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(http://www.bbhomepage.com/bodybuilding/data/507/Coleman_-_Cutler_-_Taylor_Back.jpg)
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Which one is Coleman ?
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he honestly doesnt look AS dominant there as legend would have you believe, if you listened to all the hype about the "2003 Ronnie" youd think he was twice Jay's size.
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he honestly doesnt look AS dominant there as legend would have you believe, if you listened to all the hype about the "2003 Ronnie" youd think he was twice Jay's size.
I agree ,plus Jay's arms and back are more detailed than Ronnie's in that pic.
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he honestly doesnt look AS dominant there as legend would have you believe, if you listened to all the hype about the "2003 Ronnie" youd think he was twice Jay's size.
I agree with you 100%
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I agree with you 100%
honestly Jay is edging him there on width.
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I agree ,plus Jay's arms and back are more detailed than Ronnie's in that pic.
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the hype was all hamstrings and glutes honestly, overall Jay may have had the edge on him.
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the hype was all hamstrings and glutes honestly, overall Jay may have had the edge on him.
If you are really Dave, there is one Coleman pic he'd always post that shut everyone down...post it and I'll know you're him.
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Yeah, Ronnie had a beach body
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If you are really Dave, there is one Coleman pic he'd always post that shut everyone down...post it and I'll know you're him.
;)
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(http://www.leepriestnutrition.com.au/images/gallery2/slides/Lee%20&%20Tan%20Man%20Getting%20Intimate.jpg)
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If you are really Dave, there is one Coleman pic he'd always post that shut everyone down...post it and I'll know you're him.
if youre talking about the one of him holding the cell phone up to his ear i dont have it saved anymore but that was a freaky pic, im not saying i dont think Ronnie was great, he was, what im saying is that based on the pics in this thread he wasnt as dominant as legend makes it sound.
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Ronnie who?
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Jay was around 265 and Ronnie was 287. The reason that year was legendary was more because Ronnie came in at 287 when the year prior he was a shitty looking 245...People thought he put on 42 lbs of muscle when in reality the year before he shrivelled up to come in tight and it backfired and he looked shitty...ala 02 Mr. O. In 03 he said fuck it and decided to come in as large as possible because he got raped by Gunther in the Show of Strength.
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If you are really Dave, there is one Coleman pic he'd always post that shut everyone down...post it and I'll know you're him.
Silence you fat black bastard...you're not to talk to Quaker Oats in that tone
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Silence you fat black bastard...you're not to talk to Quaker Oats in that tone
Calm down cable guy.
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if youre talking about the one of him holding the cell phone up to his ear i dont have it saved anymore but that was a freaky pic, im not saying i dont think Ronnie was great, he was, what im saying is that based on the pics in this thread he wasnt as dominant as legend makes it sound.
The real Dave thought Ronnie was untouchable and no, that's not the pic. It was an offseason pic.
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Jay was around 265 and Ronnie was 287. The reason that year was legendary was more because Ronnie came in at 287 when the year prior he was a shitty looking 245...People thought he put on 42 lbs of muscle when in reality the year before he shrivelled up to come in tight and it backfired and he looked shitty...ala 02 Mr. O. In 03 he said fuck it and decided to come in as large as possible because he got raped by Gunther in the Show of Strength.
i agree, i remember thinking how small and flat he was in 02, he walked out and it looked like someone let the air out of him but leading up to that show he was his usual 287-292 in the prior weeks, he looked unreal in 03 but not as much as some would have you believe.
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Jay was around 265 and Ronnie was 287. The reason that year was legendary was more because Ronnie came in at 287 when the year prior he was a shitty looking 245...People thought he put on 42 lbs of muscle when in reality the year before he shrivelled up to come in tight and it backfired and he looked shitty...ala 02 Mr. O. In 03 he said fuck it and decided to come in as large as possible because he got raped by Gunther in the Show of Strength.
Wasn't Ron 296 the next year ?
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The real Dave thought Ronnie was untouchable and no, that's not the pic. It was an offseason pic.
i still believe he was the greatest ever.
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the hype was all hamstrings and glutes honestly, overall Jay may have had the edge on him.
It was close, just maybe not as close as 98 or 2001. Jay was also huge and cut, but everyone kept talking about Ronnie because of all the size he'd put on. His butt must've weighed close to 30 lb, lol.
He was 10 lb heavier in 2004, but Jay was wider and beat him in the RLS pose that he called for in the tiebreaker of the challenge round that year, although the judges gave him the nod, which made him win that Olympia.
And Wiggs is talking about pics from this guestposing, right Wiggs?
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and the biggest change on ronnie size wise was in his legs,he done all this anticipating jay coming back to the olympia stage,as jay was absent in 02 and legs were jays strongpoint.just as jay kept trying to improve his back.
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Silence you fat black bastard...you're not to talk to Quaker Oats in that tone
I'm not fat anymore grandpa and this fucker must prove he's Dave. This is like Dave with his nuts cut off. Though the half-persian warrior and I rarely got along, it's not cool to hack an legends account and pretend to be him...He at least deserves that respect.
Shouldn't you be somewhere renting out your huge chin as a speed bag or a prosthetic nutsack? :D
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Oh my :o
I've just found about 15 pics I have from the nz grand prix.... trying to figure out how to scan them ??? But it's easy to see why so many said it was his best showing.
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Hey, Wiggs, how's it going? :)
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Hey, Wiggs, how's it going? :)
Sup man what's new? I still need to post some cycles from Ruhls book. I'll do it today.
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Hey
DavoodDave
Kun midi?
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Sup man what's new? I still need to post some cycles from Ruhls book. I'll do it today.
Just doin' laundry my man. How's life treatin' ya?
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It was close, just maybe not as close as 98 or 2001. Jay was also huge and cut, but everyone kept talking about Ronnie because of all the size he'd put on. His butt must've weighed close to 30 lb, lol.
He was 10 lb heavier in 2004, but Jay was wider and beat him in the RLS pose that he called for in the tiebreaker of the challenge round that year, although the judges gave him the nod, which made him win that Olympia.
And Wiggs is talking about pics from this guestposing, right Wiggs?
That is correct Kiwi. It was a side chest pose and if my memory serves correct that thong is a vibrant light green....(that would be so gay if I remembered that correctly :-X)
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That is correct Kiwi. It was a side chest pose and if my memory serves correct that thong is a vibrant light green....(that would be so gay if I remembered that correctly :-X)
Hahahaha
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronniecoleman-sidechest.jpg)
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he honestly doesnt look AS dominant there as legend would have you believe, if you listened to all the hype about the "2003 Ronnie" youd think he was twice Jay's size.
please tell me you are joking and not serious, because if you are i would say get your eyes tested as soon as possible that year ronnie wiped the floor with jay.
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Wasn't Ron 296 the next year ?
Yup and soft as fuck
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Just doin' laundry my man. How's life treatin' ya?
