Most would agree....not here of course cause half here are probably on.
So, unless you're challenging Cutler for the next O title, man the fuck up and train natural.
Steroids are for boys trying to be men. :'(
Peace
i don't really know who's on and who's not, but the boy/men thing doesn't work either.
probably the most famous u.s president in histroy, john f kennedy was routinely administered a cocktail of steroids an methylamphetamines. hollywood megastar, current governor of california and probably future u.s.a president, arnold schwarzenegger was on for most of his life.
it's a loser debate and whether you admit it or not, the only reason you have a problem with steroid users is because you are jealous. i don't see you getting on your soap box spouting the dangers of alcohol use (btw, alcohol is a drug PROVEN to be far more dangerous than steroids) or cigarette smoking (need i even go there?). you have a great physique and you're obviously knowledgeable on bbing. seems like such a waste, imo, that you obsess about something so menial and pathetic.
i am not defending steroid use, just putting it into perspective and pointing out your self righteous hypocrisy. the fact is, you just can't let it go. hell, you can't even reply without spewing the same old tired vitriol.
seriously man, you are an intelligent person (i've seen some of your clips around the place - you are talented and hilarious), but this shit really does you a disservice. if you take my aformentioned (in previous post on this thread) advice re your next workout i PROMISE you, you will have the best workout you've had in a long time. all i'm asking you to do is let it go, just once.
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wrong.
it isnt about turning to drugs for a short cut, or a cure- all, or being the next olympia.
it's about seeing how far past your genetic limitations you can progress.
you know that after a certain amount of time, no matter how optimal the atmosphere you provide yourself for growth, it will stop.
anyone can get to that point- anyone.
dont flatter yourself by thinking otherwise.
not everyone has what it takes to push themselves to limits you can only dream of.
you think it's a magic pill? you dont know shit. you base all you experience on one cycle where you put on 30 pounds of water.
i train harder now than at any point when i was clean and im sure a large percentage of those who are serious about their training would say the same.
keep fooling yourself into thinking it's all drugs.
thats the only way you'll feel better about being, well, you.
Bullseye and fucking spot on correct.
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Lucian, you look great buddy and i agree with you re: drugs. You should see all the rude comments from folks on Youtube when you post a video of a BB: "Steroids","Synthol".
Hopefully, in 2008, we'll see some politicians who will remove the witch hunt against the fitness industry.
Hi lucian.
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you are all drugs and synthol....but you do look great.
piont out the synthol wise ass? and after months of being clean im 238lb. and still strong as hell.so what, i wanna go past my genetics? but thanks for the compliment.
lucian
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piont out the synthol wise ass?
Delts here:
(http://www.bbpics.com/lucianbagwell/frontlb23_64.jpg)
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theres a lot of anger from everyone. cant we all just get along? :) if one juicer pisses you off, just dont judge all of us. i train a guy who is natural. i never push him to do drugs or even bring it up. can i help him get to his goal of getting onstage? yes, it just has to be done differently. gear just makes your body a better more efficient machine than it already is. thats all. you still need to train hard, eat, manipulate your carbs and fats, and do all the long hours of boring cardio. i do 2 hr of cardio a day 7 days a week for a show. how many nattys do that much? plus my 1 1/2 hr workout on top of it. then diet. so just cause people use gear doesnt mean we dont work just as hard as you guys.
lucian
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theres a lot of anger from everyone. cant we all just get along? :) if one juicer pisses you off, just dont judge all of us. i train a guy who is natural. i never push him to do drugs or even bring it up. can i help him get to his goal of getting onstage? yes, it just has to be done differently. gear just makes your body a better more efficient machine than it already is. thats all. you still need to train hard, eat, manipulate your carbs and fats, and do all the long hours of boring cardio. i do 2 hr of cardio a day 7 days a week for a show. how many nattys do that much? plus my 1 1/2 hr workout on top of it. then diet. so just cause people use gear doesnt mean we dont work just as hard as you guys.
lucian
we're all proud of you.