I'm finding out that any decent broads won't date you unless you have a job...So I started looking for a job... ;D
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(http://www.leepriestnutrition.com.au/images/gallery2/slides/Lee%20&%20Tan%20Man%20Getting%20Intimate.jpg)
wtf
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Hahahaha
(http://www.ilovespam.com/ronniecoleman-sidechest.jpg)
red x
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red x
I forgot Ron bans pics from Matt Cs site
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Wasn't Ron 296 the next year ?
Yeah, and he looked like shit. I watched the PPV and thought, "What the fuck happened to him?" At the press conference, he said, "Hay dehre, aaym tree-hundret pounts dtoo!," took off his top and made Gunter and Jay look like a couple of jerk-off kids. But the next day, he was watery as all get out.
He did harden up and actually gained weight on the Euro tour, but Ron and pretty much every top guy is best in the 250-260 range. 270, if you're tall. Jay, him, Dorian, Nasser, Dillet, Haney -- it holds true across the board.
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Yup and soft as fuck
Massive unsymmetrical lats that is never talked about
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I forgot Ron bans pics from Matt Cs site
Awwww shit....You can barely see the thong...How do I remember the color so clearly? :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
I need help...this is not good....really.
And yes, that was Dave's favorite Ronnie pic to post.
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That is correct Kiwi. It was a side chest pose and if my memory serves correct that thong is a vibrant light green....(that would be so gay if I remembered that correctly :-X)
That's right. I don't have that pic saved, maybe ND has it.
Edit: Nevermind, Coochrash came through.
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Awwww shit....You can barely see the thong...How do I remember the color so clearly? :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
I need help...this is not good....really.
And yes, that was Dave's favorite Ronnie pic to post.
Hence my laughter ;D ;D
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That's right. I don't have that pic saved, maybe ND has it.
Edit: Nevermind, Coochrash came through.
Haha
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he honestly doesnt look AS dominant there as legend would have you believe, if you listened to all the hype about the "2003 Ronnie" youd think he was twice Jay's size.
noone is gonna be twice Jays size but he clearly wins in that shot
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Calm down cable guy.
Easy there baldie ;)
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its not that ronnie was overrated, its that jay was underrated. probably because of a lack of vascularity and striations on his upper body, as well as lacking lower back detail+some loose skin in the area. and having to stand next to ronnie coleman didnt help either.
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I'm not fat anymore grandpa and this fucker must prove he's Dave. This is like Dave with his nuts cut off. Though the half-persian warrior and I rarely got along, it's not cool to hack an legends account and pretend to be him...He at least deserves that respect.
Shouldn't you be somewhere renting out your huge chin as a speed bag or a prosthetic nutsack? :D
I think he's just chill...but it's him.
and LOL at the chin remark ;D
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ronnie used to go heavy as hell and he never had any major tears or injuries did he? compared to dorian who damn near tore every muscle in his body.
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(http://www.bbhomepage.com/bodybuilding/data/507/Coleman_-_Cutler_-_Taylor_Back.jpg)
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that's not lee priest
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That's one pic
He made everyone look small that year
Watch bfto03
That's all
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That's one pic
He made everyone look small that year
Watch bfto03
That's all
i agree that he was better than everyone that year, my point was that based on that pic and also the other ones in this thread is that he wasnt AS dominant as legend makes it sound.
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I think he was ... That pic doesn't do him full justice ... A lot of better ones out there that tell the true story
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He smoked Jay that year!
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He smoked Jay that year!
Badly......
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQmsYIRaXC-xF9n5qABGdyhweyBL9RfoG8GVpty6S1QiDwo86ac)
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He smoked Jay that year!
i mean look at the arm difference...
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Badly......
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQmsYIRaXC-xF9n5qABGdyhweyBL9RfoG8GVpty6S1QiDwo86ac)
look how much closer Ronnie is to the camera, again i'm not saying Ronnie wasnt better just not as dominant as everyone makes it sound, move jay up a foot or two like Ronnie and the comparison would be a lot closer.
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ronnie used to go heavy as hell and he never had any major tears or injuries did he? compared to dorian who damn near tore every muscle in his body.
ronnie had a lot of severe injuries and neurological damage
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look how much closer Ronnie is to the camera, again i'm not saying Ronnie wasnt better just not as dominant as everyone makes it sound, move jay up a foot or two like Ronnie and the comparison would be a lot closer.
Of course he his , Ronnie looks 5" taller in that comparison and it's not reality
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More from 2003-
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ronnie had a lot of severe injuries and neurological damage
lol, explain?
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Dex looking like an anorexic fitness model.
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(http://www.bbhomepage.com/bodybuilding/data/507/Coleman_-_Cutler_-_Taylor_Back.jpg)
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What's funny is gym rats dwarf normal human beings, Dex dwarfs almost any gym rat, Cutler dwarfs Dexter, yet Ronnie DWARFS even Jay!!!! Ronnie Coleman was not human. Period.
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More from 2003-
Cell pic is from 04
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ronnie used to go heavy as hell and he never had any major tears or injuries did he? compared to dorian who damn near tore every muscle in his body.
idiot, one bicep, one tri and one quad is not damn near every muscle.
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I agree with you 100%
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=444751;image)
LOL ND it must have taken you ages to find this unflattering blury pic, good work!
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=444751;image)
LOL ND it must have taken you ages to find this unflattering blury pic, good work!
if its blurry and unflattering for Ronnie it is for Jay too, it works both ways.
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Oooooo you've zoomed in on that big group panoramic pic, classy. If only everyone appreciated how 282lb off season Dorian under different lighting would probably look on that stage eh? If only Kevin Horton were on this board to explane
his opinion the truth to everyone.
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lol, explain?
According to Brian Dobson, Ronnie's Lat asymmetry was the result of an injury sustained during a heavy set of T bar rows. He saw Ronnie flinch in pain, but his stubbornness never allowed him to admit injury.
He likely caused some nerve damage which led to the lat asymmetry seen in all his pics.
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Oooooo you've zoomed in on that big group panoramic pic, classy. If only everyone appreciated how 282lb off season Dorian under different lighting would probably look on that stage eh? If only Kevin Horton were on this board to explane his opinion the truth to everyone.
the problem with your argument is that its only "unflattering" to one guy according to you, again if the picture is "unflattering" for 1 guy its unflattering for EVERYONE in the shot.
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if its blurry and unflattering for Ronnie it is for Jay too, it works both ways.
The bluryness merely reflects the dirth of good quality pics ND was able to find to prove his point.
Yes I fucked up spelling "explain" lmfao hahahaha, etc
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=444751;image)
LOL ND it must have taken you ages to find this unflattering blury pic, good work!
It was Forcedreps who made that and it took 2 seconds to find it
The reason it's blurry is because it was taken from this one , only to point out the difference between Jay and Ronnie's back wasn't that staggering and the size differential isn't as staggering as a lot of people like to believe
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According to Brian Dobson, Ronnie's Lat asymmetry was the result of an injury sustained during a heavy set of T bar rows. He saw Ronnie flinch in pain, but his stubbornness never allowed him to admit injury.
He likely caused some nerve damage which led to the lat asymmetry seen in all his pics.
You are a retard.
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The bluryness merely reflects the dirth of good quality pics ND was able to find to prove his point.