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Delts here:
(http://www.bbpics.com/lucianbagwell/frontlb23_64.jpg)
synthol....hahahaha try test prop, 2cc eod in the delts. that makes any bodypart swell.
lucian
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we're all proud of you.
well its true. you keep sayin how easy gear users have it....well do you think this is easy? what do you do to get into contest shape?
how low do you go on carbs? cardio? just curious, if its more and harder than what i posted i will commend you.
lucian
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well its true. you keep sayin how easy gear users have it....well do you think this is easy? what do you do to get into contest shape?
how low do you go on carbs? cardio? just curious, if its more and harder than what i posted i will commend you.
lucian
my point is that you act like we should all stand up and cheer and bow to you like you just re invented the wheel or cured cancer, gimme a fuccking break, so you walked on the treadmill for an hour and did some arm supersets, big fucckin' deal.
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synthol....hahahaha try test prop, 2cc eod in the delts. that makes any bodypart swell.
lucian
Have you ever used Syntherol, Synthol or any other SEO?
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Have you ever used Syntherol, Synthol or any other SEO?
yes i did try one. i did not like the dosage schedule of pinning every day. so i stopped. it didnt do anything. site injections work better, you can clearly see in all the pics my muscles are still hadr. theyre not all bloated and stretched out like synthol. nor do they have strange shapes. anyone who has done prop and attest to the pain and swelin @ 100mg eod.
lucian
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my point is that you act like we should all stand up and cheer and bow to you like you just re invented the wheel or cured cancer, gimme a fuccking break, so you walked on the treadmill for an hour and did some arm supersets, big fucckin' deal.
ok asshole you are the one complaining its so easy for guys on gear....well to bad you dont know shit. im not looking for cheers ,just for you to shut up and stop pissing and moaning about bla bla bla im natty. bla bla that guy looks better tham me cuz he is on drugs. well we look better cuz...better genetics.....better diet....better training....better willpower and self control. throw the drugs in to make it even ground in bbing competition...and you have the makings of a champion. not a pissy natty who cant come to terms with these things.
lucian
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ok asshole you are the one complaining its so easy for guys on gear....well to bad you dont know shit. im not looking for cheers ,just for you to shut up and stop pissing and moaning about bla bla bla im natty. bla bla that guy looks better tham me cuz he is on drugs. well we look better cuz...better genetics.....better diet....better training....better willpower and self control. throw the drugs in to make it even ground in bbing competition...and you have the makings of a champion. not a pissy natty who cant come to terms with these things.
lucian
epic name calling meltdown.....anyway the only juicers i make fun of are the clowns who use big doses and can't break 190 pounds bodyweight or squat or bench 315.
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epic name calling meltdown.....anyway the only juicers i make fun of are the clowns who use big doses and can't break 190 pounds bodyweight or squat or bench 315.
ive seen those guys. and they are the ones who rely on gear and dont have all thier ducks in a row. i a gree they suck. but they are nod bbers, they are wtlifters. or just guys trin to look good in a club in a tight shirt, not bbers. sorry bout the name....i got a lil pumped. mut be rage. :o
lucian
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piont out the synthol wise ass? and after months of being clean im 238lb. and still strong as hell.so what, i wanna go past my genetics? but thanks for the compliment.
lucian
Gregg Valentino also says he only used test to site inject
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implants
oh you got me man. i have implants.lol thats even better.
lucian
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oh you got me man. i have implants.lol thats even better.
lucian
:)
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synthol....hahahaha try test prop, 2cc eod in the delts. that makes any bodypart swell.
lucian
yes, this looks legite.
test propionate site injections will cause this kind of swelling and it is well known to do so.
lucian, you are way too sensitive bud. you are melting down without anyone even trying. in fact, i think you have been given much better treatment than most bbers that come here. then again, you're pretty straight up which is a big plus.
just don't know why you're expecting everyone to kiss your ass. it aint going to happen no matter how many violin tunes you play.
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I was just messing with ya with the synthol and implant comments.You do look great...looks like you have worked your ass off. What is the lowest your body fat has ever been? Have you ever made it to 0.0 % for any of your contests?