Yes I fucked up spelling "explain" lmfao hahahaha, etc
See above ;)
Ronnie was huge in 03 but this isn't an true representation of reality
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See above ;)
Ronnie was huge in 03 but this isn't an true representation of reality
funny thing is that even in a pic standing at least 2 feet behind Ronnie jay's quads are at least equaling Ronnie's from the front, if they were next to each other Jays quads would be owning Ronnie's.
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I guess so, I mean in the Dorian/Ronnie comparisons you've posted in the past Dorian at 5' 10 appears taller than Ronnie at 5'11, so really it's me who is cheating ::). Jay is 5'9.
Also funny how Dorian can win the all time best Olympia shape in '95 without standing next to anyone or standing under stage lighting, quite fantastical.
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funny thing is that even in a pic standing at least 2 feet behind Ronnie jay's quads are at least equaling Ronnie's from the front, if they were next to each other Jays quads would be owning Ronnie's.
Maybe so. But neither are as great as Dorian's in b/w in a studio 8 years prior.
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I remember Jay himself saying that he got smoked at the '03 olympia
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I remember Jay himself saying that he got smoked at the '03 olympia
at least thats what they printed in Flex, could have been in the context of a longer interview.
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Yeah I think the full quote was "man I got smoked when you look at those 2 pics, but if you look at that one out of focus pic my total lack of back seperation, shreddedness of glutes, arm or delt detail, chest size blah blah is completely made up for by my awesome quads". :)
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the hype was all hamstrings and glutes honestly, overall Jay may have had the edge on him.
Jay still didn't edge him out in back detail, or conditioning...I've said this before if Jay had Ronnie's back, he would never have lost to Phil...
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I guess so, I mean in the Dorian/Ronnie comparisons you've posted in the past Dorian at 5' 10 appears taller than Ronnie at 5'11, so really it's me who is cheating ::). Jay is 5'9.
Also funny how Dorian can win the all time best Olympia shape in '95 without standing next to anyone or standing under stage lighting, quite fantastical.
What does that have to do with Dorian? we're talking about Jay and Ronnie , why are you trying to divert the subject? because you thought you uncovered something with a blurry pic? ::)
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Maybe so. But neither are as great as Dorian's in b/w in a studio 8 years prior.
Still trying huh?
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=444951;image)
for gods sake they're standing side by side onstage. THIS IS REALITY. IT DOES NOT GET ANY MORE REAL THAN THIS.
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he honestly doesnt look AS dominant there as legend would have you believe, if you listened to all the hype about the "2003 Ronnie" youd think he was twice Jay's size.
Size difference is considerably though. Even more evident when checking out video.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=444951;image)
for gods sake they're standing side by side onstage. THIS IS REALITY. IT DOES NOT GET ANY MORE REAL THAN THIS.
It's actually not this is literally side-by-side with no angle that favor's either.
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It's actually not this is literally side-by-side with no angle that favor's either.
oh that's not reality cause it's too blury ::)
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oh that's not reality cause it's too blury ::)
lol this one's NOT , reality is Ronnie was huge in 03 but he wasn't Paul Bunyan
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lol this one's NOT , reality is Ronnie was huge in 03 but he wasn't Paul Bunyan
actually no
ronnie is slighty off center towards the right. this is not reality.
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actually no
ronnie is slighty off center towards the right. this is not reality.
Hahahahaha ::)
yes this is ' reality ' where Ronnie is 5" taller ::)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=444813;image)
oh look, now he's shorter. and still dwarfing jay.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=444813;image)
oh look, now he's shorter. and still dwarfing jay.
Who said he wasn't bigger than Jay? ??? it's obvious he was just not as much as the ridiculous front double biceps would leave people to believe
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lol @ you guys and here we go...
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I was at the 03 Olympia prejudging sittin 3 seats away from Dorian. He said quote "Goddamn man." when Ronnie walked out. When Lee Priest walked out with those hair extensions Dorian also said quote "His body must think he's a woman with that hair, look at all that water retention." True story.
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I was at the 03 Olympia prejudging sittin 3 seats away from Dorian. He said quote "Goddamn man." when Ronnie walked out. When Lee Priest walked out with those hair extensions Dorian also said quote "His body must think he's a woman with that hair, look at all that water retention." True story.
cue nd meltdown
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ronnie had much bigger quads, jay is wider, ronnie doesnt look as impressive standing relaxed with his slopped shoulders
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2SN7til3Z2U/S8fXeIHMIVI/AAAAAAAACkQ/YWDBNEliSwU/s1600/GROUP-FLX-unk-511.jpg)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=44844&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/14071/0/d/img_38531285528294.jpg)
Phil Heath is 5'9". If Jay is the same height as Phil, then Shawn Ray is truly 5'7". ::) And Dex says he is 5'8" ::)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40934&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
If SR is 5'7" then Kev is 6'0". ::)
Lee is probably shorter than 5'4" which is Prince's height.
Out of all of them, Heath is the one not lying about his height, so he gives a true perspective of how tall the others are.
Phil was a 5'9" 2-star recruit who was a defensive specialist. Obivously, the Univ put 5'11" for oppenents. But he true height is more accurate than the lying bbers.
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Dorian is 5'10.5
Ronnie is 5'10
Jay is 5'8
Phil is 5'9
Dex is 5'6
Shawn is 5'6
Chick is 5'10 ;D
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I remember Jay himself saying that he got smoked at the '03 olympia
I remember jay sayin it on video...
A lot of people here are trying to play devils devils advocate or create a debate ... It wasn't close ronnie DOMINATED 03 and it's quite clear in the pics and the did that I have.....
So please stop it
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Dex and Shawn are both listed at 5'6 I thought?
ND you are not a reliable source, in court you would be discounted as an unreliable witness. Hence all the Dorian references from me. :) You talk garabage, can you imagine what you would say if Hulkster produced a zoomed in blury pic of someone looking small , when every other pic tells a different story? You'd belittle the crap out of him......
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Yup and soft as fuck
His bottom half is fine and he's not even completed the pose in the top half, giving the illusion that he's softer. Next time, try posting a pic when he's fully flexed everywhere and give your opinion. You know better than that...
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Dex and Shawn are both listed at 5'6 I thought?
ND you are not a reliable source, in court you would be discounted as an unreliable witness. Hence all the Dorian references from me. :) You talk garabage, can you imagine what you would say if Hulkster produced a zoomed in blury pic of someone looking small , when every other pic tells a different story? You'd belittle the crap out of him......
This isn't court it's Getbig ;) and I produced the same pic NOT blurry and it showed the same thing , you have your excuses stick to em.
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His bottom half is fine and he's not even completed the pose in the top half, giving the illusion that he's softer. Next time, try posting a pic when he's fully flexed everywhere and give your opinion. You know better than that...
Are you seriously attempting to claim Ronnie wasn't soft in 04? and BTW he was fully flexed in that pic , I know I've watched the video
here is Ronnie 98 compared 03 both fully flexed and he's softer in 03 than 98 the difference is blatant and the discrepancy is even more so in 04
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yep, nowhere near as deeply defined, he looked glossy and smooth in 03
Are you seriously attempting to claim Ronnie wasn't soft in 04? and BTW he was fully flexed in that pic , I know I've watched the video
here is Ronnie 98 compared 03 both fully flexed and he's softer in 03 than 98 the difference is blatant and the discrepancy is even more so in 04
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This pic is interesting, I know the left Ronnie is more shredded but which Ronnie would win this pose?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=444996;image)
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This pic is interesting, I know the left Ronnie is more shredded but which Ronnie would win this pose?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=444996;image)
looks better by a mile in the first pic from 98.
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This pic is interesting, I know the left Ronnie is more shredded but which Ronnie would win this pose?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=444996;image)
left pic had more flattering lighting
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This pic is interesting, I know the left Ronnie is more shredded but which Ronnie would win this pose?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=444996;image)
According to the criteria 1998 , drier , harder , and more detailed , and he has better balance & proportion , in 03 all of his strong points were amplified , his quads blew up making his calves look even smaller , his gut was insane , etc
Ronnie has said many times 98 was his best Olympia showing because he was spot-on
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Yeah but in real life who would win?
Bob Paris never won the Olympia, Munzer never won the Olympia, neither came particularly close despite their amazing shape and conditioning. Markus Ruhl came closer than either in their respective careers. So..... application of the criteria is clearly a subjective thing.
Dex has generally always been harder and drier etc than Ronnie..... but if you are a lot thicker in every muscle group plus still have the most shredded glutes and hams on stage then what choice do the judges have?
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Yeah but in real life who would win?
Bob Paris never won the Olympia, Munzer never won the Olympia, neither came particularly close despite their amazing shape and conditioning. Markus Ruhl came closer than either in their respective careers. So..... application of the criteria is clearly a subjective thing.
Dex has generally always been harder and drier etc than Ronnie..... but if you are a lot thicker in every muscle group plus still have the most shredded glutes and hams on stage then what choice do the judges have?
Ronnie 1998 would win in ' real life '
We're comparing Ronnie to Ronnie not anyone else. 1998/2001 are considered his all-time best because he was spot-on condition-wise
stop confusing ' thicker ' with better Ronnie 03 was a deserving winner but he was eons better lighter
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I was at the 03 Olympia prejudging sittin 3 seats away from Dorian. He said quote "Goddamn man." when Ronnie walked out. When Lee Priest walked out with those hair extensions Dorian also said quote "His body must think he's a woman with that hair, look at all that water retention." True story.
see but that's just a memory of yours and not reality. also dorian is not a judge and therefore knows nothing about bodybuilding.
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Look at 98 compared to 04 the difference in quality , detail and conditioning is staggering
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Look at 98 compared to 04 the difference in quality , detail and conditioning is staggering
there is clearly a "muscletime" logo in the top right corner. In real life that would not be there so this is not a good representation of reality.
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see but that's just a memory of yours and not reality. also dorian is not a judge and therefore knows nothing about bodybuilding.
Dorian has always been complementary towards Ronnie , said he was only one of the few guys who really impressed him after he retired.
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there is clearly a "muscletime" logo in the top right corner. In real life that would not be there so this is not a good representation of reality.
This is reality ;)
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This is reality ;)
different lighting, different time, not on stage together at the same time standing the same distance apart. and you're not a judge.
WAIT are you saying you can clearly see that ronnie is bigger in the color picture despite the fact that it is not "reality"?
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Ronnie 1998 would win in ' real life '
We're comparing Ronnie to Ronnie not anyone else. 1998/2001 are considered his all-time best because he was spot-on condition-wise
stop confusing ' thicker ' with better Ronnie 03 was a deserving winner but he was eons better lighter
I'm not disputing which is better, rather which would win a modern day Olympia. Everyone knows Jay is a fridge and Dexter had a better back and was more shredded for years, but only meant anything on the one occasion, because Jay was so much bigger.
As Jay said after 2003, it is bodyBUILDING after all. Thickness is pretty important you know. And you also underestimate the importance of shredded glutesand hams.
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different lighting, different time, not on stage together at the same time standing the same distance apart. and you're not a judge.
WAIT are you saying you can clearly see that ronnie is bigger in the color picture despite the fact that it is not "reality"?
This is NOT reality , this is laughable , this appeals to fanboys like yourself who think this would be reality
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Dorian has always been complementary towards Ronnie , said he was only one of the few guys who really impressed him after he retired.
Indeed. He even went as far as saying Ronnie would probably win if they competed at the their respective bests. Of course you were in his brain at the time and also wrote the article so you know what he really meant and that the context was imperceptably totally different to how it came across.
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I'm not disputing which is better, rather which would win a modern day Olympia. Everyone knows Jay is a fridge and Dexter had a better back and was more shredded for years, but only meant anything on the one occasion, because Jay was so much bigger.
As Jay said after 2003, it is bodyBUILDING after all. Thickness is pretty important you know. And you also underestimate the importance of shredded glutesand hams.
You're putting WAY , WAY to much emphasis on shredded glutes and hams. It all depends on who you're competing with , I think either version of Ronnie (98/03) would beat Heath
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Indeed. He even went as far as saying Ronnie would probably win if they competed at the their respective bests. Of course you were in his brain at the time and also wrote the article so you know what he really meant and that the context was imperceptably totally different to how it came across.
He also said he didn't know and it was a very hard question to answer. We also know Ronnie said Dorian would beat him at least 3 times ;)
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Look at 98 compared to 04 the difference in quality , detail and conditioning is staggering
Looks like shit, honestly in 04 he doesnt even look that much bigger than 98, except in the quads, stomach, delts, but the loss of conditioning and the gut is NOT worth the added thigh and delt size.
I cant believe I actually thought Ronnie looked good in 04 when I first started following bodybuilding.
98 = teh win.
04 = needs to commit suicide.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=445067;image)
Ronnie's head appears smaller, his feet are slightly higher than Dorian's if anything it's a tad biased towards Dorian scale-wise, who is getting killed there.
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His bottom half is fine and he's not even completed the pose in the top half, giving the illusion that he's softer. Next time, try posting a pic when he's fully flexed everywhere and give your opinion. You know better than that...
Dude, quit being blind, he looks like utter garbage in 04, hes soft everywhere, terribad balance... just huge and soft.
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This is reality ;)
wow, his physique is absolutely perfect in the first picture. he should have never touched insulin
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=445067;image)
Ronnie's head appears smaller, his feet are slightly higher than Dorian's if anything it's a tad biased towards Dorian scale-wise, who is getting killed there.
You really think a pic where Ronnies calves appear the same size or bigger as Dorians is biased towards Dorians favor?
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He also said he didn't know and it was a very hard question to answer. We also know Ronnie said Dorian would beat him at least 3 times ;)
Fail.
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Looks like shit, honestly in 04 he doesnt even look that much bigger than 98, except in the quads, stomach, delts, but the loss of conditioning and the gut is NOT worth the added thigh and delt size.