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just don't know why you're expecting everyone to kiss your ass. it aint going to happen no matter how many violin tunes you play.
actualy im just trying to get some of the gear bashers to realize we are not cheating. we are wworking hard and doing our best just like them. we just have different goals. i wouldnt bash someone for not taking drugs, so why bash some one for taking them. we all have a head on our shoulders and make our own decisions. back in arnolds day everone got along. natty or not. now theres a crusade against gear users...but is our sport. if people dont like it...join a natty board or only support natty events. it pisses me off cuz i know how hard all these guys work. theres no need to put them down.
lucian
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I was just messing with ya with the synthol and implant comments.You do look great...looks like you have worked your ass off. What is the lowest your body fat has ever been? Have you ever made it to 0.0 % for any of your contests?
never get it tested. and dont go near a scale till weigh ins. the judges dont ask bf% or your wt so those things dont matter. as long as you look lean it doesnt matter the %.
lucian
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well its true. you keep sayin how easy gear users have it....well do you think this is easy? what do you do to get into contest shape?
how low do you go on carbs? cardio? just curious, if its more and harder than what i posted i will commend you.
lucian
you obviously haven't seen the pictures of the guy you're addressing.
contest shape?
low carbs?
cardio?
lol.
no, squadfather has no need for these words in his daily life, as shown by a physique that nobody who trains would ever wish to have, let alone brag about.
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never get it tested. and dont go near a scale till weigh ins. the judges dont ask bf% or your wt so those things dont matter. as long as you look lean it doesnt matter the %.
lucian
well it is still impressive to here someone has 0.0% bodyfat...even if they don't test it at the show.
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you obviously haven't seen the pictures of the guy you're addressing.
contest shape?
low carbs?
cardio?
lol.
no, squadfather has no need for these words in his vocabulary, as shown by a physique that nobody who trains would ever wish to have, let alone brag about.
ive seen the pics and he looks big. but thats the point big is the easy part, its the 12 weeks of hell that takes the willpower to succceed. so he goes to the gym, no time frame to hit his goal and gets bigger.....how hard is that? isnt that what most 17yr olds do? now eat 8xa day, cardio, work fulltime train and have a relationship at the same time. hard work? my giel alone is hard work. ;D
lucian
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well it is still impressive to here someone has 0.0% bodyfat...even if they don't test it at the show.
if you get under 2% the skindex read Err."error" as it cant read it. thats the lowest ive seen in person.
lucian
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if you get under 2% the skindex read Err."error" as it cant read it. thats the lowest ive seen in person.
lucian
obviously you haven't seen the jim quinn _ billy smith special calipers in use.
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'...ive seen the pics and he looks big. but thats the point big is the easy part, its the 12 weeks of hell that takes the willpower to succceed. so he goes to the gym, no time frame to hit his goal and gets bigger.....how hard is that? isnt that what most 17yr olds do? now eat 8xa day, cardio, work fulltime train and have a relationship at the same time. hard work? my giel alone is hard work...'
don't go feeding what is an already oversized ego.
he thinks he is 'big' because his tips the scale at a massive 240 pounds.
lol.
judging from his pics, you and i both know he is holding at least 25% BF.
if he dieted down to 10% (good luck) and didn't lose any lean in the process he's still only be 200 pounds at 5'11- and that's optimally. you can bet it'd would come out to be roughly 10% @ 190 at 5'11.
lol.
big?
i think not.
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'...ive seen the pics and he looks big. but thats the point big is the easy part, its the 12 weeks of hell that takes the willpower to succceed. so he goes to the gym, no time frame to hit his goal and gets bigger.....how hard is that? isnt that what most 17yr olds do? now eat 8xa day, cardio, work fulltime train and have a relationship at the same time. hard work? my giel alone is hard work...'
don't go feeding what is an already oversized ego.
he thinks he is 'big' because his tips the scale at a massive 240 pounds.
lol.
judging from his pics, you and i both know he is holding at least 25% BF.
if he dieted down to 10% (good luck) and didn't lose any lean in the process he's still only be 200 pounds at 5'11- and that's optimally. you can bet it'd would come out to be roughly 10% @ 190 at 5'11.
lol.
big?
i think not.
you think this is 25 percent bodyfat?
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if you get under 2% the skindex read Err."error" as it cant read it. thats the lowest ive seen in person.
lucian
Flex Wheeler had his bodyfat read before the 1993 Olympia by Jim Quinn, It was 0.0% , the lowest reading ever recorded at Gold's Gym.
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obviously you haven't seen the jim quinn _ billy smith special calipers in use.
never seen em.
lucian
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you think this is 25 percent bodyfat?
in this pic im 250+lb. not sure of the bf% but im pretty sure its no where near 25%
lucian
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Flex Wheeler had his bodyfat read before the 1993 Olympia by Jim Quinn, It was 0.0% , the lowest reading ever recorded at Gold's Gym.
Yes but i forgot about which golds that was.
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in this pic im 250+lb. not sure of the bf% but im pretty sure its no where near 25%
lucian
i think he was talking about me now upon re reading his post.
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Yes but i forgot about which golds that was.
I also heard that it was actually a negative reading. -.01 I do believe.
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I also heard that it was actually a negative reading. -.01 I do believe.
who recorded it?
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who recorded it?
:D
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Isn't that guy married to Peg with a couple of kids named Kelly and Bud? 8)
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Isn't that guy married to Peg with a couple of kids named Kelly and Bud? 8)
And he once scored 4 touchdowns in a single game.
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And he once scored 4 touchdowns in a single game.
and he was quite the 0.00% bodyfat percentage athlete himself at the time.
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and he was quite the 0.00% bodyfat percentage athlete himself at the time.
well...Flex was only 0.0% not 0.00% let's be realistic, shall we? ::)
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you think this is 25 percent bodyfat?
dickhead- the post was about YOU.
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ok asshole you are the one complaining its so easy for guys on gear....well to bad you dont know shit. im not looking for cheers ,just for you to shut up and stop pissing and moaning about bla bla bla im natty. bla bla that guy looks better tham me cuz he is on drugs. well we look better cuz...better genetics.....better diet....better training....better willpower and self control. throw the drugs in to make it even ground in bbing competition...and you have the makings of a champion. not a pissy natty who cant come to terms with these things.
lucian
Didn't you say you never even eclipsed 160lbs naturally? That would imply drugs are your physique, basically. Right.
If you feel accomplishment from gaining a bunch of muscle by taking drugs, keep on with it. Just know, any fool can do it, few can without..that's the difference.
On the "hard work" topic. It would be utterly foolish for someone to say people on gear don't work hard. That would classify all. I'm sure some work hard, others not really. I think the point some are trying to make is, you simply don't have to work very hard to make great gains with drugs.
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Didn't you say you never even eclipsed 160lbs naturally? That would imply drugs are your physique, basically. Right.
If you feel accomplishment from gaining a bunch of muscle by taking drugs, keep on with it. Just know, any fool can do it, few can without..that's the difference.
On the "hard work" topic. It would be utterly foolish for someone to say people on gear don't work hard. That would classify all. I'm sure some work hard, others not really. I think the point some are trying to make is, you simply don't have to work very hard to make great gains with drugs.
Ok let me civilly disagree. So you are saying "any fool can gain big weight on steroids" and "you dont have to work hard to make great gains". Explain the tons of people squadfather calls out every day who admit to high drug use and dont really show great results. That sure as hell tells me that drugs dont do all the work. For every guy on here who admits to use...SF and his goons call out 9 outta 10 and are mostly justified and correct in their observations. Go to NY bro... look around...probably 8 outta 10 guido's in the gym are on...now how many are considered big by OUR standards and how many have great physiques? NOT MANY. Proofs right there.... it dont do all the work, not even close. Read my analogy earlier in the thread...other things are much more important and vital to results. Being a natural, u know what they are. Gains come EASIER on juice, but they dont come indefinitely and in large amounts unless you bust your ass for them. Plain and simple. That would be like me saying ANY natural guy can go to the gym and make gains easily.... that is 100% true, but WHAT will the gains BE. 1lb in 3 months is still gains. You want BIG gains, you gota bust your ass. If you jump on...sure your guaranteed 3-5lbs per cycle, but for Lucian to gain the kind of weight he has in that time frame... he worked HARD for it. I gained almost 100lbs in the short time iv been bodybuilding. Show me how many guys can do that no matter what you give them?