I cant believe I actually thought Ronnie looked good in 04 when I first started following bodybuilding.
98 = teh win.
04 = needs to commit suicide.
It's night & day between the two :-\
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Fail.
Of course because Ronnie says it ;)
Ronnie feared Dorian for a very good reason , Jay? he scoffed at the idea that Jay could even be mentioned in the same sentence as him , said he would need to be reborn with better genetics ;D never said that about Dorian ;)
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You really think a pic where Ronnies calves appear the same size or bigger as Dorians is biased towards Dorians favor?
???
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Yes he was soft as shit in 04, too much water,and back had started to show signs of asymmetrical shrinkage already despite massive size. Hasn't got much to dowith anything mind thee.
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Of course because Ronnie says it ;)
Ronnie feared Dorian for a very good reason , Jay? he scoffed at the idea that Jay could even be mentioned in the same sentence as him , said he would need to be reborn with better genetics ;D never said that about Dorian ;)
Fail.
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You really think a pic where Ronnies calves appear the same size or bigger as Dorians is biased towards Dorians favor?
Well the height and waist - despite Ronnie's grossly developed glutes - are actually pretty identical. And Ronnie is an inch taller in real life. :)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404057.0;attach=445067;image)
Ronnie's head appears smaller, his feet are slightly higher than Dorian's if anything it's a tad biased towards Dorian scale-wise, who is getting killed there.
LMMFAO
This abortion of a comparison is the most laughable fan-boy creation ever made.
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Well the height and waist - despite Ronnie's grossly developed glutes - are actually pretty identical. And Ronnie is an inch taller in real life. :)
Pretty sure Dorians waist was wider (even in 03), and his calves were MUCH larger, so you can instantly tell that comparison is fucked.
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Hyperbole does not aid your complete non-analysis.
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Well the height and waist - despite Ronnie's grossly developed glutes - are actually pretty identical. And Ronnie is an inch taller in real life. :)
Ronnie is a 1/2 taller ;)
Dorian's waist & hips will NEVER be narrow like Ronnies and Ronnie's calves are NOT comparable to Dorian in size NO WAY no how
This comparison is laughable and anyone who thinks this would be the reality of the situation is being willfully blind
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Fail.
Awwwwww is this what you're reduced to?
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Pretty sure Dorians waist was wider (even in 03), and his calves were MUCH larger, so you can instantly tell that comparison is fucked.
His calves in 03 are somehow bigger than Dorians LAMMFAO
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Ronnie's feet do look kinda bigger than Dorian's but the head size and overall height are so similar. How much % do you think it would have to be altered for Dorian to start visibly winning?
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Ronnie's feet do look kinda bigger than Dorian's but the head size and overall height are so similar. How much % do you think it would have to be altered for Dorian to start visibly winning?
This is reality , this is the two standing side-by-side , now you can say Ronnie is not his best but neither is Dorian but Ronnie is 250lbs and Dorian is around 255lbs and you can see despite this Dorian looks bigger even Dorian's quads ( which were down this year ) look comparable in size
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Ronnie's feet do look kinda bigger than Dorian's but the head size and overall height are so similar. How much % do you think it would have to be altered for Dorian to start visibly winning?
Has nothing to do with who would win, Its that you can tell that image is so jacked up its not even funny.
Dorians calves are HUGE compared to Ronnies, even in 03, and his waist is wider, even in 03. So that comparison IMHO is pointless, probably taken from 2 different angles. The head size isnt comparable either, as Dorian tends to lean back when he does his rear poses, and Ronnie does not lean back (his head is usually hunched forward.)
Just a terrible comparison all over.
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Ronnie was huge, make no mistake, but his joints and frame make him look bigger than he is, especially when standing alone.
So when someone tries to shop 2 pics together, naturally the eye is going to compare muscle size using such measuing sticks as the waist and shoulder width, which is NOT accurate, as Dorians frame is much, much larger than Ronnies. Any comparison where Ronnies waist is comparable to Dorians is obviously scaled way wrong. Any comparison where Ronnies calves compare to Dorians is laughable, at best.
Comparing 2 pics of the 2 of them is futile IMHO, too many variables (angle, distance from stage, position of body, the way they lean, etc) and you can never get a good idea of how the 2 look standing side by side.
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Has nothing to do with who would win, Its that you can tell that image is so jacked up its not even funny.
Dorians calves are HUGE compared to Ronnies, even in 03, and his waist is wider, even in 03. So that comparison IMHO is pointless, probably taken from 2 different angles. The head size isnt comparable either, as Dorian tends to lean back when he does his rear poses, and Ronnie does not lean back (his head is usually hunched forward.)
Just a terrible comparison all over.
Dorian's hips & waist are noticeably smaller than Ronnies which would never be the case, Ronnie's limbs are much longer , Ronnie's calves are much bigger , this I believe was made by Neo lol which explains everything , these people look at pics of Ronnie from 03 where he APPEARS to making Jay look petite and this somehow translates to Dorian :-\
top two is fantasy , bottom is reality
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Ronnie was huge, make no mistake, but his joints and frame make him look bigger than he is, especially when standing alone.
So when someone tries to shop 2 pics together, naturally the eye is going to compare muscle size using such measuing sticks as the waist and shoulder width, which is NOT accurate, as Dorians frame is much, much larger than Ronnies. Any comparison where Ronnies waist is comparable to Dorians is obviously scaled way wrong. Any comparison where Ronnies calves compare to Dorians is laughable, at best.
Comparing 2 pics of the 2 of them is futile IMHO, too many variables (angle, distance from stage, position of body, the way they lean, etc) and you can never get a good idea of how the 2 look standing side by side.
Reality ;D
Ronnie's not even close
someone made this side-by-side because they bitched Ronnie wasn't flexed yet , good point but it doesn't change anything , Dorian's wider too ;D
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His calves in 03 are somehow bigger than Dorians LAMMFAO
It is pretty amazing how different Ronnie, or anyone, can look just hours apart. I think he killed it at prejudging, and by the final posedown had got watery, couldn't keep his gut in etc. I mean Kevin looks better in that pic but he came what 6th that year? This is why the few minutes onstage for prejudging and comparisons are so important. If Ronnie sucks it in for the judges what can they do? How many kitchen Mr Olympas do we see on here? Only when you square up side by side under stage lights can the truth be seen. Kitchen lights, gym lights, backstage ect don't mean anything as the judges can't see it to judge it, and stage lights require a certain type of condition or they wash out all the colour and detail.
Whether you like it or not Ronnie won in 03 and even 04, so clearly the judges rated his big watery ass, even in 04 over guys like Dexter, but more to the point in 03, and it is in their eyes I have always suggested he would be judged victor in the "all time" O stakes. When you quote the judging criteria, one would believe Dexter, Victor or Shawn Ray or whoever should have won various years...but they didn't, how do you reconcile yourself with this contradiction? You must find yourself shouting the rules at the screen when you remember Ronnie beat Flex, Jay beat Dexter, Ruhl beat Darrem Charles etc. So many examples of the rules being primary guided by size and conditioning - with these days more and more especially means glute/ham conditioning, whether I agree with it or not.