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". Explain the tons of people squadfather calls out every day who admit to high drug use and dont really show great results.
fake and or under dosed gear
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toopowerful4u is just a skinny muscled kid that's all juice and fast food and about as hardcore as a sack of potatoes.
get these professional muscles jokes out of here they post openly about their drug use and deal drugs on the boards....
let's look at
2punkforu's
drug cycle list
test
tren
insulin
igf-1
winstrol
oral turinabol
dbol
drol and a ton of other things he has used and continues to use.
The dumbass just did a show and was jucing after the show and is now on PCT..if he wasn't so stupid he'd know after a show you don't need GAS you blow up clean...what a drug infested idiot....
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toopowerful4u is just a skinny muscled kid that's all juice and fast food and about as hardcore as a sack of potatoes.
get these professional muscles jokes out of here they post openly about their drug use and deal drugs on the boards....
let's look at
2punkforu's
drug cycle list
test
tren
insulin
igf-1
winstrol
oral turinabol
dbol
drol and a ton of other things he has used and continues to use.
The dumbass just did a show and was jucing after the show and is now on PCT..if he wasn't so stupid he'd know after a show you don't need GAS you blow up clean...what a drug infested idiot....
lol u sure thats my list. You named at least 2 things on there i havent touched. Your a horrible stalker, dont quit your day job. Lets see a picture of you bud
oh yea and...yo momma lol ;D
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Didn't you say you never even eclipsed 160lbs naturally? That would imply drugs are your physique, basically. Right.
If you feel accomplishment from gaining a bunch of muscle by taking drugs, keep on with it. Just know, any fool can do it, few can without..that's the difference.
On the "hard work" topic. It would be utterly foolish for someone to say people on gear don't work hard. That would classify all. I'm sure some work hard, others not really. I think the point some are trying to make is, you simply don't have to work very hard to make great gains with drugs.
[/quoteactualy i got to 153 from 130lb. @ 5'8" i was quite small. 145 is what i maintained to wrestle in school. then i started training real hard. this was at 15yr old with a mega fast metabolism so 23lb before age 19 is more than most gain.my dad is 6'2"250, hell my grandmother was 6;3" 275lb. i have the genes in my family. they dont put on wt till mid to late 20's. so if i didnt have the genetics...the drugs wouldnt make it possible no matter what.
lucian
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The dumbass just did a show and was jucing after the show and is now on PCT..if he wasn't so stupid he'd know after a show you don't need GAS you blow up clean...what a drug infested idiot....
this is wrong......actually cause i know and here is why....after the lehigh i was 202. 4 weeks later the pic witht the cammo short i was over 250lb. do the math....clean tha would not have happened. ask dorian, ronnie,jay, any of them.they dont go off till months after. you can clearly see it!!!! victor i saw him 3 weeks after the o and he was soooo friggin huge, now he is a bit smaller.....the post contest rebound is a powerful tool when done right but can only be done bout 2 tumes then your physique gets distorted. 2p4u did it right thats why he carries the ammount of muscle he does now....as a heavywt. timing everything right.
lucian
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fake and or under dosed gear
thats one reason but i know guys who have real gear and their diets suck. not enough calories....too many calories.....bad nutrient timing....just plain shit. sometimes the skip workouts, these are the treasons those guys dont grow....either way all they have to do is buckle down and do it right.
lucian
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thats one reason but i know guys who have real gear and their diets suck. not enough calories....too many calories.....bad nutrient timing....just plain shit. sometimes the skip workouts, these are the treasons those guys dont grow....either way all they have to do is buckle down and do it right.
lucian
agreed...but genetics for response to gear is a factor as well.
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What would be interesting is interviewing the general public on their views on steroid abusers, then post it on getbig. I'd bet more than 80% would agree with me.
You're absolutely right, most of the general public would agree with you...but that's not saying much.
When it comes to public perception, truth and hard facts are not what sways opinion. In most all cases, when a group of people make claims about something, as long as that group has a role in leadership, posses some level of intelligence, even if it is based on fallacy, or if this group uses scare tactics to sway opinion, then their words will be viewed as straight from the mouth God himself.