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Reality ;D
Ronnie's not even close
someone made this side-by-side because they bitched Ronnie wasn't flexed yet , good point but it doesn't change anything , Dorian's wider too ;D
Thats a good way to compare their frames.
Thats probably the most accurate comparison of the 2 anyone is ever going to see, even though its from 96.
Ronnie didnt really go up a lot in weight between 96-98, he stayed about the same weight but his conditioning improved dramatically (read: added muscle, lost fat, so weight stayed the same for those who are going to try and bitch how Ron in 98 looked nothing like 96 ::) )
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It is pretty amazing how different Ronnie, or anyone, can look just hours apart. I think he killed it at prejudging, and by the final posedown had got watery, couldn't keep his gut in etc. I mean Kevin looks better in that pic but he came what 6th that year? This is why the few minutes onstage for prejudging and comparisons are so important. If Ronnie sucks it in for the judges what can they do? How many kitchen Mr Olympas do we see on here? Only when you square up side by side under stage lights can the truth be seen. Kitchen lights, gym lights, backstage ect don't mean anything as the judges can't see it to judge it, and stage lights require a certain type of condition or they wash out all the colour and detail.
Whether you like it or not Ronnie won in 03 and even 04, so clearly the judges rated his big watery ass, even in 04 over guys like Dexter, but more to the point in 03, and it is in their eyes I have always suggested he would be judged victor in the "all time" O stakes. When you quote the judging criteria, one would believe Dexter, Victor or Shawn Ray or whoever should have won various years...but they didn't, how do you reconcile yourself with this contradiction? You must find yourself shouting the rules at the screen when you remember Ronnie beat Flex, Jay beat Dexter, Ruhl beat Darrem Charles etc. So many examples of the rules being primary guided by size and conditioning - with these days more and more especially means glute/ham conditioning, whether I agree with it or not.
Of course, Ronnie' muscular bulk was waaayyy to much for any of the other competitors, but when size is close, conditioning is what wins shows.
Thats why Ronnie won in 03-04.
Criteria is -
Size
Conditioning
Balance
Since Ronnie was so much larger than all the others, it wasnt even a contest.
If someone was close in size, conditioning will win/lose them the contest.
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Has anyone ever seen the Ronnie pre-contest photos that Tom Prince drooled over? I always wondered why there was such secrecy about them.
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Ronnie was huge, make no mistake, but his joints and frame make him look bigger than he is, especially when standing alone.
So when someone tries to shop 2 pics together, naturally the eye is going to compare muscle size using such measuing sticks as the waist and shoulder width, which is NOT accurate, as Dorians frame is much, much larger than Ronnies. Any comparison where Ronnies waist is comparable to Dorians is obviously scaled way wrong. Any comparison where Ronnies calves compare to Dorians is laughable, at best.
Comparing 2 pics of the 2 of them is futile IMHO, too many variables (angle, distance from stage, position of body, the way they lean, etc) and you can never get a good idea of how the 2 look standing side by side.
You pretty much say here that any comparison where Ronnie comes close in calves is not admissable as you KNOW he would get killed. You have made up your mind.
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You pretty much say here that any comparison where Ronnie comes close in calves is not admissable as you KNOW he would get killed. You have made up your mind.
No, I said that any comparison where Ronnie's calves are close in size is laughable.
That has nothing to do with winning, youre trying to insinuate that he's calves being larger means I think he would win, which is a huge, huge stretch of logic.
Honestly I think 03 Ronnie would probably beat Dorian with 03 judges, at that point conditioning was a non-issue and size-on-frame (key IMO, many were larger than Ron or Dorian, but they didnt care as much muscle for the frame) was all they cared about.
So dont try and make jumps of logic because you dont agree with the things Im saying, lol.
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No, I said that any comparison where Ronnie's calves are close in size is laughable.
That has nothing to do with winning, youre trying to insinuate that he's calves being larger means I think he would win, which is a huge, huge stretch of logic.
Honestly I think 03 Ronnie would probably beat Dorian with 03 judges, at that point conditioning was a non-issue and size-on-frame (key IMO, many were larger than Ron or Dorian, but they didnt care as much muscle for the frame) was all they cared about.
So dont try and make jumps of logic because you dont agree with the things Im saying, lol.
Okay well we sort of agree then, I don't think 03 judges would give Frank Zane great marks for instance up against Dennis James or whatever even though he's more complete in many ways. But, Ronnie was the most shredded from the back in 03 so conditioning was hardly a non-issue, ask Lee Priest that year.
Ronnie got some big but poorly shaped calves that year, he had crazy overall thickness so it seems unfair/biased as fuck to disregard any pics where you think Ronnie's calves look remotely comparible?!
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Okay well we sort of agree then, I don't think 03 judges would give Frank Zane great marks for instance up against Dennis James or whatever even though he's more complete in many ways. But, Ronnie was the most shredded from the back in 03 so conditioning was hardly a non-issue, ask Lee Priest that year.
Ronnie got some big but poorly shaped calves that year, he had crazy overall thickness so it seems unfair/biased as fuck to disregard any pics where you think Ronnie's calves look remotely comparible?!
No, because his calves were not big that year, look at the pic backstage next to Levrone.
Look, there is no way to try and spin it to make that other comparison valid, its not, flat out.
And its not unfail/unbiased to disregard it, when you can clearly see with a little deductive logic that its not a valid comparison. Ronnie's calves were never "big but poorly shaped", they were always small/average sized.
I cant figure out why youre still arguing this, I would have admitted I was wrong long ago and moved on. Lol.
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It is pretty amazing how different Ronnie, or anyone, can look just hours apart. I think he killed it at prejudging, and by the final posedown had got watery, couldn't keep his gut in etc. I mean Kevin looks better in that pic but he came what 6th that year? This is why the few minutes onstage for prejudging and comparisons are so important. If Ronnie sucks it in for the judges what can they do? How many kitchen Mr Olympas do we see on here? Only when you square up side by side under stage lights can the truth be seen. Kitchen lights, gym lights, backstage ect don't mean anything as the judges can't see it to judge it, and stage lights require a certain type of condition or they wash out all the colour and detail.
Whether you like it or not Ronnie won in 03 and even 04, so clearly the judges rated his big watery ass, even in 04 over guys like Dexter, but more to the point in 03, and it is in their eyes I have always suggested he would be judged victor in the "all time" O stakes. When you quote the judging criteria, one would believe Dexter, Victor or Shawn Ray or whoever should have won various years...but they didn't, how do you reconcile yourself with this contradiction? You must find yourself shouting the rules at the screen when you remember Ronnie beat Flex, Jay beat Dexter, Ruhl beat Darrem Charles etc. So many examples of the rules being primary guided by size and conditioning - with these days more and more especially means glute/ham conditioning, whether I agree with it or not.
It is pretty amazing how different Ronnie, or anyone, can look just hours apart. I think he killed it at prejudging, and by the final posedown had got watery, couldn't keep his gut in etc. I mean Kevin looks better in that pic but he came what 6th that year? This is why the few minutes onstage for prejudging and comparisons are so important. If Ronnie sucks it in for the judges what can they do? How many kitchen Mr Olympas do we see on here? Only when you square up side by side under stage lights can the truth be seen. Kitchen lights, gym lights, backstage ect don't mean anything as the judges can't see it to judge it, and stage lights require a certain type of condition or they wash out all the colour and detail.
I had no problem with Ronnie winning in 03 , I think he destroyed the field but when it comes to 98 he was lacking. And the pic with Kevin was to show his calves or lack there of and how in the comparison that Neo made with Dorian they are somehow MUCH bigger which isn't reality at all
Whether you like it or not Ronnie won in 03 and even 04, so clearly the judges rated his big watery ass, even in 04 over guys like Dexter, but more to the point in 03, and it is in their eyes I have always suggested he would be judged victor in the "all time" O stakes. When you quote the judging criteria, one would believe Dexter, Victor or Shawn Ray or whoever should have won various years...but they didn't, how do you reconcile yourself with this contradiction? You must find yourself shouting the rules at the screen when you remember Ronnie beat Flex, Jay beat Dexter, Ruhl beat Darrem Charles etc. So many examples of the rules being primary guided by size and conditioning - with these days more and more especially means glute/ham conditioning, whether I agree with it or not.
I have no problem with 03/04 Ronnie was the winner , just compared his best he sucked. And the criteria is the criteria you can dismiss some of it or part of it to make your case but it's still who meets all of it better is the winner. I don't think Dex , Victor or Shawn should have won , I had no problem with Ronnie beating Flex even though Flex is one of my favorites , size and conditioning are important so is the other criteria , it's all contingent on who you're being compared to.
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You pretty much say here that any comparison where Ronnie comes close in calves is not admissable as you KNOW he would get killed. You have made up your mind.
And so he should have his mind made up , because there is NO comparison in calves , they weren't close at anytime and never would be even when Ronnie was heavier.
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You effectively want me to admit all on-stage pre-judging pics from that year of Ronnie where his calves are flexed and seen from the back are doctored in his favour to make his calves look half decent?
Clearly they look whack in that levrone pic, he also looks watery and bloated as fuck, but there are many rounds, they pump up what 4 times throughout the contest, take god knows what shit in between rounds, in 2002 Ronnie's arms went from huge to tiny in a couple of days. If I find one pick of Dorian looking a certain way does it prove every other pic is fake?!?!?!
The Ronnie pic from that comparison, regardless of scale, is generally accepted to be one of many very impressive screencaps from prejudging that year.
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And so he should have his mind made up , because there is NO comparison in calves , they weren't close at anytime and never would be even when Ronnie was heavier.
Whilst I wouldn't argue different necessarily, Dorian's calves were generally a shitload better, it doesn't mean impressive Ronnie pics have to be fake. I'm having a hard time discounting pictures in favour of you guys' prejudiced typed form of counter evidence.
Dorian still has better calves in the comparison in fullness and shape etc, but Ronnie's were better than normal that year,is all I'm saying.
Pics from 97 you have to bear in mind Ronnie leapfrogged like 7 other guys from 97 so arguing he was basically the same in 96 , 97 seems somewhat detached in basis.
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You effectively want me to admit all on-stage pre-judging pics from that year of Ronnie where his calves are flexed and seen from the back are doctored in his favour to make his calves look half decent?
Clearly they look whack in that levrone pic, he also looks watery and bloated as fuck, but there are many rounds, they pump up what 4 times throughout the contest, take god knows what shit in between rounds, in 2002 Ronnie's arms went from huge to tiny in a couple of days. If I find one pick of Dorian looking a certain way does it prove every other pic is fake?!?!?!
The Ronnie pic from that comparison, regardless of scale, is generally accepted to be one of many very impressive screencaps from prejudging that year.
You effectively want me to admit all on-stage pre-judging pics from that year of Ronnie where his calves are flexed and seen from the back are doctored in his favour to make his calves look half decent?
Has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates because he wasn't on-stage side-by-side against a career best Dorian Yates in 2003
Clearly they look whack in that levrone pic, he also looks watery and bloated as fuck, but there are many rounds, they pump up what 4 times throughout the contest, take god knows what shit in between rounds, in 2002 Ronnie's arms went from huge to tiny in a couple of days. If I find one pick of Dorian looking a certain way does it prove every other pic is fake?!?!?!
Who said anything was fake? you're arguing against a point no one has made. Ronnie's calves even in 2003 will not be anywhere near as big as Dorians even though he's much heavier , nevermind in the comparison where they are clearly bigger
The Ronnie pic from that comparison, regardless of scale, is generally accepted to be one of many very impressive screencaps from prejudging that year.
Arguing another point no one made , I agree 100% Ronnie is impressive as fucking hell in that back double biceps pic from 2003 , the size difference is what I find laughable the scale is way off and in reality it wouldn't be anything close to that scale
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No one said Ronnies pics were fake.
The comparison where Ronnie and Dorian are standing next to each other are not accurate, not because the Ronnie pic is doctored, but because the angles, distance from stage, way they were standing, hell EVERYTHING is different.
You can tell this, because Dorians calves were ALWAYS much, much larger than Ronnies, even in 03. You can see this, by comparing Ronnie's waist and calves to others that Dorian has stood next to.
Therefore, that comparison is not valid, because it has Ronnie's waist and his calves appearing to be the same size or larger than Dorians, which they NEVER, EVER, were.
I dont understand why youre still arguing, is it that hard to admit that you were wrong and that comparison is not scaled anywhere near correct? lol.
And I dont understand where this doctored/fake business comes from, no one has said anything is fake besides those caps Hulkster used to use all the time. Lol.
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Has absolutely NOTHING to do with Dorian Yates because he wasn't on-stage side-by-side against a career best Dorian Yates in 2003
Who said anything was fake? you're arguing against a point no one has made. Ronnie's calves even in 2003 will not be anywhere near as big as Dorians even though he's much heavier , nevermind in the comparison where they are clearly bigger
Arguing another point no one made , I agree 100% Ronnie is impressive as fucking hell in that back double biceps pic from 2003 , the size difference is what I find laughable the scale is way off and in reality it wouldn't be anything close to that scale
Read all of shockwaves posts properly and it will make more sense what I am arguing against.
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Read all of shockwaves posts properly and it will make more sense what I am arguing against.
I never said any of Ronnie's pics were worked or fake. Im confused.
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No one said Ronnies pics were fake.
The comparison where Ronnie and Dorian are standing next to each other are not accurate, not because the Ronnie pic is doctored, but because the angles, distance from stage, way they were standing, hell EVERYTHING is different.
You can tell this, because Dorians calves were ALWAYS much, much larger than Ronnies, even in 03. You can see this, by comparing Ronnie's waist and calves to others that Dorian has stood next to.
Therefore, that comparison is not valid, because it has Ronnie's waist and his calves appearing to be the same size or larger than Dorians, which they NEVER, EVER, were.
I dont understand why youre still arguing, is it that hard to admit that you were wrong and that comparison is not scaled anywhere near correct? lol.