In short, people are so adamantly anti steroid or any performance enhancing drug, simply because they were told to be...and nine times out of ten, they were told to be by someone who has almost no knowledge on the subject whatsoever.
Politicians rant all day long against the evil of steroids; many doctors support these cries, but never provide scientific evidence to support it. Why? Because the truth would be devastating to a large part of the U.S. economy, but only short term...but as Americans, we tend to only think in the "now."
What still amazes me is people are so easily and sheepishly swayed by these people mentioned above. Hardly anyone looks or ask for real proof on the topic. And yes, real proof, real truth is out there...but it's never questioned.
Think about it, before the AAS ban in the U.S. both the American Medical Association and the FDA opposed the ban...should this not raise serious questions? How about what one of the most respected medical journals in the U.S. "The New England Journal of Medicine" reports year after year concerning steroid use? It is almost always shed in a positive light. What about the major psychological organizations in the U.S. who continually report that things like roid rage from AAS abuse are completely false and made up? Why isn't this brought to peoples attention? Why, for the reason stated above...but that does not make it right.
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You're absolutely right, most of the general public would agree with you...but that's not saying much.
When it comes to public perception, truth and hard facts are not what sways opinion. In most all cases, when a group of people make claims about something, as long as that group has a role in leadership, posses some level of intelligence, even if it is based on fallacy, or if this group uses scare tactics to sway opinion, then their words will be viewed as straight from the mouth God himself.
In short, people are so adamantly anti steroid or any performance enhancing drug, simply because they were told to be...and nine times out of ten, they were told to be by someone who has almost no knowledge on the subject whatsoever.
Politicians rant all day long against the evil of steroids; many doctors support these cries, but never provide scientific evidence to support it. Why? Because the truth would be devastating to a large part of the U.S. economy, but only short term...but as Americans, we tend to only think in the "now."
What still amazes me is people are so easily and sheepishly swayed by these people mentioned above. Hardly anyone looks or ask for real proof on the topic. And yes, real proof, real truth is out there...but it's never questioned.
Think about it, before the AAS ban in the U.S. both the American Medical Association and the FDA opposed the ban...should this not raise serious questions? How about what one of the most respected medical journals in the U.S. "The New England Journal of Medicine" reports year after year concerning steroid use? It is almost always shed in a positive light. What about the major psychological organizations in the U.S. who continually report that things like roid rage from AAS abuse are completely false and made up? Why isn't this brought to peoples attention? Why, for the reason stated above...but that does not make it right.
haha, Well said. I agree, but the 80% fact sounded pretty concrete:) In fact, when the topic of steroids comes up, I usually defend how steroid in moderation really don't harm you...haha I don't find anything morally wrong with taking gear, nor do I believe half the bullshit they try to associate with them.
This has never been my issue with them. It's just so laughably easy to gain on them, it really takes away the challenge in bodybuilding. Seeing the majority of people in gyms rely on them to gain anything decent is honestly pathetic though. To me, these people usually lack heart and the long term dedication required to achieve something worth while in the gym...on their own. Bodybuilding should be about challenging yourself, not creating the perfect drug blend. Most people just don't have much heart, gear or no gear.
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haha, Well said. I agree, but the 80% fact sounded pretty concrete:) In fact, when the topic of steroids comes up, I usually defend how steroid in moderation really don't harm you...haha I don't find anything morally wrong with taking gear, nor do I believe half the bullshit they try to associate with them.
This has never been my issue with them. It's just so laughably easy to gain on them, it really takes away the challenge in bodybuilding. Seeing the majority of people in gyms rely on them to gain anything decent is honestly pathetic though. To me, these people usually lack heart and the long term dedication required to achieve something worth while in the gym...on their own. Bodybuilding should be about challenging yourself, not creating the perfect drug blend. Most people just don't have much heart, gear or no gear.