And I dont understand where this doctored/fake business comes from, no one has said anything is fake besides those caps Hulkster used to use all the time. Lol.
I look at height, head size, waist size, non-muscular unbiased means of determining scale. You guys look at calf size and if Ronnie is holding a candle to Dorian in that department it must be fake/biased unfair whatever, hahaha enjoy the rest of this thread.
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Whilst I wouldn't argue different necessarily, Dorian's calves were generally a shitload better, it doesn't mean impressive Ronnie pics have to be fake. I'm having a hard time discounting pictures in favour of you guys' prejudiced typed form of counter evidence.
Dorian still has better calves in the comparison in fullness and shape etc, but Ronnie's were better than normal that year,is all I'm saying.
Pics from 97 you have to bear in mind Ronnie leapfrogged like 7 other guys from 97 so arguing he was basically the same in 96 , 97 seems somewhat detached in basis.
Not sure what you're saying here , but Ronnie was better conditioned in 1996 hence why his Olympia placing was better than 97 , ironically he was lighter , see a pattern here? better conditioned , lighter and more detailed = better contest placing ( again contingent on who you're competing with )
Ronnie's placing in 1997 9th at the Olympia , to winner next year why? a couple of reasons , Dorian wasn't competing , Nasser was off as well as Flex and he finally nailed his conditioning perfectly , and was slightly lighter than 1996 and noticeably lighter than 1997
Whilst I wouldn't argue different necessarily, Dorian's calves were generally a shitload better, it doesn't mean impressive Ronnie pics have to be fake. I'm having a hard time discounting pictures in favour of you guys' prejudiced typed form of counter evidence.
Who is saying they are fake? they're just not scaled accurately , if they were his calves would NOT be as big ( nevermind anywhere near as good ) or bigger , they wouldn't even be close in size.
Dorian still has better calves in the comparison in fullness and shape etc, but Ronnie's were better than normal that year,is all I'm saying.
Ronnei's weren't better than normal , his calves never improved , they may have been bigger than lets say 1998 but that has nothing to do with Dorian Yates
Pics from 97 you have to bear in mind Ronnie leapfrogged like 7 other guys from 97 so arguing he was basically the same in 96 , 97 seems somewhat detached in basis.
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I look at height, head size, waist size, non-muscular unbiased means of determining scale. You guys look at calf size and if Ronnie is holding a candle to Dorian in that department it must be fake/biased unfair whatever, hahaha enjoy the rest of this thread.
No, I look at things I KNOW I can compare.
Head size you cant, because they (camera) can be at different angles, not to mention holding there heads differently. Period.
You clearly dont use waist size, because I use waist size, as Dorians waist should NEVER be as small as Ronnie's, and if it is, its obviously not scaled right.
Height cant be used, again, angle of camera, way theyre leaning, etc all makes height iffy at best.
You have to use things you know you can compare. Waist is the best in this case, and the calves are the nail in the coffin for that comparison.
Youre starting to sound like a butthurt pouting child, all because Im pointing out that one comparison is bogus? Why cant you accept youre wrong and move on?
I never said that pic of Ronnie used to compare to Dorian isnt impressive, it is, its just not scaled accuratley, quit acting like a little bitch cause youre trying to defend that comparison, no one attacked Ronnie, youre just acting like a spoiled brat who's arguing why your toy is better than his.
Jesus christ.
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No, I look at things I KNOW I can compare.
Head size you cant, because they can be at different angles, holding there heads differently. Period.
You clearly dont use waist size, because I use waist size, as Dorians waist should NEVER be as small as Ronnie's, and if it is, its obviously not scaled right.
Height cant be used, again, angle of camera, way theyre leaning, etc all makes height iffy at best.
Youre starting to sound like a butthurt pouting child, all because Im pointing out that one comparison is bogus? Why cant you accept youre wrong and move on?
Jesus christ.
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You make a ton of valid points sir.
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Are you seriously attempting to claim Ronnie wasn't soft in 04? and BTW he was fully flexed in that pic , I know I've watched the video
here is Ronnie 98 compared 03 both fully flexed and he's softer in 03 than 98 the difference is blatant and the discrepancy is even more so in 04
Just on his back alone, he looks softer than '98 and less muscular than '03 but it's close. It's like he lost muscle in his middle back in '04 compared to the previous year or it's just hard to see it clearly in that shot. Fair point, though.
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This is NOT reality , this is laughable , this appeals to fanboys like yourself who think this would be reality
oh, but the other one is? ::)
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Here are better pics showing Ronnie to be a lot bigger than Jay. These pics are from a better angle.
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Ronnie still bigger.
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And still bigger
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Reality ;D
Ronnie's not even close
someone made this side-by-side because they bitched Ronnie wasn't flexed yet , good point but it doesn't change anything , Dorian's wider too ;D
not even close? Lol
Ronnie is blowing yates,away in chest, look at the thickness, look at his arms, the striations, he even has bigger better quads, and this is 96 coleman... Yates has calves and a birdys chest
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Here are better pics showing Ronnie to be a lot bigger than Jay. These pics are from a better angle.
ronnie is clearly better in those shots which for some reason means it's not reality.
hold on let me find a blury screen cap to better represent reality. if I can't I'll just play semantics
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not even close? Lol
Ronnie is blowing yates,away in chest, look at the thickness, look at his arms, the striations, he even has bigger better quads, and this is 96 coleman... Yates has calves and a birdys chest
Yes exactly why Ronnie won this contest and Dorian was 6th :D....................... ..hey wait ;)
not even close kid
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ronnie is clearly better in those shots which for some reason means it's not reality.
hold on let me find a blury screen cap to better represent reality. if I can't I'll just play semantics
I love how you respond to quotes people never made and argue points no one made. Who said Ronnie wasn't clearly better? or even bigger?
This my friend is not reality , was Ronnie bigger? absolutely , was Ronnie dwarfing Jay like he was in this picture? NO Jay is 2" shorter yet he appears much shorter and smaller
and is this screencap blurry? yeah I thought so ;)
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made jay look like a kid.....
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Here are better pics showing Ronnie to be a lot bigger than Jay. These pics are from a better angle.
honestly except for in the rear lat spread i think they pretty comparable in sheer size in every other picture.
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made jay look like a kid.....
no he didnt, was he better and somewhat bigger? yes, but nowhere near what people make it sound.
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Mes, do you HONESTLY think Ronnie is making Jay "look like a child" here?
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Mes, do you HONESTLY think Ronnie is making Jay "look like a child" here?
major difference is the vascularity and the quads
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Mes, do you HONESTLY think Ronnie is making Jay "look like a child" here?
based on ALL the video footage and pictures yes 100%
jay partially admitted it on the film.... not that it matters
but overall seeing all the footage yes yes and yes
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based on ALL the video footage and pictures yes 100%
jay partially admitted it on the film.... not that it matters
but overall seeing all the footage yes yes and yes
what do you say based on that picture?
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what do you say based on that picture?
i wouldn't make an overall statement based on just one picture.... even if the picture im looking at favors my opinion