Croatch, what you're saying here is how the very powerful supplement companies have joined forces with the equally powerful ioc to create so many negative connotations re these drugs.
these agencies have used their political power and media relations to cause a drug that is relatively harmless and, for the majority, used by law abiding citizens, to be made a criminal offence.
there are many other abuses of power our politicians wield for the agendas of powerful corporations but, for the purpose of this thread, we are focusing on this one.
the only conceivable reason why anabolic androgenic steroids are illegal is because of the spectre of cheating, which you have alluded to. this is the politicians sales pitch (they're hardly going to say that they want to make it hard to acquire steroids so supplement companies can continue to defraud joe public, but this is the real reason).
however, even on that basis alone, so what if it's cheating? it is not the role of our elected democratic government to police cheating in sports and certainly it is an abuse of power to deprive citizens of their liberty for using a drug that is simply not proven ANYWHERE to cause damage to society. the platform of 'roid rage' is a myth perpetrated by an ignorant media but that hasn't stopped your corrupt government using this myth to create fear.
think about it, if 'roid rage' was a proven fact then why can't it be used as a defence in court? if said rage existed then that would imply that the accused was not capable of controlling his behavious due to drug use and thus he has a defence to the necessary element of 'intent' that must be proven by the prosecution in all trials.
imprisoning users of a drug much less dangerous to the individual and society than widely accepted drugs like alcohol and cigarettes is a disgusting abuse of office any way you look at it and whether it is a minority sub culture that use thse drugs or not, these individuals are tak paying electors that have a constitutional right to freedom of choice and liberty, not be imprisoned on the basis of their minority status. if the government suddenly enacted a bill to make alcohol illegal again, there is no way on this planet the public would tolerate it, yet it doesn't hesitate to victimize minorities for political power and money.
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"do steroids work?"
yes.
hope this helps.
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ok croatch,
i know i have busted on you alot in this thread, but you seem to want to be directing this topic into a more logical discussion, so i'll put aside my 'getbig' persona for a post and talk to you like i would someone who i'm interacting with in daily life.
i know that you have a bit of a hard-on for some guys who use. you and i both. don't think that i want to be associated with the idiot who throws his dumbells around and screams like an idiot to garner attention. it's those guys who make me embarrassed to do be in the same gym as them. i don't walk around in t-shirts that are 2 times too small for me. i don't go to bars and look for fights cause im gassed up and think i'm some kind of stud who has to prove himself.
but, my question to you is, in all sincerity- who cares? seriously- why do you care who uses or doesn't? i don't care if you choose to be an natural- that's entirely your decision. who cares if there are guys in your gym who have worse bodies than you who are juicing it? it should give you some measure of satisfaction that you are managing to stay clean yet have a physique that you feel is better earned. why all the hate? why can you not just accept that some people choose to use anabolics and some people don't and to each their own?
i'm not saying you're approaching the way you express your feelings on this matter incorrectly, cause who am i to tell you how to think or how to express it? you have your beliefs, i have mine, the next guy has his and so on. nothing is going to change. so why not, instead of berating the fact that some people choose to supplement, just accept that some do and just be happy your clean and feel as good about it as you do?
i think if you were to approach this subject with a little less aggression towards those who use, i think you'd gain some measure of respect from those of us who are serious about what we do instead of seeming like you're that natural guy who just seems disgruntled about being, well, that natural guy. we all put in the same time, the same effort, the same comittment, its just that some of us choose to see how far past the limits of our genetics we can go, whereas you prefer to see how far you can push your natural limits, and props to you for that.
(i'll now go back to that ignorant asshole known as 'no one')
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agreed...but genetics for response to gear is a factor as well.
genetics do play a role. and unfortunatly theres nothing that can be done about that. some guys just dont need much gear. as for genetics....natural or other wise sometimes its not an even game. but all sports are like that.
lucian
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genetics do play a role. and unfortunatly theres nothing that can be done about that. some guys just dont need much gear. as for genetics....natural or other wise sometimes its not an even game. but all sports are like that.
lucian
yes, but the 'i could look like that if i took drugs' comment provides a convenient excuse to those who wish to keep deluding themselves.
i find it much easier in life to call a spade a spade. if a guy's got a good enough physique to win mr 0, he's a champion, end of story. i don't bother trying to decifer what he took or it took to get there and neither do i give a shit.